Gyno

[GetBig10]

would puffy nipples acount as gyno?..because i have puffy nipples and ive alwasy thought i had gyno becasue itd never go away...but i dont have much of a lower chest just upper is mainly built...for some raeson my lower chest dosnt get much of a workout ever...

what should i use for gyno?
i have letro and nolvadex comin in on monday?

 

[nydj66]

letro and nolva is exactly what you want for gyno. But if you've had it for years, odds are it will not go away without surgery...still letro is worth a try. It's a lot cheaper than surgery.

Also, try bar dips and decline bench for your lower pecs.

 

[GetBig10]

what dosages should i be taking both at ? should i take both or try 1 first?

 

[nydj66]

0.25-0.5 mg/day of letro and 20-40mg/day of nolvadex. I'd run them both together.

 

[GetBig10]

i have 45 mg 1 tab for nolva?

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Puffy nipples could also mean fatty tissue buildup.. Nolva, letro cant get rid of that, only liposuction can.

 

[newbiebynature]

im glad this thread came along seeing as how i didnt want to make my own thread and look stupid...sorry for hijacking but ive had a tad bit of gyno for like 2 months and been using letro at 1.25mg's a day for about 2 weeks...the gyno seems to be gone but the other day my doctor prescribed me trazodone, anyways i took it for about 2-3 days and i woke up one morning and my nipples were extremely puffy. Later that day i squeezed my nipple and brown stuff came out of it, has any1 had this before? i went to the doctor today and she said trazodone causes gyno but it was too fast for it to build up...she asked me if i was taking steroids and i told her i had done a cycle before...any1 who has experienced this please post up...and sorry again for hijacking

 

[SwolK]

im glad this thread came along seeing as how i didnt want to make my own thread and look stupid...sorry for hijacking but ive had a tad bit of gyno for like 2 months and been using letro at 1.25mg's a day for about 2 weeks...the gyno seems to be gone but the other day my doctor prescribed me trazodone, anyways i took it for about 2-3 days and i woke up one morning and my nipples were extremely puffy. Later that day i squeezed my nipple and brown stuff came out of it, has any1 had this before? i went to the doctor today and she said trazodone causes gyno but it was too fast for it to build up...she asked me if i was taking steroids and i told her i had done a cycle before...any1 who has experienced this please post up...and sorry again for hijacking

just to comment on the trazodone, it sucks. gave me the worst hangovers of my life. get sonata or something else if the traz gives you hangovers

 

[GetBig10]

no bro ive never had brown stuff come out

 

[sparetire]

i got gyno from tren and I had a clear substance come out when squeezed. My doc said that it doesn't have to be brown, can be clear also. You want to run 1.25 or 2.50 mgs of letro a day, not .50 or .25. Run it with 40mgs a day with nolva and hopefully it will rid you of your gyno, unfortunately, mine didn't go away after months of use and had to get surgery!

but yours seems like it might go away..but your sex drive will also!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

trazodone increases prolactin release, which is why you got the fluid issue.

if you have pre-exsiting hard tissue its a recipe for disaster

consider a different anti-depressant/sedative

 

[02gixxersix]

i got gyno from tren and I had a clear substance come out when squeezed. My doc said that it doesn't have to be brown, can be clear also. You want to run 1.25 or 2.50 mgs of letro a day, not .50 or .25. Run it with 40mgs a day with nolva and hopefully it will rid you of your gyno, unfortunately, mine didn't go away after months of use and had to get surgery!

but yours seems like it might go away..but your sex drive will also!

Yeah that's the doseage to use. It kicked my sex drives ass when I ran it and also didnt do anything.

 

[newbiebynature]

i discontinued the use of trazodone after that happened

 

[GetBig10]

should i stop my recent cycle of...just winny oral?....

or can i take nolva and letro and i also have armidex?

 

[Indy]

i got gyno from tren and I had a clear substance come out when squeezed. My doc said that it doesn't have to be brown, can be clear also. You want to run 1.25 or 2.50 mgs of letro a day, not .50 or .25. Run it with 40mgs a day with nolva and hopefully it will rid you of your gyno, unfortunately, mine didn't go away after months of use and had to get surgery!

but yours seems like it might go away..but your sex drive will also!

No worry there sparetire, I dont think he has sex

 

[zips92]

You didn't mention what your cycle was (gyno from test derivative, nandrolones or trenbolones), or if you are even on cycle or just have fat nipples? I am assuming you are on cycle, not PCT or off-cycle. Letrozole (femara) is the choice to help get rid of gyno, but dostinex is also helpful for prolactin. This combo seems to be the best choice for prolactin problems.

The following post is from another forum......from a knowledgeable bro that has helped me previously in the past.......it discusses the use and dosage of letrozole. Note, this post was made prior to AIFM being available and other recent AI advancements:

POST START
If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro.

This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to PREVENT it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP. Nolvadex is not as effective as trying to reverse gyno already established.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.

How do I know if I have gyno?
If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.

Running letro to reverse gyno:
Remember once signs of gyno appear, it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP. Recommended dosing schedule:

Day 1: 0.50 mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0 mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5 mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0 mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5 mg Letro **

Regardless of the anti-e you may be using, it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for an additional week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg

***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.
POST END

Hopefully this helps. Good luck!

 

[GetBig10]

how should i measure...the letro from a dropper

 

[GetBig10]

letro is just squirted into your motuh right?...some guy at the gym told me i thought it wudnt be true?

 

[ProtienFiend]

letro and nolva is exactly what you want for gyno. But if you've had it for years, odds are it will not go away without surgery...still letro is worth a try. It's a lot cheaper than surgery.

Also, try bar dips and decline bench for your lower pecs.

Ok youre right about that it wont go away if its from childhood or has been persistent for a long period of time. I would skip the letro and nolva because they will NOT work and will screw up your lipid profile and possibly blood pressure.

Surgery is the #1 option. There is topical DHT but it is hard to come by, is expensive, not garaunteed it will work, and also has various side effects (prostate).

Lastly, there is no such thing as "lower chest". The chest is a pectoral muscle which contracts when doing incline, flat, or decline. Decline working the "lower" chest is a total myth, as are decline situps working the "lower" abs.

 

[GetBig10]

???

 

[GetBig10]

letro is just squirted into your motuh right?...some guy at the gym told me i thought it wudnt be true?

bump4 help please

 

[GetBig10]

bump...?

 

[nydj66]

liquid letro (like from ag-guys) is just squirted into the mouth.

 

[NickyE3]

just drink the stuff from AG

 

[NickyE3]

I had natural gyno from puberty, nips hurt when hit with water from the showerhead. Took a couple weeks of nolva and the sensitivity went away. I still have some fat in thte lower chest and puffy nips. Been using yohimburn ES and been doing lots of dips and decline bench, these two are helping alot. I am gonna start on a couple weeks of letro and nolva tomorrow and see if that helps out anymore

 

[ProtienFiend]

I had natural gyno from puberty, nips hurt when hit with water from the showerhead. Took a couple weeks of nolva and the sensitivity went away. I still have some fat in thte lower chest and puffy nips. Been using yohimburn ES and been doing lots of dips and decline bench, these two are helping alot. I am gonna start on a couple weeks of letro and nolva tomorrow and see if that helps out anymore

Out of curiosity... how old are you?

 

[NickyE3]

i was about 20 when all that happened, a bit of a late bloomer

 

[drbermant]

would puffy nipples acount as gyno?..because i have puffy nipples and ive alwasy thought i had gyno becasue itd never go away...but i dont have much of a lower chest just upper is mainly built...for some raeson my lower chest dosnt get much of a workout ever...

what should i use for gyno?
i have letro and nolvadex comin in on monday?

"Puffy Nipples" is a common public term for gynecomastia.

The problem is the the term puffy nipples is a phrase that mean so many different things to so many different people. Words just do not convey the actual problem very well - images do a little better, but still are not the same as an actual in office evaluation with your doctor.

Putting up pictures (using standard views before and after surgery) is one way to discuss what the problem was before surgery and what has happened. Options depend on what is really going on.

Let us try to look what I mean by the problem of the words only descriptions. "Large nips", "puffy nipples," "puffed nipples," and "puffy nips" are a common terms many give to a problem that extends to the region about the areola. The nipple is actually the central raised structure inside the pigmented areola.

"Puffed nipples" can be a problem for some that involves long nipples above the areola where nipple reduction alone helps.

"Puffy Nipps" can be a problem behind the areola that can take many forms. The deformity is usually a varying combination of fat and gland. The gland can be firm or soft, spread through fat, or be a condensed mass. There is a thin muscle under the areola skin that can flatten tissue when stimulated. Unfortunately it is impractical to keep stimulating these muscles.

In many of these patients with "puffy nipples," there was no firm tissue under the areola, just fat and soft gland. Here is one example of puffy nipples in a muscular male. Here is another example of puffed nipples. Here is another patient with puffy nipple gynecomastia.

"Puffy Nipples" can also be a combination of gynecomastia and big nipples.

I prefer my Dynamic Technique that adapts to the problem found during surgery to minimize such issues as residual deformity after surgery.

It does not take much to disturb the cut look of someone with a low body fat % such as a bodybuilder and I have sculpted many. Bodybuilding can help with fat and muscles, but will not help with gland and you cannot pick where the fat comes from. My bodybuilding patients typically tell me that what is on top of the muscle gets pushed out further in making bigger muscles.

You can find some examples of pictures before and after gynecomastia surgery

Here - Gyno and BodyBuilding

Puffy Nipples and Bodybuilding

Here - Gynecomastia and BodyBuilding

Here - Gynecomastia Treatment

and

Here - Gynecomastia BodyBuilding.

I would suggest looking beyond each link's first page at all of the views for each patient to better understand the difference in the look before / after surgery. There are other examples of lean patients, but thought this would be a good start.

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
Learn More About Gynecomastia and Chest Sculpture

 

[ProtienFiend]

Michael Bermant, MD
Learn More About Gynecomastia and Chest Sculpture

Out of curiosity, how much do you charge for gland/lipo and how often can your office convince insurance to cover it?

 

[zips92]

^^

 

[drbermant]

Out of curiosity, how much do you charge for gland/lipo and how often can your office convince insurance to cover it?

I see so many different degrees of gynecomastia that the cost of surgery depends on the problem to be treated. My office manager is better able to answer cost questions and issues about insurance. You can find the phone number to contact her here.

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
Learn More About Gynecomastia and Chest Sculpture

 

[markmark]

I see so many different degrees of gynecomastia that the cost of surgery depends on the problem to be treated. My office manager is better able to answer cost questions and issues about insurance. You can find the phone number to contact her here.

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
Learn More About Gynecomastia and Chest Sculpture

Wow! this is the Dr. I plan on visiting this coming year for my mild gyno. did not know he was on this site...Im saving my money now becouse i realy don't think insurance will cover any of this.. I believe him to be the best ......