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awol salin

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First of all, I'd like to say, what a superb website this is, I've been reading threads on here for about two Months, and now I feel a little more knowledgable.


I'm going to be starting a new oral cycle in the next week.

I've ran winnny only oral cycle last year, which was great, I got no side effects except back pump pain for four days around week three.

No achy joints, nothing, I ran it for a full 40 days at 50mg a day

I gained about 8pounds of good lean muscle, and pretty much kept it all.


My next cycle is going to be, tbol and Anavar stack, with clen.

I choose to do peaks as I hate needles in a way you won't believe, I'm aware there toxic to your liver, and I take good care to be mindful of this

I'm doin this stack due I want steady increased moderate gains in strength and size, however I'm not expecting miracles.

Week 1 tbol 30mg, var 25mg
Week 2 tbol 40mg, var 25mg
Week 3 same as week 3
Week 4 tbol 50mg, var 25mg
Week 5 tbol 60mg, var 25mg
Week six var 50mg

Pct is Clomid, which I've used before and worked superb for me.

Milk thistle is a standard must.

Is my dosage ok? Should it be upped, lowered?

People will say do test, don't do orals, and some will say this works for them others won't, I'm happy with my choice, it suits my needs and orals were designed for a reason, for people like me that can't stand needles, otherwise orals wouldn't be around, there are an alternative to needles, which again works well for me.

My diet is clean, I drink a lot of water.

Would anyone Care to offer me advice on dosage....not tell me I shouldn't do it, as I find ten forums saying yes I its the only decent oral to take, then others saying that I'm going to hell along with my liver

I hope your all well, and big Greets from the uk!! :)
 
The clen will he used on a two weeks on two weeks off basis

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Anyone?? Some of you more experienced guys surely can offer an opinion.



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Need stats before anything (age, height, weight, diet, training, # of previous cycles).
 
Hi, I'm 31, 6ft I weight 83.3 kg

I've ran a winny oral only cycle previously, and gained some good lean muscle, in the region of 8/9 pounds and run a good pct and kept pretty much all of it.

And got some really good strength gains.

I'm an ex UK royal marine, trained all my life, but since I've left I've wanted to make some moderate gains, thus why I've started to think about some cycles.

My anavar is 50mg caps and my tbol is 20 mg caps, if this helps, with 20mg caps of clen

Thanks for your reply, I'm very grateful



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I weight train five times a week, different muscle group each day, but double up some days ie to do abs and legs.

Do some workouts by Greg plitt, others from my tried and tested, super sets, drop sets, lots of compound movements, and again with isolation movements

Mixture of heavy and high reps

Cardio three to four times a week, running no more than 7 miles in one go, with fartlek training mixed in.

Diets pretty clean, I don't drink at all





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Can you give an example of diet, just saying its clean doesn't help too much because although it may be clean if you only eat 1500-2000 calories a day you are not eating anywhere near enough.
 
Ok

Breakfast porridge oats, one banana...protein shake

Mid morning snack, small bag of mixed nuts

Lunch, five egg and one chicken breast omlette, only two yolks. And very very low fat cheese.

Mid afternoon snack, home made flapjack with protein and a banana.

Gym, then protein shake afterwards

Dinner.

Jacket potato, 250g of low fat cottage cheese and one large chicken breast and some mixed beans.

And that's pretty much my daily intake.

Thanks fot your reply. I am very grateful.

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Only bad thing I have is max six hours broken sleep a night due to my job, I work shifts days and nights.

I always get my training in, but I know I need more sleep, but its how its always been for me.

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It really seems like your protein is too low.
 
awol salin said:
First of all, I'd like to say, what a superb website this is, I've been reading threads on here for about two Months, and now I feel a little more knowledgable.


I'm going to be starting a new oral cycle in the next week.

I've ran winnny only oral cycle last year, which was great, I got no side effects except back pump pain for four days around week three.

No achy joints, nothing, I ran it for a full 40 days at 50mg a day

I gained about 8pounds of good lean muscle, and pretty much kept it all.


My next cycle is going to be, tbol and Anavar stack, with clen.

I choose to do peaks as I hate needles in a way you won't believe, I'm aware there toxic to your liver, and I take good care to be mindful of this

I'm doin this stack due I want steady increased moderate gains in strength and size, however I'm not expecting miracles.

Week 1 tbol 30mg, var 25mg
Week 2 tbol 40mg, var 25mg
Week 3 same as week 3
Week 4 tbol 50mg, var 25mg
Week 5 tbol 60mg, var 25mg
Week six var 50mg

Pct is Clomid, which I've used before and worked superb for me.

Milk thistle is a standard must.

Is my dosage ok? Should it be upped, lowered?

People will say do test, don't do orals, and some will say this works for them others won't, I'm happy with my choice, it suits my needs and orals were designed for a reason, for people like me that can't stand needles, otherwise orals wouldn't be around, there are an alternative to needles, which again works well for me.

My diet is clean, I drink a lot of water.

Would anyone Care to offer me advice on dosage....not tell me I shouldn't do it, as I find ten forums saying yes I its the only decent oral to take, then others saying that I'm going to hell along with my liver

I hope your all well, and big Greets from the uk!! :)
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IMO the var dose is too low. I wouldnt run it at less than 100mg a day but you'd probably be ok running 50mg a day due to you been quite a bit lighter, 25mg isnt really gonna do shit
 
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Ok your mind is set on oral only so I wont suggest any injectables but I will add that you are missing out on some amazing drugs like tren. As far as dosage there is no need to pyramid. Run the same dose the entire cycle. And like the previous poster said 25 mg var isnt going to do much. I would go 50-70 mgs day for both. They are both very mild alone but stack well with other drugs. You definitely need to eat more. At your height you should get your weight to at least 105 kgs. Try to get at least 300 grams protein a day.




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You need to pm me the whole thing is suckey wuckey! sorry! but that's how it is!
 
joeblow12345 said:
Ok your mind is set on oral only so I wont suggest any injectables but I will add that you are missing out on some amazing drugs like tren. As far as dosage there is no need to pyramid. Run the same dose the entire cycle. And like the previous poster said 25 mg var isnt going to do much. I would go 50-70 mgs day for both. They are both very mild alone but stack well with other drugs. You definitely need to eat more. At your height you should get your weight to at least 105 kgs. Try to get at least 300 grams protein a day.




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Thanks mate, I'm very grateful for the reply, injectables may come one day, but not yet for me.

May I ask, why would you push the dosage up, just so I know.

Thankyou.

Alan

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Well any help I can get will be very much appreciated.

So I'll look forward to hearing from him, as I've sent a pm.

Cheers for the reply.

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awol salin said:
Thanks mate, I'm very grateful for the reply, injectables may come one day, but not yet for me.

May I ask, why would you push the dosage up, just so I know.

Thankyou.

Alan

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Both drugs are mild, hence why I raised the dose. Like I said you will be disappointed with 25 mgs var. If you were running beastdrol, or dbol then 30 mgs would be fine.

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