GTP 500mg EQ

[BBBBig Phenom]

I am about to jump on a cycle of this...I cannot decide how much to take...I am thinking about 750mg for 15weeks.

Anyone who has tried this please let me know if you like and how the results were.


Thanks.

 

[satchboogie]

it tested out at 458mg..
so its super legit...

 

[BBBBig Phenom]

Thanks buddy

 

[fergie]

I'm on it right now but only week 4 so its too early to tell

 

[trinidad]

Will you be running anything else with it?

 

[BBBBig Phenom]

No, just the EQ.....Anyone else is here take this yet..?

 

[canasta]

GOOD SHIT!!

thats all i got to say about that

 

[Makavelli]

GOOD SHIT!!

thats all i got to say about that

Was it painful?

 

[anal itch]

OT: Gurkha!

GOOD SHIT!!

thats all i got to say about that

I saw your avatar and thought about Gurkha Cigars, then I read your location! That’s a great smoke, I had one the other day!

 

[canasta]

Was it painful?

completely painless

 

[dali]

if it tested out at 458mg/ml why do they claim it's 500mg/ml? That's 10% off.

 

[canasta]

if it tested out at 458mg/ml why do they claim it's 500mg/ml? That's 10% off.

who cares...at least u can get the good shit....so many others are just fkin cons

 

[Makavelli]

if it tested out at 458mg/ml why do they claim it's 500mg/ml? That's 10% off.

That's really not far off for underground. Some batches will test out higher I'm sure.

 

[Guvna]

so the bottle labeled "nandrolone deconate" had eq in it? Thats not very good.


Also, 458mgs is not 500 mgs.

thats about 90%, which, at first glance, is pretty good. However, I look at it like this: (Some people may, some people may not.)

guy makes 100 bottles of 500mg eq, at lets just say he sells them for 170 bucks a piece. But he only puts 458mgs in them. That give him an extra 10 bottles of juice, with 100% profit. So, instead of making $17,000, he makes $18,700, at YOUR expense, on something YOU paid for. All while being "within acceptable range." Sounds like a pretty damn good deal for GTP. Sorry, if I pay for 500mgs, I want 500. But that is just me, if 458 is good enough for all of, then thats great for you.


IMO, if you are an UG lab, you should be testing ALL your batches of products to make sure you have the LABELLED dose.

 

[aandd]

any idea how long it takes to feel the effect.. currently taking 400mg/ml GT on my 2nd week.

Stacking it with Winny and Proviron..

mr aandd

 

[UA_Iron]

so the bottle labeled "nandrolone deconate" had eq in it? Thats not very good.


Also, 458mgs is not 500 mgs.

thats about 90%, which, at first glance, is pretty good. However, I look at it like this: (Some people may, some people may not.)

guy makes 100 bottles of 500mg eq, at lets just say he sells them for 170 bucks a piece. But he only puts 458mgs in them. That give him an extra 10 bottles of juice, with 100% profit. So, instead of making $17,000, he makes $18,700, at YOUR expense, on something YOU paid for. All while being "within acceptable range." Sounds like a pretty damn good deal for GTP. Sorry, if I pay for 500mgs, I want 500. But that is just me, if 458 is good enough for all of, then thats great for you.


IMO, if you are an UG lab, you should be testing ALL your batches of products to make sure you have the LABELLED dose.

most powders claim 98.5% purity too, especially EQ. A good UG lab would make an adjustment for this purity by compensating for that 1.5%.

There really should be no reason that they are not within 3%.

 

[canasta]

so the bottle labeled "nandrolone deconate" had eq in it? Thats not very good.


Also, 458mgs is not 500 mgs.

thats about 90%, which, at first glance, is pretty good. However, I look at it like this: (Some people may, some people may not.)

guy makes 100 bottles of 500mg eq, at lets just say he sells them for 170 bucks a piece. But he only puts 458mgs in them. That give him an extra 10 bottles of juice, with 100% profit. So, instead of making $17,000, he makes $18,700, at YOUR expense, on something YOU paid for. All while being "within acceptable range." Sounds like a pretty damn good deal for GTP. Sorry, if I pay for 500mgs, I want 500. But that is just me, if 458 is good enough for all of, then thats great for you.


IMO, if you are an UG lab, you should be testing ALL your batches of products to make sure you have the LABELLED dose.

sure there is a lot of profit in that buisness....there is also a ton of risk...at least it is the real deal

 

[trinidad]

so the bottle labeled "nandrolone deconate" had eq in it? Thats not very good.


Also, 458mgs is not 500 mgs.

thats about 90%, which, at first glance, is pretty good. However, I look at it like this: (Some people may, some people may not.)

guy makes 100 bottles of 500mg eq, at lets just say he sells them for 170 bucks a piece. But he only puts 458mgs in them. That give him an extra 10 bottles of juice, with 100% profit. So, instead of making $17,000, he makes $18,700, at YOUR expense, on something YOU paid for. All while being "within acceptable range." Sounds like a pretty damn good deal for GTP. Sorry, if I pay for 500mgs, I want 500. But that is just me, if 458 is good enough for all of, then thats great for you.


IMO, if you are an UG lab, you should be testing ALL your batches of products to make sure you have the LABELLED dose.

Yeah but they could also adjust it to 500 mgs and charge $200 per bottle. I'd rather shoot 1 cc of 458, than 2.25 ccs of 200.

 

[Guvna]

Yeah but they could also adjust it to 500 mgs and charge $200 per bottle. I'd rather shoot 1 cc of 458, than 2.25 ccs of 200.

why not just label the bottle as 700mg/ml then? Not trying to be a dick, but charging 170 for 458mgs, when labeled as 500; then charging 200 for 500 when labelled as 500, makes about as much sense to me as a dog with two cocks.

 

[Guvna]

There really should be no reason that they are not within 3%.

exactly.

EQ can be had for under a buck a gram. I Ug lab wouldnt save much by cheaping you out of a few 100mgs a bottle, but it sure can increase his profits at the end of the day.


1 kilo of EQ - $600 or less

-makes 200 bottles of 500mg/ml EQ at 170 a piece. = $34000

-makes 218 bottles at 459mgs at 170 a piece =
$37100

pretty sweat deal. of course, one could argue that some is lost in the conversion, and that is why it is low-which is true. However, it would only cost the source 15-20 bucks to compensate for the whole damn batch.

 

[nuevo laredo]

...makes about as much sense to me as a dog with two cocks.

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

 

[satchboogie]

GTP was 8% under..
which by underground labs standard is acceptable.

so for all you competitors on this thread who have a kitchen lab goin on tryina bash an established golden lab like GTP with your nonsense, jealous remarks...

id like to see your gear tested out time and time again and always comin out legit like GTP...

 

[Indy]

GTP was 8% under..
which by underground labs standard is acceptable.

so for all you competitors on this thread who have a kitchen lab goin on tryina bash an established golden lab like GTP with your nonsense, jealous remarks...

id like to see your gear tested out time and time again and always comin out legit like GTP...

For the record, I have only done EQ 3 times, first 2 times was BD and I am not bashing BD cause I like their stuff, very professional outfit, but I didn't get shit from it, not even anysides like increased appetite and shit that most claim they get. The current cycle I decided to buy a single vial of 500mg EQ and throw it on top of my cycle for the last 6 weeks....All I can say is OH MY GOD, increased appetite is an understatement, got me back to eating, but the positives are GREAT, the lean gains are awesome. I WILL be ordering much more to keep in my stockpile for future cycles......Just thought I would throw some real world feedback in the mix, I dont sell gear, I dont get paid to advertise, but damn GTP has never failed me ..... I think they have one product left I have not tried, and I"ll order it with the EQ next time or for any of my good bro's out there, just remember this wish list, Christmas is getting close and I have a BIG STOCKING by the fireplace.

 

[Guvna]

GTP was 8% under..
which by underground labs standard is acceptable.

no, it matters if it is acceptable by MY standards. And if it is acceptable for everyone else's on the planets standards, well, thats great for them, and I'm glad they got real gear. But, I am free to express my feelings on the subject, and I will...

so for all you competitors on this thread who have a kitchen lab goin on tryina bash an established golden lab like GTP with your nonsense, jealous remarks...

id like to see your gear tested out time and time again and always comin out legit like GTP...

riiight.

 

[Ulter]

if it tested out at 458mg/ml why do they claim it's 500mg/ml? That's 10% off.

Schering 250mg Testoviron is 232mg/ml

 

[UA_Iron]

A lot of labs still shoot for 10% overdosing.

regardless, I pay a third the price of the stated on this thread for EQ

 

[Guvna]

Schering 250mg Testoviron is 232mg/ml

nobody says pharm companies dont do it too. They have to abide by the set standard. However, it sure as hell makes business sense for them to underdose to just above what they are allowed to. I would have wrote the same shit about them if it had come up.

difference is this: standards.

If Schering was required, by law, to make drugs that were 100%, you know what they would test at? Thats right, 100%

Schering is scamming you out of 18 mgs (and they save hundreds of millions doing this on every drug they make), same as GTP (or any other UG lab that doesnt make their stuff at label claim).

UG labs have only the standards set by their customers. Usually that standard is only "I gained weight," for which it is pretty damn easy for most of them to comply. However, for a picky some, that standard is higher? 20% ? 10%? 2%? How close does it have to be? for me, under 5%. If you are happy with 8%, more power to ya.

 

[Ulter]

It has nothing to with allowing Schering to make drugs at 100%. They DO make them 100%. But you're not allowing for the ester itself. Sust is only 180mg of test. But that's because the esters make up the rest, not because it's underdosed.

 

[Guvna]

It has nothing to with allowing Schering to make drugs at 100%.

no, it has to to do with allowing them to make it WITHIN 10%. (I really dont understand what you mean by "allowing 100%," because they "allow" them to be 10% off (or something around there)

They DO make them 100%.

They didnt when their test came out to 232/250.

But you're not allowing for the ester itself. Sust is only 180mg of test. But that's because the esters make up the rest, not because it's underdosed.

Now I have really lost you. 232 mgs of test enathate is 232 mgs of test enathate. It is not x amount of test and x amount of ester.

Sure sust is only around 180mgs of test, but when it is tested (if it is perfect), it will come out to 250mgs, because they dont test for test, they test for test prop, test phyenlprop, test isocaproate, and test deconate.

.....just like they test for bold WITH the esterweight.

 

[Guvna]

just in case anybody cares, it is not the 8% that bothers me, it is the fact that they know EXACTLY what they hell they are doing when it is x% under. It is no accident. it is deliberate, and THAT i do not like.

However, 8% on 500mg eq seems a lot worse to me than 8% on something like test at 200mgs/ml.

8% shafts you 400mgs total, which is a weeks worth of gear for most.

 

[Ulter]

10 percent is to be expected. I think if they tested 10 other vials you'd surely see a 10%+/- just like you do the pharms. THAT's 100% in practical terms. Just like when a doctor wants you to get 250mg/wk of test and gives you sust that only has 180mg. If the doctor changes you to enanthate he won't adjust the dose on your script or your chart. It will stay say 250mg.

 

[Guvna]

I think if they tested 10 other vials you'd surely see a 10%+/-

From what I have seen throught this history of UG labs, and in the type of batches they make their gear, I do not agree.

 

[Indy]

just in case anybody cares, it is not the 8% that bothers me, it is the fact that they know EXACTLY what they hell they are doing when it is x% under. It is no accident. it is deliberate, and THAT i do not like.

However, 8% on 500mg eq seems a lot worse to me than 8% on something like test at 200mgs/ml.

8% shafts you 400mgs total, which is a weeks worth of gear for most.

I'm not here to take sides or start shit but Guvna I agree with what you are saying, they probably do know, it's a business like anyother, and we as the consumer are getting the raw end of the deal. They underdose just abit so we still see results, but that 8% or so less adds up overtime so they can sell it later. It's like the banks, you make a xfer and the money disappears for 24 hours, they invest it for 24 hours while it's "in transit", make a few bucks, then the original amount goes back into your account, you dont get interest or profit, they do.......With that said, I still stand by what I said earlier in this thread, quality gear, great results from it. So it's a tad undersdosed, but I know it's real, not faked, and it's safe. I tend to try and stay with a particular lab when I know it's trusted, dont want fakes or infections...and the source stands behind his gear, very important to me as well.

 

[Ulter]

I have done over 100 tests for everyone from Redi-Cat and Satch to Bill Lewellyn. So I have stand by my own history and not yours. OOOXXX

 

[bigtravis]

so the bottle labeled "nandrolone deconate" had eq in it? Thats not very good.


Also, 458mgs is not 500 mgs.

thats about 90%, which, at first glance, is pretty good. However, I look at it like this: (Some people may, some people may not.)

guy makes 100 bottles of 500mg eq, at lets just say he sells them for 170 bucks a piece. But he only puts 458mgs in them. That give him an extra 10 bottles of juice, with 100% profit. So, instead of making $17,000, he makes $18,700, at YOUR expense, on something YOU paid for. All while being "within acceptable range." Sounds like a pretty damn good deal for GTP. Sorry, if I pay for 500mgs, I want 500. But that is just me, if 458 is good enough for all of, then thats great for you.


IMO, if you are an UG lab, you should be testing ALL your batches of products to make sure you have the LABELLED dose.

we've had words before but i agree with you 100%. whats the point. in my eyes it is better to loose 1500-2000 and have a better quality product and in the long run you'll profit more. look at BD. thats what has made them so popular. you know exactly what you are getting. VETABOLICS is coming out with all 20ml. bottles soon and i can assure everyone that when the label says boldenone 300mg. or npp 150mg. then thats what will be in it.

 

[DieselGunz]

Wow this is a very informative thread

 

[UA_Iron]

the mechanics involved in producing accurately dosed gear is not some mysterious unobtainable goal. Purely simpleton math.

Plus wouldnt a good lab get their own stuff tested and then make necessary compensations?

Then ultimately a cost-benefit analysis would lead you to the conclusion that even if your gear was 50% underdosed but you paid 65% less than GTP products you'd still be getting a better deal.

is there anything else I should point out?

 

[Indy]

the mechanics involved in producing accurately dosed gear is not some mysterious unobtainable goal. Purely simpleton math.

Plus wouldnt a good lab get their own stuff tested and then make necessary compensations?

Then ultimately a cost-benefit analysis would lead you to the conclusion that even if your gear was 50% underdosed but you paid 65% less than GTP products you'd still be getting a better deal.

is there anything else I should point out?

I think it's obvious to most......

 

[Ulter]

I get the idea you guys don't know the limitations of the people making this gear. There isn't a single advanced chemistry degree among any of the UG gear manufacturers. And many brands are made by the same couple guys.

 

[Indy]

I get the idea you guys don't know the limitations of the people making this gear. There isn't a single advanced chemistry degree among any of the UG gear manufacturers. And many brands are made by the same couple guys.

That's why I am more for the fact I trust their gear, and I know it's legit. The fact that it's tested and I know it's a little underdosed, means I can compensate for that, I dont want to test every batch I buy to see if it's legit, so I try to stick with what I know is real and safe. 8% is not shit to me.....in the big scheme of things

 

[canasta]

That's why I am more for the fact I trust their gear, and I know it's legit. The fact that it's tested and I know it's a little underdosed, means I can compensate for that, I dont want to test every batch I buy to see if it's legit, so I try to stick with what I know is real and safe. 8% is not shit to me.....in the big scheme of things

i agree

 

[Ulter]

My point about compensating is that even physicians don't sweat the details when it comes to dosing AS. I defy anyone to tell me they can tell the difference between 450mg a week and 500mg a week.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

A lot of labs still shoot for 10% overdosing.

regardless, I pay a third the price of the stated on this thread for EQ

ditto

 

[satchboogie]

just in case anybody cares, it is not the 8% that bothers me, it is the fact that they know EXACTLY what they hell they are doing when it is x% under. It is no accident. it is deliberate, and THAT i do not like.

However, 8% on 500mg eq seems a lot worse to me than 8% on something like test at 200mgs/ml.

8% shafts you 400mgs total, which is a weeks worth of gear for most.

just for the record, 8% of 500mg is 40mg.. NOT 400mg!
if youre gonna post some shit, get the facts straight!!

and believe me if an UG lab wanted to 'deliberately' scam you, they would sell you fake gear... at 458mg you're gettin a very legit product and should be super happy with it!

 

[Retabolil2]

so the bottle labeled "nandrolone deconate" had eq in it? Thats not very good.


Also, 458mgs is not 500 mgs.

I`m wondering what is in the vials which labeled as Eq Maybe 150mg nandrolone?
Also you know what 500mg/1ml means? half of the solution in that vial must be raw material. its imposible to dissolve bold at that dosage without extra amount of benzyl alcohol.
Not saying anything bad about GTP but those lab results are fucked up big time

 

[Guvna]

just for the record, 8% of 500mg is 40mg.. NOT 400mg!
if youre gonna post some shit, get the facts straight!!

on a bottle, its 400 mgs....like i said.

and believe me if an UG lab wanted to 'deliberately' scam you, they would sell you fake gear...

Not if they are smart they wouldnt, they would sell you something underdosed anywhere from a lot to a little. That way customers still get results, they save a little money, and make a lot more money...and still have customers coming back.

at 458mg you're gettin a very legit product and should be super happy with it!

Thanks for telling me what i should be super happy with; I'll bear that in mind.

 

[Indy]

My point about compensating is that even physicians don't sweat the details when it comes to dosing AS. I defy anyone to tell me they can tell the difference between 450mg a week and 500mg a week.

Agreed, Like I said, in the big scheme of things it's not that big of a deal, but a few here are beating this shit to death, and a few are just taking advantage to try and sell their brand, I'm officially out of this waste of time thread...... thanks for clarifying Ulter, we all respect what you say.

 

[satchboogie]

Agreed, Like I said, in the big scheme of things it's not that big of a deal, but a few here are beating this shit to death, and a few are just taking advantage to try and sell their brand, I'm officially out of this waste of time thread...... thanks for clarifying Ulter, we all respect what you say.

took the words right out of my mouth..

 

[Indy]

took the words right out of my mouth..

I be looking for you bro, answer your messages

 

[BBBBig Phenom]

Awesome conversation on this thread and really good points made by many different people with different opinions.....Thank you all for your input and advise.....I am going to be taking 750mg for 15 weeks.......

I cannot wait..... Also, Indy thanks for the response......

 

[Indy]

Awesome conversation on this thread and really good points made by many different people with different opinions.....Thank you all for your input and advise.....I am going to be taking 750mg for 15 weeks.......

I cannot wait..... Also, Indy thanks for the response......

Glad to help anyway I can bro, take care.

 

[eamonn78]

Also you know what 500mg/1ml means? half of the solution in that vial must be raw material. its imposible to dissolve bold at that dosage without extra amount of benzyl alcohol.

I dont know how much homebrewing you have done, but all the raw Boldenone Undecylinate that I have recieved has been liquid at room temperature. You could shoot it straight, if you were so inclined...

 

[BBBBig Phenom]

cannot wait.

 

[Indy]

cannot wait.

Got a vial of it and I am doing some testing of my own here in Dr. Indy laboratory.....this is week 3 of the EQ500 thrown ontop of my test/deca stack, will take for remaining 6 weeks of this cycle, since I know what typical test/deca cycle's yield.

 

[zipp404]

I`m wondering what is in the vials which labeled as Eq Maybe 150mg nandrolone?
Also you know what 500mg/1ml means? half of the solution in that vial must be raw material. its imposible to dissolve bold at that dosage without extra amount of benzyl alcohol.
Not saying anything bad about GTP but those lab results are fucked up big time

Satch, do you have a comment?

 

[Indy]

Satch, do you have a comment?

Hopefully he wont waste a minute of his time, I sure wouldn't

 

[satchboogie]

youre right INDY i probably shouldnt waste my time..
but ill take a minute anyways..

first off, the vial was sent by ULTER who is one of the most respected members in the bb'ing community....

the vial was sent UNLABELED....
and dont ask me why they tested for deca.. i have no fuckin clue!

the bottom line is that the vial contained 458mg of eq..
and enough said in that dept!!!

i have competitors and haters on this board and many other boards..
and believe me theyll do anything in their powers to handicap GTP and/or other solid enterepenuers...

GTP seems to be the only lab to have gone through 4-5 lab tests this year alone..
each one came out clean!!!

when was the last time you saw a lab result from another lab?????

 

[BigAndy69]

Truth is Boldenone Undecylenate raw materials are very unpure coming from China. I've seen lab tests on 2 different EQs (raw) and one was about 17% off and the other was only slightly better at 12% (The first sample was much darker than the second sample.)

That's why you will see a lot of "underdosed" UG EQ.

 

[Retabolil2]

Truth is Boldenone Undecylenate raw materials are very unpure coming from China. I've seen lab tests on 2 different EQs (raw) and one was about 17% off and the other was only slightly better at 12% (The first sample was much darker than the second sample.)

That's why you will see a lot of "underdosed" UG EQ.

Andy is absolutely correct. bold raw materials suck! no matter where in China you buy it from. 17% under isnt that bad in my opinion, I`ve seen worse!

 

[Indy]

Andy is absolutely correct. bold raw materials suck! no matter where in China you buy it from. 17% under isnt that bad in my opinion, I`ve seen worse!

Why is it you only pop out of the dark in Satch's post ?? I think you'll find folks wont respect that very much, besides it just plain looks creepy. Post some good......not just evil.

 

[satchboogie]

INDY..

you have it wrong this time bro.
read what he wrote a few times..

 

[Retabolil2]

Why is it you only pop out of the dark in Satch's post ?? I think you'll find folks wont respect that very much, besides it just plain looks creepy. Post some good......not just evil.

Read what I`ve posted, nothing bad about satch or GTP. One year ago BD bold was tested 30% under due to problems with raw material.

 

[BBBBig Phenom]

Listen I will take it for 14weeks and let you all know how good my gains are and how vacular I look.......I have talked to many people that say this is top notch

 

[satchboogie]

Read what I`ve posted, nothing bad about satch or GTP. One year ago BD bold was tested 30% under due to problems with raw material.

yes indeed..
UG labs are at the mercy of powder suppliers.
and when theres a problem with raw materials, the lab results get fucked up and the souce/UG lab earn a 'bad' reputation..

the source(s) has nothing to do with this...
and in most cases the UG lab is not at fault either..
just part of the game.

 

[Ulter]

I don't think the labs can write off the quality of their product to the Chinese. I don't do that with any lab. When we buy material we test it BEFORE it goes into the product. If it's no good we send it back and go somewhere else. Unfortunately for the consumers who buy products made by our competitors, we seem to be all alone in that practice.

The lab "PROBABLY" tested for Nandrolone because of the poor handwriting on the lab order.

 

[BBBBig Phenom]

VERY knowledgeable people here.

 

[Indy]

INDY..

you have it wrong this time bro.
read what he wrote a few times..

No I dont think so, last few threads were negative, I got out, haven't saw him in a thread since unless it's questioning credibility of someone or something that's "not his" I just think it's creepy it's the only threads he's in now..

and yes Ret, maybe not this thread but you and I spoke a few weeks ago, it was UGLY and you were the root of it. Come on guys, cant we just all get along, words stolen from a very famous crook

 

[BigAndy69]

yes indeed..
UG labs are at the mercy of powder suppliers.
and when theres a problem with raw materials, the lab results get fucked up and the souce/UG lab earn a 'bad' reputation..

the source(s) has nothing to do with this...
and in most cases the UG lab is not at fault either..
just part of the game.

I think it really is the responsibillity of the UG label to test some of the powders they are about to use in there products. The raw supplier is not to be held accountable by the consumers of UG gear; the producer is responsible.

UG labels should always test the following products before production

Boldenone
Trenbolone

I've seen Trenbolone powder that tests at 99% and some other stuff that barely made the high 80%.

Tabs from UG producers are usually more accurately dosed since tabs are made in very large batches so they usually take the time to test out the powder before starting production. Imagine running production of 100,000 dbol tabs to later find out that it's only 70% pure. Not good, tens of thousands of dollars are at risk. (Capsules aren't made in large volume.)

Oils can be made in smaller amounts, that's why UG producers generally don't test the powders. Trenbolone and Boldenone should ALWAYS be tested.

 

[satchboogie]

BIGANDY..
good points that i agree on.

surely the source should ALWAYS be accountable should customers have problems with underdosed gear...

but we must remember that the source puts his trust in the UG lab he represents...
and the UG lab puts their trust in the powder source.

the bottom line is customer satisfaction.. pure and simple.

 

[berkley]

BIGANDY..

but we must remember that the source puts his trust in the UG lab he represents...
and the UG lab puts their trust in the powder source.

At each level materials SHOULD BE tested. Like Ulter said, UG source should verify the powder they are purchasing. NO such thing as trust in black market business...PERIOD.