Great results, another two week cycle

[Realgains]

this guy is just reading from mesomorphosis.com and pasting it. here go to that site and read articles by bill roberts, they r more informative, i personally retained 16lbs from this 2 on 4 off theory.

Why do you find the need to say that?
While it is true that I got the idea from Bill Roberts I never denied this...read my other posts about these two week cycles and see who I give the credit to . Since then I have coached men with good results and I too have had good results. So what is the heck is wrong with posting these results.

You have got some nerve buddy!

 

[The Almighty]

Good post. A few months ago I did a 4 week cycle of fina/dbol/winny and, for personal reasons, could only follow up with 10 days of clomid. I gained 12 pounds and kept about 10.

Obviously I dont think this follows the same principle of what you just posted, but verifies that short cycles can be effective.

 

[The Almighty]

this guy is just reading from mesomorphosis.com and pasting it. here go to that site and read articles by bill roberts, they r more informative, i personally retained 16lbs from this 2 on 4 off theory.

Realgains may not have as many mosts as many, but I assure you I have read through many of his posts and he is a really smart bro.

 

[JohnnyB#12]

thank you so much realgains. you just answered about 50 million questions i had. KARMA!!

 

[muscleup]

 

[OVRTrainer]

REALGAINS...

Thanks for sharing these results and information with us, but I have a few questions...

-What was the "subject's" diet like during and after the cycle?

-Can we assume that he did not gain 'any' water weight due to the continual use of arimidex at 1mg per day? No change in BF% does not necessarily indicate that the subject is not holding water as water weight is usually counted as LBM.

-How tall was the subject, as a 5lb increase from 225-230 is more or less impressive relative to the subjects height and genetic potential?

-How long had he been off AAS prior to beginning the 2on/4off cycle?

-Was there any increase in strength?

Sorry for all the questions, but the 2on/4off theory has really intrigued me, while there is little tangible evidence to prove it's efficacy. I would be very interested to see if the repeated cycling in this manner yields continued keepable gains or at what point does one's genetic potential require longer cycles of AAS in order to make gains. Thanks bro!

 

[OVRTrainer]

Bump...

 

[Realgains]

Re: REALGAINS...

Thanks for sharing these results and information with us, but I have a few questions...

-What was the "subject's" diet like during and after the cycle?

-Can we assume that he did not gain 'any' water weight due to the continual use of arimidex at 1mg per day? No change in BF% does not necessarily indicate that the subject is not holding water as water weight is usually counted as LBM.

-How tall was the subject, as a 5lb increase from 225-230 is more or less impressive relative to the subjects height and genetic potential?

-How long had he been off AAS prior to beginning the 2on/4off cycle?

-Was there any increase in strength?

Sorry for all the questions, but the 2on/4off theory has really intrigued me, while there is little tangible evidence to prove it's efficacy. I would be very interested to see if the repeated cycling in this manner yields continued keepable gains or at what point does one's genetic potential require longer cycles of AAS in order to make gains. Thanks bro!

My buddy has used steroids for 15 years and he is 39 years old. He is 5'9" tall. His last cycle was three months prior(he did 2-3 cycles per year)

Proir to the 2 week cycle he has training well naturally and holding much of the gain from his last regular cycle.

Prior to the cycle he was eating very well(as usual..piss me off)

During the cycle he increased protein from 200 mg per day to over 300 per day. He also forced himself to sleep an extra hour each day. He dropped his usual cardio in order to save everything for recuperating.

I would say that the 1 tab of arimidex per day along with the 20 of nolva per day prevented any water gain since he has kept these five pounds that he gained and it ahs been 6 weeks since he stopped. He never looked like he was holding water at all when he was "on'.

During the cycle he trained every other day on a 2 way split. That is hitting each muscle group once every 4th day. He used his usual high intensity low volume routine with the focus on the major compound movements. The only isolation work he did was lateral raises to the sides.
It is okay and even a good idea to train each body part more frequently than normal during a two week cycle. I don't recommend training each muscle group more frequently than once every 6 days while on a longer cycle especially with squats and deads. While "off" I don't recommend squating or deadlifting hard more often than once every 7 or 8 days.

His strength did go up quite steadily . He said that his strength went up in this cycle as it would by week 4 of a regular cycle. I attribute this to the front loading and fairly big doses of highly androgenic hormones.
We did not check one rep maximums prior to or after the cycle simply because the guy is incredibly strong and his focus was size gain.

I firmly believe that you can make steady gains from 2 on 4 off cycles but once you pass your genetic limit more and more gear is needed in order to gain.
As an example of what is needed for a longer traditional type cycle....a newbie that is 20 pounds under his genetic maximum can gain very well on 350- 500 mg of test alone per week. In order to rise above your genetic limit you would need at least 750 mg per week, some can do it with 500mg per week. If you were 20 pounds above your natural limit then a gram would be in order(at least) Most top competitors take 1.5-2 grams per week plus other gear like tren and insulin and a pro that is a freak will take up to 4 grams per week and a shit load of other gear including GH.

You need to take more gear per day during a 2 week cycle than with a regular cycle. Even though the gear intake is high side affects are usually minimal due to the short duration of the cycle.
Those that are prone to loose hair will loose a bit even on a 2 week cycle.

So my buddy was about 35 pound above his natural limit as most men of 5'9 or 10 can get to a fairly lean 190 without gear.
The amount of gear my buddy took was above what he normally takes for a longer cycle, and he never uses d-bol during a normal cycle due to the shitty affect it has on his cholesterol if taken for 4-6 weeks.
A normal cycle for my bud would be a 2 gram front load of test cyp on day one followed by 1200 mg a week and 75 mg of tren per day.

 

[OVRTrainer]

Now that is a thorough response. Thanks bro!

Clearly that additional information puts in perspective the gains your buddy achieved, while limiting the potential side-effects and negative health consequences. It is even more impressive that someone who has surpassed his genetic potential by such a degree, is able to maintain those gains six weeks following cessation of AAS.
I appreciate you going into such depth to answer my questions as it provides more qualitative evidence as to the potential success of such short cycles. By monitoring water weight, strength and diet changes, it eliminates other factors being attributed to the weight gain...obviously the same changes in diet or increase in volume, etc. would not result in the same gains without the presence of AAS b/c we are taking into account your buddy's advanced level, yrs of training experience and familiarity with AAS use.

What I like about the cycle is that you can increase training volume or decrease rest time while "on" almost immediately because you are using such fast acting AAS and you are frontloading. Thanks again bro!

 

[Counterstrike]

Realg. Let me ask you thin b/c i myself don't care for gaining weight but what about his strength? how much did it go up? how much did his bench and squat etc.. go up??????