great addition to any bodybuilders lifestyle...

[calveless wonder]

Maybe this should be in the supplement board, i dont know...but i think its something everyone should know.

I dont know how many of you guys are familiar with Sam-E(natural supplement used in europe to treat depression) but i was told my shrink awhile back to take it to treat depression as opposed to the harsher prescription drugs. Not only did it treat my depression without the sides of prozac, zoloft, wellbutirin, etc...it did in a very short time. This was years and ago i stopped taking it for awhile

However heres the point of the story...Since i have started with AAS depression is something I often have to battle....not to mention potential liver problems and the joint pains (I love winny, i'm sorry). So recently i started taking nature made Sam-E again (400 mg's a day)...and i swear to god, my mind and joints have never felt better. Supposedly it has a very beneficial effect on the liver, but i can't verify this. its not that expensive but you have to find ones with good concentration of Sam-E. It's really a great, and relatively unknown supplement for guys like us and a much better alternative than the drugs the FDA is feeding us. Sam-E by itself is beneficial for your joints but they also make one with glucosamine which would probably be even more beneficial...i'll let you know if i try it


my 2 cents

 

[ColdCut]

What exactly is Sam-E and where have you gotten yours?

 

[Tomo]

Did you give yourself depression with aas. and if so, should you continue --tomo

 

[calveless wonder]

Its a natural occuring chemical in the brain....i dont have any studies offhand but do a search on yahoo and you'll find alot of stuff. This stuff is really a godsend...but make sure you get a good brand like nature made. You can find Sam-e pretty much anywhere...GNC, pharmicies by the vitamin section but they're overpriced. Go to costco and buy a big box..its like 80 tablets for 40 bucks which is about 40 days worth. I say naturemade because some ofthe other brands i've tried contain significantly less amounts of actual Sam-E than others. you can try for yourself though....its been very popular for depression but i think it benefits AAS users far more than the average person. You should feel the benefits within a few days to a week....give it a shot to see what i mean.

 

[calveless wonder]

Did you give yourself depression with aas. and if so, should you continue --tomo

No, i already had bouts with depression prior to it....So i took the Sam-E on and off. I stopped taking it awhile ago though and just recently started again. This is the first time i've taken it while being on and i can honestly say its one of the best things i've ever done. I'm taking winny right now so it's been great for the joints too.


in response to your other question....i think almost everyone suffers at LEAST mild depression from AAS, especially postcycle. We are talking about manipulating your hormone levels here...so thats to be expected. I think the personality most bodybuilders have only contributes to the depression...making it even worse.

BTW I've tried about 4 different anti depressants and while some of them worked, many had side effects. I've taken remeron, wellbuttrin, zoloft and paxil and this is by far the best.

 

[Tomo]

I'm with you my brother I take paxil, but like you, it started before thaas --tomo I'm interested in sam-e due to some libido prblems from paxil. after cycle it's a marriage breaker --tomo

 

[calveless wonder]

I'm with you my brother I take paxil, but like you, it started before thaas --tomo I'm interested in sam-e due to some libido prblems from paxil. after cycle it's a marriage breaker --tomo

give it a try bro.. one of the reasons i created this post is because i know how powerful depression is and especially for guys who live like we do.

take 200 mg's in the morning, 200 mg's in the afternoon. dont take it at night though, it seemed to have an effect on my sleeping patterns when i did but that may only be individual. you can also get the double strength and just take 1 in the morning. hopefully you wont have to take another paxil ever.

look on e-bay or go to www.costco.com to get it at a good price

but dont get the real cheap stuff..