Got stopped by Highway Patrol and they searched my car.......

[Zoomster]

Juice, you are lost on this one.

AS won't stop or reverse wasting.
That is correct, but it will slow it down.

Now, if you knew that your body was wasting, would you want to slow it down?

Besides, the whole point here is that the cop bought the reasoning, as most non-medical, non -AS experts would.

 

[Juice Authority]

Juice, you are lost on this one.

AS won't stop or reverse wasting.
That is correct, but it will slow it down.

Now, if you knew that your body was wasting, would you want to slow it down?

Besides, the whole point here is that the cop bought the reasoning, as most non-medical, non -AS experts would.

Personally I would rather die quickly than prolong the agony. AIDS is a motherfucker. There is no cure. HGH has proven to be 1000(one thousand)x (times) more effective in combating wasting away as AS. Also, AS is a schedule IV controlled substance. This is common knowledge for even the dumbest the dumb including this alleged cop that pulled him over, which I never bought from the beginning.

 

[Zoomster]

Oxandrolone is relatively expensive, with price to wholesalers being $3.75 to $30 per day, depending on dose. This is a fraction of the cost of human growth hormone ($140/day or more to the patient), which is also used to treat this kind of AIDS-related weight loss due to unknown metabolic changes. The FDA approval for weight loss may help with insurance reimbursement. Much less expensive anabolic steroids are also available; some of them may be comparable to oxandrolone, except that they must be injected.

This shows that AS is still used for wasting with AIDS.

I took this from a recent post. Guess there are a lot of dumb of the dumbest out there.

 

[Juice Authority]

Just because studies haven't proven it to be of major use doesn't mean thousands of poor shmucks, faced with the prospect of dying at 80 lbs, haven't used AS and any other drug they can get their hands on to prolong the quality of their lives.
There's a reason that people who say they want to die quickly usually aren't facing some life threatening disease. My guess is Juice Authority is probably under 30.
When I was in my 20's I told everyone who would listen I want to be in perfect health until age 65 then die on the spot. Now that I'm 38 I don't say that much anymore.

I'll be 30 in May. You're right, I don't want to live past 65. I see all the pain my grandparents are going through. One problem after another.

As far AS use for AIDS patients, my point this entire time has been the the use of AS in AIDS treatment is being phased in favor of HGH. Also, there is medical reimbursement for HGH treatment. It is not cost prohibitive for AIDS patients at all. Shit, I buy it for between $450-$550 per kit (6 vials $26 IU's per vial) on the black market. That should last a good three months. I'm almost positive it's even more cost effective if you have a prescription and legitimate reason for using other than for cosmetic purposes.

 

[buffdoc]

OK. As a physician, I can tell you that BOTH GH and AAS (like testosterone and oxandrolone) are currently used in treating AIDS-related wasting, negative nitrogen balance, and weight loss from other chronic diseases, and the use is growing.
Juice "Authority": get your facts straight.
MrSkinny: you seem like a guy that attracts trouble.
It seems like ya'll both need to grow up a little.
Just an assumption from reading your posts on this thread and others.

 

[Juice Authority]

OK. As a physician, I can tell you that BOTH GH and AAS (like testosterone and oxandrolone) are currently used in treating AIDS-related wasting, negative nitrogen balance, and weight loss from other chronic diseases, and the use is growing.
Juice "Authority": get your facts straight.
MrSkinny: you seem like a guy that attracts trouble.
It seems like ya'll both need to grow up a little.
Just an assumption from reading your posts on this thread and others.

I'm done arguing this point especially now that a "physician" is involved. I'm not a MD so I'll stand down. The research I've done on this very topic indicates that AAS is not nearly as effective as GH for AIDS-related wasted and is being phased out in favor of Gh. The info comes from credible sources. Surely the side-effects of AAS on a AIDS patient in the advance stages of his or her illness outweighs the benefits. GH has limited side effects when to compared to AAS. I would be more than happy to point you to those links. So, as a physician, do you advocate the use of AAS for cosmetic purposes?

 

[AustinTX]

I'm done arguing this point especially now that a "physician" is involved. I'm not a MD so I'll stand down. The research I've done on this very topic indicates that AAS is not nearly as effective as GH for AIDS-related wasted and is being phased out in favor of Gh. The info comes from credible sources. Surely the side-effects of AAS on a AIDS patient in the advance stages of his or her illness outweighs the benefits. GH has limited side effects when to compared to AAS. I would be more than happy to point you to those links. So, as a physician, do you advocate the use of AAS for cosmetic purposes?

Hate to bump this topic again, but you asked for my sources even though they were listed originally; the CDC and JAMA, as well as reading many other articles which weren't cited. Add a first hand confirmation from buffdoc to that now too.

Your "credible" source seems to be from an op-ed piece whose writer likely has some sort of non-scientific agenda (or possibly is a GH mfg given some of your other statements) since the closing statement was "I think people should get their muscles the old-fashioned way". Use of first person and opinions not related to data interpretation aren't given in a scientific study or analysis. You and the writer are free to come up with that conclusion, but I belive that the medical community at large, those impacted by HIV, and most of those here do not reach the same conclusion.

Sorry again for the bump people, but I would hate for someone for whom this information is important to think JA's opinions are anything more than one guy's misguided opinion.

 

[bullcocky]

This happened about three or four years ago. I was driving with my friend and two cops were set up with a speedtrap. The first cop tagged my friend and a cop further up the road tried to flag us down. The car was unmarked so we didn't slow down. As we got closer the cop moved into the highway and put his hands in the air.
Damn bastard we almost took him out (that would have been worth 200pts atleast) hahaha he dived out of the way and we still weren't positive it was a cop. The highway was desolate and it was late so we weren't about to stop for some guy in the middle of nowhere that drove a big black sedan.
The cop comes racing up behing us in his car and pulled us over. Within 30 seconds he had my friend in cuffs and was screaming at us saying he was goign to charge him with wreckles driving and along with some endangerment. I can't even really remember.
They run my friends name of course he has a criminal record so (two cop cars at this point) they decide to search the car. As they look into my Fanny pack (my personal storage locker) they find 20 vials of primo or sust. I can't even remember. He asked what they were and I told him that I (I did this same thing before with a pharmacist) had aids and nobody knew. He went from bad cop to good cop in seconds. He felt so shitty, that he let us go without even a warning.
Talk aboit dumb luck

This story is a load of BULLSHIT!

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: Re: Got stopped by Highway Patrol and they searched my car.......

This story is a load of BULLSHIT!

Amen to that Bro!!! I don't how we went from there to this caldron of debate about the effectiveness of AAS for AIDS patients.

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: Re: Re: Got stopped by Highway Patrol and they searched my car.......

Amen to that Bro!!! I don't know how we went from there to this caldron of debate about the effectiveness of AAS for AIDS patients.