Got some powdered r-ala today

[Frackal]

got it today....I defintely like the r better than the racemic and I'm going to try some higher doses of the r, around 3-400mg per meal to see what happens, I have a feeling I'll go hypo when I use that much but we'll see...

I also asked for a certificate of analysis which I recieved here, I'm getting a copy mailed to me as well....

 

[Canuck4]

How your planning on measuring the R-ala amount?
Are you gonna manually cap them?

 

[Frackal]

Right now I'm going to use my old beyond a century ala scooper thats 250mg as soon as I can find it

 

[Canuck4]

Right now I'm going to use my old beyond a century ala scooper thats 250mg as soon as I can find it

Cool. Post a link if you can of where you got it.
So you just throw the scoop of powder in your mouth?
Sounds alot cheaper than caps.
How much did it cost you for the powder?

 

[Frackal]

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[Canuck4]

Right now I'm going to use my old beyond a century ala scooper thats 250mg as soon as I can find it

I cant find that ala scooper anywhere. Can you give me a link?

 

[Frackal]

Well mine was from a mostly empty bottle of beyond a century racemic ala that I had been using along with nutriteams earlier, I'm assuming the molecular weight of each is pretty close if not identical since they are mirror images.

 

[TraxZBT]

let the R-ALA PRICE WARS BEGIN!!!!!!

 

[Canuck4]

let the R-ALA PRICE WARS BEGIN!!!!!!

No doubt.
Time for the price to drop.

 

[Fonz]

Don't mean to be doubting you, buty thats VERy hard to believe.

Even ******** over at A's board can only get it for $1450/Kg

So, $1000/Kg? I need proof.

Fonz

 

[SOLID]

Don't mean to be doubting you, buty thats VERy hard to believe.

Even ******** over at A's board can only get it for $1450/Kg

So, $1000/Kg? I need proof.

Fonz

that is the only other guy I know selling it besides the AF store, I was wondering the same thing? How can it be so cheap?

 

[Ulter]

That's what I thought. That r-ALA is the same Chinese r-ALA we had tested here last June. The certificate he has is FROM THE SAME LAB THAT MADE IT IN CHINA. It is 80% pure not 99%. And there is no way to use HPLC to measure the optical rotation of ALA. I hope he didn't buy too much.

There won't be any price wars over that stuff. In fact there won't be any price wars at all.

 

[Ulter]

And one more thing. The 80% is r-ALA, the rest?? you guessed it, is s-ALA.

 

[Canuck4]

That's what I thought. That r-ALA is the same Chinese r-ALA we had tested here last June. The certificate he has is FROM THE SAME LAB THAT MADE IT IN CHINA. It is 80% pure not 95%.

There won't be any price wars over that stuff. In fact there won't be any price wars at all.

Why not?
For a $1 a G of R-ala is alot cheaper than 1g caps for $19.95.
If this comes out legit though.

 

[Ulter]

This is RACEMIC ALA. If you don't remove the s-ALA from the ALA you will still have racemic. We saw this stuff when we were first looking for sources. It has more r than s but it's not r-ALA. this an r "heavy" mixture.. but IMHO NOT pure r-ala.

 

[Ulter]

Why not?
For a $1 a G of R-ala is alot cheaper than 1g caps for $19.95.
If this comes out legit though.

AF r-ALA is 10 grams not 1 gram.

 

[Canuck4]

I see.
So its not straight R-ala.
Thats why its so cheap.

 

[Ulter]

There are two ways to make r-ALA one is synthesis and one is extraction. The Chinese labs we talked to said they used synthesis but the truth was they used extraction which will only yield 80-20. When we sent their sample to the lab, after they said it was 99.3%, it came back 80-20. So we passed on it.

 

[HighIntensity]

ulter what is yours?

99 percent

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

LOL

 

[Ulter]

Ours is consistantly in the upper 90's. The latest batch will be back by Friday from the testing lab in California. I expect it to be just like the rest. We test each small batch because if it is not properly shipped and stored it will degrade very quickly before it's capped.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Ours is consistantly in the upper 90's. The latest batch will be back by Friday from the testing lab in California. I expect it to be just like the rest. We test each small batch because if it is not properly shipped and stored it will degrade very quickly before it's capped.

Ulter, babe, you are about to experience the same thing I went through in the early '90s with melatonin. Originally, there was only one lab in the world that could make pharmaceutical grade melatonin. After the market was created... bathtub manufacturers popped up everywhere making a non pharmaceutical grade product. Cheapo grade will soon flood the market. It doesn't matter if your product is superior. The cheapos are going to get SKU... and pretty soon somebody will up grade the cheapos to 99.9% pure so that they can hold onto their SKU once the market wises up.

 

[grafix-GNC]

fuck it, beyond-a-centruy has ala for $15 for 50 grams, i dont care if its r-ALA or not

 

[Ulter]

SofaGeorge, No one wants the price of r-ALA to drop more than we do. But right now the method of making it is patented and only the few labs licensed to make it, can. I know everyone is sick of hearing this but we don't make crap on the r-ALA at $19.95.
Also, there is a lot more than making it to be concerned with. The reason most companies won't touch it is that it degrades to fast if it's not handled properly and to handle it properly you have to have special equipment, like cermaic plates instead of steel and on and on. What is going to happen is that the bootleggers will poison the well. They will tell people they are getting r-ALA and it's not, then people won't get the results they want and blame the r-ALA.

 

[myasshurts]

OK I'm sorry but this is total BS. Just because it comes from the same company does not mean it is the same stuff. Ask Frackal. He took 750mg and his blood sugar was floored and he had ABSOLUTELY NO HEARTBURN! As for the price, I don't know how familiar you all are with chemistry, but it does not cost $1400 to make a kg of very many things, and R-ALA is not one of them. I know you like the mods, and I am sure for the most part they great people, but keep in mind they are just a litttle biased on this subject.

 

[SOLID]

Good info Ulter.

 

[Fonz]

OK I'm sorry but this is total BS. Just because it comes from the same company does not mean it is the same stuff. Ask Frackal. He took 750mg and his blood sugar was floored and he had ABSOLUTELY NO HEARTBURN! As for the price, I don't know how familiar you all are with chemistry, but it does not cost $1400 to make a kg of very many things, and R-ALA is not one of them. I know you like the mods, and I am sure for the most part they great people, but keep in mind they are just a litttle biased on this subject.

Interesting yet untrue.

******** over at A's board can only get r-ala for $1450/Kg
and he sells BULK everything, and his purchasing power is much bigger than ****

Test it independently and lets see. I(nor probably anyway here)
will believe a chinese assay in a million years.

Fonz

 

[Frackal]

Hmmm....well I don't know what to say about this...I did take 3 250mg scoops last night as a test and did not eat any carbs for about an hour afterwards....I noticed that about 10-15 min after taking it I got dizzy and that increased until I felt really out of it and had a headache so drank 6 cups of skim milk and 2 scoops of whey and it subsided...I have a couple caps of nutriteam racemic ala and I taste tested the two to compare, nutriteams is noticeably harsher and burns alot more.... other than that factor is there any way to tell the difference from taste?

As far as the lab assay, I had taken it at face value, you guys seem to know more, I dont know one way or another...I guess an independent US lab test will be the only 100% proof....

What is the best way to store it? I've been storing it in a airfree plastic bag wrapped up and placed inside a closed plastic jar...

 

[Ulter]

In the fridge bro.

 

[Ulter]

While you're figuring out what a killing AF is making you might want to consider all the things you haven't figured into our costs.

Product Liablity Insurance. You know in case someone gets sick on the product. how many fly-by nighters have this?

Credit card fees. The percentage Visa, MC Amer Ex all take off the top of the purchase.

That banner on the top of the board. It's not free. Of course that does not apply to others.

Hosting fee's, Phone lines, board rental, shipping supplies, labels, printed material, oh and lets just for grins say that we want to pay someone who works at AF.

Taxes

And after all that show a profit.

 

[myasshurts]

according to the assay the R-ALA is 99%, and is NOT racemic. I would like to ask anyone to please provide evidence before they make such claims.