got in an argument a bout mental illness and stuff like ADD, ADHD, bi-polar disease....

[biteme]

It's like trying to explain chemistry to a gorilla.

 

[velvett]

**this thread was not created to debate about god.**

got in an argument with a young girl about mental issues...in a nutshell she said that you can control them and god can fix them and that you dont need drugs to fix them. im not talkin about how you handle regular stuff, but shit like ADD, Bi-Polar disease, she said its all in your head...and that taking drugs for it is dumb....so funny, especially since she smokes and drinks.

boy, I'd love to hear what she says about gay people being "gay"




...and yet another waste of life using up the valuable resources of the earth, she'll probably be breeder too...

 

[javaguru]

Re: got in an argument a bout mental illness and stuff like ADD, ADHD, bi-polar disea

boy, I'd love to hear what she says about gay people being "gay"




...and yet another waste of life using up the valuable resources of the earth, she'll probably be breeder too...

Ex-gf...her best friend is gay and she believes 100% that homosexuality is purely choice because the Bible says it is(homosexuality is an "affront to God") ......coming from someone with a BS in Biology with a minor in Chemistry.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Re: got in an argument a bout mental illness and stuff like ADD, ADHD, bi-polar disea

Calveless Wonder's post is good. I had bad ocd pretty much all through my teens and for the last four years or so was on prozac, prescribed for three/day but eventually took four when I still had symptoms. I think it helped me out of the worst and gave me some much needed mental/cognitive footing, since at a young age you don't know what's going on. I'd hate to have to resort to it now though, even for depression. I tried taking some again a few years after I stopped it and it just made me tired. For behavioral illnesses it seems drugs are best just used as a temporary stepping stone to recovery. For other, more serious illnesses (alzheimers, epilepsy, etc.) I think they are needed, at least until there is biological proof that they aren't.

 

[Nathan]

What a fucking moron. People have said that to me and I wanted to fucking deck them. In fact, their lucky I didn't after the shit I went through as a kid. Tell her she's an insensitive bitch.

 

[Nathan]

Re: got in an argument a bout mental illness and stuff like ADD, ADHD, bi-polar disea

first of all, i have ADHD, mild OCD and am prone to depression/anxiety.

2nd of all, not sure about the whole god thing, but she does have a point.
the drugs are an easy way out for alot of these things and people want a quick fix. the core problem is never corrected. cognitive and behavioral therapy address the ROOT of these things.

fact is....most depression is created because of unhealthy thought patterns and beliefs. It's often not pure biologically driven and more of a cognitive, unconcious thing. However when you're depressed for a prolonged state, it does in fact affect your internal biology. I believe drugs do serve a purpose, but are not the end all and wayyyyy over prescribed.

i've lingered back and before between anti depression meds, and ADHD drugs. And to me...they're mostly all crap in that they fix one problem and create another. To handle my ADHD ive just learned about organization, cognitive thinking patterns (i.e. when im losing focus) and a little bit of caffeine helps. Adderrall and ritalin make me feel like shit and i crash badly. you stop taking them and you feel miserable. i have zero personality on them which is ok if i was just studying, reading and typing on the computer all day..
For depression, positive beliefs, mastering your internal voice and a little SAM-E supplementation go along way. SSRI's take away your fuckin sex drive....who wants to be happy and not be able to get it up? I rather deal with it on my own

Since i've gotten very into psychology as a hobby it has completely changed the way i view mental illness and how it can be overcome. if more people did the same, there would be alot more happier people

I used to think like that. How old are you? It took me a while of getting to know myself a little bit better, but you will learn that what you are saying isn't entirely true. And if you don't, I'm of the opinion that your problems were either never that severe or you won't ever be in a similar situation to whatever caused the problem in teh first place.

I reverted for the first time in ten years recently. I was told it happens but didn't see it coming like that. I got on top of it within months due to the sort of thing you are saying - I know myself a lot better and that DEFINITELY helped. Is it completely a bad thing falling into this sort of thing? Not really - in about a 6-8 month period I published two papers, got two bodybuilding contests done, wrote and defended my thesis. I got productive but I went nuts. Anxiety is a tricky thing if you ask me and it's a byproduct of your environment.

Try med school or something really stressful and if you're prone to anxiety problems, they'll crop up again in one form or another. It changes over time, toggles between OCD, social anxiety, generalized anxiety, etc. The brain is fucking incredible and I don't care who you are, it will take you at least a lifetime to master it.

 

[Mr. dB]

At least it wasn't one of those assholes who claim that ADD/ADHD doesn't exist.

 

[mamaj]

**this thread was not created to debate about god.**

got in an argument with a young girl about mental issues...in a nutshell she said that you can control them and god can fix them and that you dont need drugs to fix them. im not talkin about how you handle regular stuff, but shit like ADD, Bi-Polar disease, she said its all in your head...and that taking drugs for it is dumb....so funny, especially since she smokes and drinks.

Not every person with these issues needs meds but some definitely do to function!

 

[hyp1]

Re: got in an argument a bout mental illness and stuff like ADD, ADHD, bi-polar disea

psychiatric medications do help some people,to automatically jump to the conclusion that they're not needed by anyone is a huge fucking leap of faith.......along the lines of becoming a goddamned scientologist or even worse a christian science fanatic that won't accept any medical treatment of any kind.

fucking fundamentalists of any kind have their heads so far up their asses they can't breathe in my opinion.

 

[calveless wonder]

Re: got in an argument a bout mental illness and stuff like ADD, ADHD, bi-polar disea

Calveless (SP?) - what, if any, book did you read about psychology - specifically about developing healthy thought patterns, internal voice, etc?

Also, are you gay?

Lots of Tony robbins stuff... google his books and programs. he's the man.

some of the books im mentioning are kind of spirtual as well but relate directly to psychology. all awesome books...there are quite a few more but these are all very good

"the 4 agreements" - Don miguel riuz
"Feal the fear and do it anyways" - Susan jeffers
"17 lies that are holding you back and the truth that will set you free" - Steve chandler
"frogs into princes" - Richard bandler and some other dude
"Psychology of acheivement" - Brian Tracy
"the power of Now" - Eckhart Tolle
almost anything by Dr. Wayne Dyer

anything by Robert Greene (48 laws of power, art of seduction)

and yes, totally gay...but only on tuesdays