Got a D.U.I. lastnight...

[hardrock]

Really disappointed in myself. Here's how it went down.

We were leaving the bar when one of my friends started getting into a fight in the parking lot. Like always I tried to break the shit up. SO then this jackass he was about to smash starts talking shit to me. I tell him to chill and he starts really talking some shit. So I tell him to shut his fucking mouth and the bastard comes at me. So I drop the dude and start wailed on him a few time as he kept coming back. So during this everyone pretty much started leaving before the cops show up and my friend and I lost our ride. He had driven there and planned on riding home with someone else. So we head for his car but he can't drive. He's way more drunk than I and already has 2 dui's. I figure fuck it, it's only about a mile down the road where we're headed to. I get half way there and get pulled over. So after all the bullshit the bastards wouldn't even let me make a phonecall and they said I refused their offer to call my attourney. WTF kind of shit is that? I just wanted to call my gf to let her know I was ok. The bitch said she'd do it and of coarse never did. Finally got released this morning.

Good thing is this is my first and I have a perfect driving record. I was supposed to have a BBQ with a keg and fireworks tomorrow night, but right now I don't feel like celebrating anything at all.

Like I said I disapointed in myself. That and the fact that I let my girlfriend and mom down.

 

[wootoom]

sorry to hear that bro. everything will be alright. been in that position before. i got a lawyer and got off with a careless driving charge. it cost me an arm and a leg though.

 

[BradG]

Hey man, tough luck. Didn't give you a phone call huh? That's interesting. Don't do away with the BBQ and keg. You don't have to celebrat to eat and drink!

 

[FISHTALES]

get a good lawyer so you can get out of it...

 

[Y_lifter]

Did they at least give you some Anal batton action ?

 

[wootoom]

hey lifter they always try to do that to me in the cooler but i get really crazy.

 

[rushx79]

talk to matt, he knows a great lawyer that works cheap.

 

[Y_lifter]

hey lifter they always try to do that to me in the cooler but i get really crazy.

Hey, it worked for Rambo.. why not

 

[daveyboy]

That sucks for sure but don't feel too bad....lots of people get them ....myself included. They end up hitting you harder in the wallet than anywhere else.

 

[UA_Iron]

if you were in California here's some things you could expect:

1200-2000$$ in fines
License suspended up to a year
3 month DUI program (nearly 400$)
Community Service


good thing no one was injured, then you'd be in another level of shit.

 

[string_bean00]

Sorry to hear that dude. Things will work out. Why did your ride bail on you?

 

[toga22]

Sure sounds like you had a rough night!!

Don't be too hard on yourself though. Just because you got a DWI doesn't make you a bad person, a lot of people in all walks of life get them. And as far as your planned celebration goes...I would say go for it!! I am sure that you can find lots of things in your life worth celebrating. The next few months are going to be long, and expensive..but by Christmas time it will all be behind you. Keep your chin up and hang in there!!

 

[jay1]

Did you take the breathalyzer test ? Because you might be able to beat it if you didnt breathe.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Chin up orb........these things will pass.

 

[BradG]

I agree with toga. Have a good time. You will have plenty of time later to contimplate your actions/mistakes/etc.

 

[bulldog3434]

Did you take the breathalyzer test ? Because you might be able to beat it if you didnt breathe.

dude, this is so wrong. you shouldn't be able to get out of these kinds of things on technicalities. if you drive drunk, then you need to face the consequences. my ex girl's best friend died because a drunk driver hit her, and there's no excuse to drive drunk. if you drink, then don't drive, its that simple. i think the laws should be so much stiffer than they are, and you shouldn't be able to get out on these stupid technicalities that so many people get out on. i guess this is just one of those things that i feel so strongly about because it hits close to home

 

[monsterstud]

Sounds like a bad night all around Hardrock.Bummer. At least you live pretty close to work. Your going to be a bike commuter all star now. Word....

 

[Razorguns]

ALWAYS refuse the breathalyzer or anything else.

Sure it's a mandatory jail and tow. But at least you won't get convicted of DUI in court cuz there's nothing to prove it. Trust me, the cops will do EVERYTHING to scare you to submit. Even coerce you and shit. DON'T fall for it. The cops do everything they can to make the public believe the myth that people can be convicted for DUI by sitting in their cars and refusing to do anything. By common logic and any lawyer can tell you upfront as well -- the logistics of that impossible.

 

[jay1]

dude, this is so wrong. you shouldn't be able to get out of these kinds of things on technicalities. if you drive drunk, then you need to face the consequences. my ex girl's best friend died because a drunk driver hit her, and there's no excuse to drive drunk. if you drink, then don't drive, its that simple. i think the laws should be so much stiffer than they are, and you shouldn't be able to get out on these stupid technicalities that so many people get out on. i guess this is just one of those things that i feel so strongly about because it hits close to home

Sorry to hear that. Thats why I never drive to the club and if noone else will drive then I just wont go.

 

[UA_Iron]

ALWAYS refuse the breathalyzer or anything else.

Sure it's a mandatory jail and tow. But at least you won't get convicted of DUI in court cuz there's nothing to prove it. Trust me, the cops will do EVERYTHING to scare you to submit. Even coerce you and shit. DON'T fall for it. The cops do everything they can to make the public believe the myth that people can be convicted for DUI by sitting in their cars and refusing to do anything. By common logic and any lawyer can tell you upfront as well -- the logistics of that impossible.

wrong, along with the mandatory jail and tow you'll get at least a one year mandatory suspension on your license. The laws arent stupid, prohibition groups like MADD arent stupid, this type of thing doesnt get passed people.

at least if your license gets suspended you'll have a really good chance of getting a provisional license where you can drive to and from work.

 

[jay1]

My boy didnt breathe and he just beat his case. They didnt have enough witnesses to his refusal to breathe. So I wouldnt breathe, if you know you've been drinking why give them solid proof ?

 

[Razorguns]

> you'll get at least a one year mandatory suspension on your license

And a DUI won't???

Sure you *may* not get a provisional license (i would think you could fight that and get it with a good lawyer) but at LEAST you'll never have *D.U.I.* on your record. Hence no extreme insurance sanctions down the road.

Not to mention aggravated punishment if you get caught again ("this is the defendent's 2nd DUI in 2 years -- 2 years jail, blah blah").

Many lawyers have looked at the laws, and will tell you -- you have a MUCH better case FIGHTING the system by being in a position where the state has NO proof of yoru DUI. You can always argue that you REFUSE to submit to anything w/o your legal right to seek a lawyer. Which is a valid point.

Refusing to blow doesn't PROVE you're drunk. It just means you are ..well...refusing to blow.

I think MattTheSkywalker went through this whole process once.

 

[UA_Iron]

I'll ask my lawyer about this. I am pretty sure they will find a way to f*ck you.

You can get a DUI and your license never be suspended...happened to me.

 

[beefybull]

I got one recently myself... refused to blow. Turns out that is an "automatic admission of guilt" or something. I'm probably going to lose my license for a year, $800-1500 fine, 0-2 days in jail, and possibly a 3-session Drug & Alcohol Class.

I'm normally not one to drink and drive. I'd done a *bunch* of tequila shots like a dumbass and I'm a big guy so it hadnt hit me when I started driving. I had to drive about 3 miles and thought I'd be cool to go there, handle my shit and come back, then not drive the rest of the night. However, it hit me as I was driving thru residential hoods. Ended up going down a 2 lane one-way into oncoming traffic and swerving off the road to avoid hitting people and went up over a curb & grass so fast I cracked a rim (tire did not pop tho) and the car landed in a parking lot. I stumbled out and was like blanking out as I was talking to these people. One guy says "that security guy is calling the cops". Cops get there in like 2 minutes b/c its downtown and I get busted. I'm sure I talked to the cops but cant remember saying anything to them but "I'm cooool. I'm coooooool" (like Wil Ferrell in "Old School" when he gets shot with the tranq dart).

 

[Motivation]

I got one recently myself... refused to blow. Turns out that is an "automatic admission of guilt" or something. I'm probably going to lose my license for a year, $800-1500 fine, 0-2 days in jail, and possibly a 3-session Drug & Alcohol Class.

I'm normally not one to drink and drive. I'd done a *bunch* of tequila shots like a dumbass and I'm a big guy so it hadnt hit me when I started driving. I had to drive about 3 miles and thought I'd be cool to go there, handle my shit and come back, then not drive the rest of the night. However, it hit me as I was driving thru residential hoods. Ended up going down a 2 lane one-way into oncoming traffic and swerving off the road to avoid hitting people and went up over a curb & grass so fast I cracked a rim (tire did not pop tho) and the car landed in a parking lot. I stumbled out and was like blanking out as I was talking to these people. One guy says "that security guy is calling the cops". Cops get there in like 2 minutes b/c its downtown and I get busted. I'm sure I talked to the cops but cant remember saying anything to them but "I'm cooool. I'm coooooool" (like Wil Ferrell in "Old School" when he gets shot with the tranq dart).

did you make the news?

 

[Lestat]

Sorry to hear this man.

Its not the end of the world, right now it seems like it is, and sure its not good news at all. But everyone fucks up like this, you live, you learn, life goes on. This will cost you some time and money in the short term, but just learn from it and chalk it up as an expensive lesson.

I'd suggest getting a good DUI attorney. It will cost you, but it could save you some long term headache.

 

[chewyxrage]

Get a lawyer ASAP and get him to goto court for a permit to drive for work. If you work it out right you can get the permit before your liscense gets suspended for the DUI so it won't interupt your life as much. You need a letter from your employer, too (which is the shitty part) For my permit I was able to drive from 5 am to 9 pm which was sweet....I just went straight to the gym after work by taking a roundabout way so if I was to get pulled over it would appear I was driving home.

All of you people who are saying "Don't blow to get out of it" - there is more to it than that. You have to refuse the field sobriety test as well. Normally they will give the field test first, then once they determine you're drunk they will ask you to blow.

Just refuse everything and you will get off in trial. They will have nothing but you will lose your liscense for refusing (I lost it for 6 months for refusing) because driving is considered a privlige.

 

[hardrock]

Called off the BBQ. Don't feel much like partying, not to mention my wallet is in my buddy's gf's car. I went to the lot to get my wallet and she had beat me there by 10 minutes. I can't get ahold of my buddy so I can't get ahold of her. I don't even know where their new place is, just thats it's over an hour away.

Worst 4th weekend ever. Hopefully Labor day comes out a little better

 

[chewyxrage]

keep your head up I know exactly how you feel

 

[Gambino]

ALWAYS refuse the breathalyzer or anything else.

Sure it's a mandatory jail and tow. But at least you won't get convicted of DUI in court cuz there's nothing to prove it. Trust me, the cops will do EVERYTHING to scare you to submit. Even coerce you and shit. DON'T fall for it. The cops do everything they can to make the public believe the myth that people can be convicted for DUI by sitting in their cars and refusing to do anything. By common logic and any lawyer can tell you upfront as well -- the logistics of that impossible.

BULLSHIT Refusing is the wrong way to go...I did that...they got a warrant for a blood test...refusal in Michigan is a automatic 6 points, plus the DUI charge...not a good idea to refuse...

Hardrock, I got one bro, they suck...better to get popped as opposed to getting in a accident...my bro just got his 3rd a few days ago...not good.

 

[big_bad_buff]

Yep, it’s the worst feeling. Just try to forget about it and do your time. If you’re smart a year or so from now you’ll look back and think, man that fucking sucked, never again!

Your house was only a mile away, but better a DUI than hitting a late night jogger or even someone hitting you.

I got one. I had two beers and got pulled over for going 9 over 30 min after the two beers. I was fine, I was the designated driver. The cop said I past all the sobriety tests fine(he even told 2 of my friends this)l. He knew I wasn’t drunk, just wanted to be a cock about it. then he wrote on the ticket that I was swaying back and forth and couldn’t stand a straight line lol, I was so pissed...cost me $5000 and no driving for 3 months….and it get’s taken of my record in about a year now if I don’t get another one(my lawyer said you can get a dui here for just smelling like alcohol)

Worst part about it is all the $100 classes here and there, just pissed me off more because I wasn’t even drunk, I’ve never driven drunk, it’s like one of the stupidest things you can do

 

[UA_Iron]

Yeah the penalties are harsh. But the crap will pass eventually. Dont let it get you down. It could have been worse, and luckily it wasnt. I guess its a tough learning experience, but once this is said and done you wont want to drink and drive again, and you'll do it for the right reasons.

 

[hardrock]

Thanks to everyone for their advice and nice words.

 

[wootoom]

hey Gambino your absolutely right. refusing is the worst thing you can do. my buddy did that and got a lawyer and didnt even get off. i got one and i blew and got off it.

 

[REBEL]

Man, I've been through it and it sucks. First of, know your state law. My state you can refuse to blowand get an automatic suspension, but no DUI(nothing to prove it). If your OK, take the field test, and refuse the breathalizer(sp). The field test is taped and your lawyer gets a copy. If you pass it you will get off on the DUI charge, but still sus. license. Don't believe everyone who says it will be over soon. That shit will hang with you for years. The next year expect to spent at least $5,000 depending on how much you spend on council. Insurance rates will hurt if you have a nice car, AND you have to watch it from now on when you go out. Before I got mine I didn't have a care in the world when I went out, now I can't even have fun thinking about who is going to drive, and shit like that. In my state, if you let someone drive a car when you know that person was drunk, you both can get DUI's. Good luck, it will pass, but will be a headache for a while.

 

[beefybull]

did you make the news?

Thankfully no. Had a pipe in the car but they didnt find it and luckily had given my last roach away to this chick at a fast food restaurant for hookin it up.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

My boy didnt breathe and he just beat his case. They didnt have enough witnesses to his refusal to breathe. So I wouldnt breathe, if you know you've been drinking why give them solid proof ?

This country's legal system is so fucked up, it's like playing a game with the defendant's life. No logic at all. Think about it: you're drunk-you know it and the cops definitely know it, but you can still get out of it because there's no "proof". WTF

Not a dis to anyone, as I've driven somewhat drunk before like 99.9% of everyone else who ever drank.
Just disgusted by the legal system.

It is becoming the downfall of this country.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

ALWAYS refuse the breathalyzer or anything else.

Sure it's a mandatory jail and tow. But at least you won't get convicted of DUI in court cuz there's nothing to prove it. Trust me, the cops will do EVERYTHING to scare you to submit. Even coerce you and shit. DON'T fall for it. The cops do everything they can to make the public believe the myth that people can be convicted for DUI by sitting in their cars and refusing to do anything. By common logic and any lawyer can tell you upfront as well -- the logistics of that impossible.

BULLSHIT!

do NOT give out advice like this Razorguns. you're smarter than that, so i'm wondering why you'd give out advice like this that could DEFINETLY fuck someone over.

there's a lot of states where refusal to submit to blood or breathalyzer or even feild sobriety test is an AUTOMATIC conviction. in some states, your penalties are determined by your actual blood alcohol, and refusal to submit to a test means you automatically screwed yourself with the maximum penalties. i fucked up once myself and got a DUI, was accepted into a first time offender's program, and only had a 4 month license suspension as opposed to 6 for my blood alcohol level (and if i would've been living in state at the time, i probably would've done community service and had my suspension knocked down to 2 months.). plus if i would have refused blood and breath tests, my chances to enter the first time offender's program would've gone right out the window.

know what that first time offender's program did for me? the DUI was erased from my record. completely. it NEVER showed up on insurance reports when they checked the DMV records. nothing. if i had taken your advice, i'd have a DUI perminetly on my record.

my advice if you get a DUI - suck it the fuck up. be a man, take your punishment, learn your lesson. don't do it again. no one is perfect, everyone fucks up here and there. live and learn. don't cry about the fines and the license suspension, loss of job, whatever. when you drink and drive, you fuck yourself and could possibly kill someone else.

 

[chewyxrage]

BULLSHIT!

do NOT give out advice like this Razorguns. you're smarter than that, so i'm wondering why you'd give out advice like this that could DEFINETLY fuck someone over.

there's a lot of states where refusal to submit to blood or breathalyzer or even feild sobriety test is an AUTOMATIC conviction. in some states, your penalties are determined by your actual blood alcohol, and refusal to submit to a test means you automatically screwed yourself with the maximum penalties. i fucked up once myself and got a DUI, was accepted into a first time offender's program, and only had a 4 month license suspension as opposed to 6 for my blood alcohol level (and if i would've been living in state at the time, i probably would've done community service and had my suspension knocked down to 2 months.). plus if i would have refused blood and breath tests, my chances to enter the first time offender's program would've gone right out the window.

know what that first time offender's program did for me? the DUI was erased from my record. completely. it NEVER showed up on insurance reports when they checked the DMV records. nothing. if i had taken your advice, i'd have a DUI perminetly on my record.

my advice if you get a DUI - suck it the fuck up. be a man, take your punishment, learn your lesson. don't do it again. no one is perfect, everyone fucks up here and there. live and learn. don't cry about the fines and the license suspension, loss of job, whatever. when you drink and drive, you fuck yourself and could possibly kill someone else.

Dude - you don't automatically fuck yourself by not blowing. As you can tell from all the different posts, every state is different. I refused to blow and it was NOT an automatic conviction. It can be the best thing for yourself depending on the circumstance

 

[Longhorn85]

BULLSHIT!
my advice if you get a DUI - suck it the fuck up. be a man, take your punishment, learn your lesson. don't do it again. no one is perfect, everyone fucks up here and there. live and learn. don't cry about the fines and the license suspension, loss of job, whatever. when you drink and drive, you fuck yourself and could possibly kill someone else.

Best advice I've seen. You must learn from this and move on. Might want to find some new friends to hang out with too.

 

[chewyxrage]

Might want to find some new friends to hang out with too.

Sure- blaming others always works

 

[Buddy_Christ]

Dude - you don't automatically fuck yourself by not blowing. As you can tell from all the different posts, every state is different. I refused to blow and it was NOT an automatic conviction. It can be the best thing for yourself depending on the circumstance

ChewY - re-read my post. i did not say all states, i said some states. Razorguns was not specific, he made a broad statement to not submit to blood alcohol tests.

the second best thing to do is to know your state laws.

the BEST thing to do, however, is to NOT DRIVE DRUNK.

yes, i've had a DUI, learned the hard way. it's not like i'm on my soapbox preaching. been there, done that, learned my lesson, moved on.

and about the friends thing.....yeah, actually, find some new friends that won't leave you when you've been promised a DD. not an excuse by any means, there's always cabs and in some places public transportation, but if someone promises to be your DD and they bail on you, they weren't doing their job as a friend.

 

[Gambino]

Dude - you don't automatically fuck yourself by not blowing. As you can tell from all the different posts, every state is different. I refused to blow and it was NOT an automatic conviction. It can be the best thing for yourself depending on the circumstance

Like I said before, refusal allows them to get a warrant for a blood test, at least in Michigan...I'd be surprised if Illinoios was any different

 

[big_bad_buff]

i thought in almost every state if you refuse then your drivers license automatically gets yanked for 90 days

 

[chewyxrage]

Like I said before, refusal allows them to get a warrant for a blood test, at least in Michigan...I'd be surprised if Illinoios was any different

Apparently it is - I wasen't forced to take a blood test

 

[chewyxrage]

i thought in almost every state if you refuse then your drivers license automatically gets yanked for 90 days

it's different everywhere. in illinois it's 6 months

 

[MaGilicuti]

get a good lawyer so you can get out of it...

how do you get out of dui? only thing you can do is plea bargain.

i wouldn't be so much disappointed in myself for disappointing my girl and my mom, i'd be pissed at how much $$$ its gonna cost.

 

[[email protected]]

My dad got a DUI but he got a good lawyer (nice State Trooper) too. He had to take some driving school classes as well. He got it reduced to a reckless driving. Cost him some major coin though.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

hardrock,

I got arrested for DUI, and I spent over $22,000 on defense. I won. I hired a lawyer, engineers, got to learn the workings of the breath test device, understood what roadside tests are admissible and which are not, etc. I won despite a .17 BAC.

My point is

I am extremely knowledgeable about this stuff .

I probably know more than most lawyers, since I have more resources than they do to fight these things, and in my day job I supervise about 25 of them.

So if you have any questions or just want some free advice that is based on fighting the state and preparing and winning at trial, let me know. I will help you.

One last thing: welcome to the club.

 

[manny78]

hardrock,

I got arrested for DUI, and I spent over $22,000 on defense. I won. I hired a lawyer, enginers, got to learnt eh workings of the breath test device, understood what roadside tests are admissible and which are not, etc. I won despite a .17 BAC

My point is

I am extremely knowledgeable about this stuff .

I probably know more than most lawyers, since I have more resources than they do to fight these things, and in my day job I supervise about 25 of them.

So if you have any questions or just want some free advice that is based on fighting the state and preparing and winning at trial, let me know. I will help you.

One last thing: welcome to the club.

I hope you did it cause DUI is a felony in your state cause otherwise I can't see why...

 

[MaGilicuti]

i've got every violation in a accept for DUI thank god. i don't tend to ever get it either. it would seriously hurt my wallet and i'm sick of working for nothing

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I hope you did it cause DUI is a felony in your state cause otherwise I can't see why...

too much to lose with a conviction.

sometimes things get taken for granted.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

too much to lose with a conviction.

sometimes things get taken for granted.

should've thought about how much you had to lose before you got behind the wheel....

i hear ya on the too much to lose part though. my last 2 years in the Marine Corps were totally fucked because of my DUI. promotion? what promotion? we're all human and we make mistakes, you'll pay the price for yours and life will go on, right? wrong. every which way i turned i got fucked. then i was told that people were doing me "favors" when they weren't doing a fucking thing except following standard procedures outlined by what the current marine corps order was on how to treat alcohol related incidents. after that DUI, they were looking for ways to fuck me over, and set me up into positions to just screw with me more.

2 months or so after i got my DUI, a butter bar in my unit got one. he blew right at the state's legal limit, .08. he was at the bar with guys from his platoon, a fight broke out in the bar, they all got the hell out of there, and he had 4 or 5 of them pile into his car because you just don't want to be involved PERIOD in those situations, even if you're a bystander, the military will still try to fuck you over if they feel like it. not 200 yards after pulling out of the bar he was pulled over and arrested. i know he got it a lot worse than i did, as he was forced to leave our unit less than a month later (and had only been with us for about 2 months).

 

[NJRipped]

BULLSHIT!

there's a lot of states where refusal to submit to blood or breathalyzer or even feild sobriety test is an AUTOMATIC conviction. .

What state(s)?

 

[Buddy_Christ]

i know PA for certain, as that's where i live. not sure what other ones. just check with your state DMV.

or wait, here's a better idea....don't drink and drive.

 

[Gambino]

hardrock,

I got arrested for DUI, and I spent over $22,000 on defense. I won. I hired a lawyer, engineers, got to learn the workings of the breath test device, understood what roadside tests are admissible and which are not, etc. I won despite a .17 BAC.

My point is

I am extremely knowledgeable about this stuff .

I probably know more than most lawyers, since I have more resources than they do to fight these things, and in my day job I supervise about 25 of them.

So if you have any questions or just want some free advice that is based on fighting the state and preparing and winning at trial, let me know. I will help you.

One last thing: welcome to the club.

Damn, I hope you feel good...you could have killed somone but you got out of it cause of your loot...what a shame

 

[chewyxrage]

WTF - you people act like you wouldn't do the same thing if you could.

Why would you ever want a DUI on your record if you have the means to keep it off?

 

[Gambino]

WTF - you people act like you wouldn't do the same thing if you could.

Why would you ever want a DUI on your record if you have the means to keep it off?

A real man admits when he is wrong, a coward hides behind money and lawyers...I know that may sound geigh, but think about it...homeboy could have killed someone, but yet he is free to go, with no punishment...money should not make you above the law

 

[chewyxrage]

A real man admits when he is wrong, a coward hides behind money and lawyers...I know that may sound geigh, but think about it...homeboy could have killed someone, but yet he is free to go, with no punishment...money should not make you above the law

Yeah that does sound pretty geigh.

It's not like he would have gone to jail or something. It would have been a fine and classes, etc. I'm fighting my DUI and I've already completed all the classes\evaluations, etc.

I would rather give my money to a lawyer than the bullshit court system - DUI's are designed to be their #1 money maker and it's rediculous.

 

[Gambino]

Yeah that does sound pretty geigh.

It's not like he would have gone to jail or something. It would have been a fine and classes, etc. I'm fighting my DUI and I've already completed all the classes\evaluations, etc.

I would rather give my money to a lawyer than the bullshit court system - DUI's are designed to be their #1 money maker and it's rediculous.

Bro, I hate the man just as much as the next guy...what I hate worse is rich fuckers getting away with shit cause of there loot.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

A real man admits when he is wrong, a coward hides behind money and lawyers...I know that may sound geigh, but think about it...homeboy could have killed someone, but yet he is free to go, with no punishment...money should not make you above the law

Orb,

I got arrested. I played within the system. I won.

Did you ever stop and think that the real injustice might be people getting arrested for DUI and having to spend $6000 as well as have a criminal record even though they did not even cause any damage?

Do you know that the percentage of traffic fatalities caused by speeders is very close to the percentage caused by DUI? Do you think maybe the DUI penalties are out of line? Or do you just swallow whatever propanganda comes down the line?

You might feel better knowing that my case has made it easier for other people to get acquitted too, since everything I did is puiblic record. Or you might not.

Regardless, where I come from, "real men" stand up for what they believe in, adhere to principles, and play by the rules to win. it is not as if I bribed the judge.

But, whatever.

 

[wtlftr]

I agree with refusing the breathalizer. You will not get convicted and you can have your license after 6 months. Get a work permit to legally drive. If you need a good attorney and are on the east cost, hit me up

 

[Buddy_Christ]

Orb,

I got arrested. I played within the system. I won.

Did you ever stop and think that the real injustice might be people getting arrested for DUI and having to spend $6000 as well as have a criminal record even though they did not even cause any damage?

Do you know that the percentage of traffic fatalities caused by speeders is very close to the percentage caused by DUI? Do you think maybe the DUI penalties are out of line? Or do you just swallow whatever propanganda comes down the line?

You might feel better knowing that my case has made it easier for other people to get acquitted too, since everything I did is puiblic record. Or you might not.

Regardless, where I come from, "real men" stand up for what they believe in, adhere to principles, and play by the rules to win. it is not as if I bribed the judge.

But, whatever.

i have to laugh at your comments though. you paid $22K to beat a DUI. i paid less than $1700 and mine isn't even on my record, never affected my insurance, nothing. thank you first time offenders program. but even without a first time offenders program, the total cost would not of been 10K more than what i paid. my insurance would've been affected, but that would've gone down eventually. but if you've got money to waste, go ahead.

i learned my lesson and hopefully you did as well.

i actually think that's pretty retarded to shell out $22K to beat a DUI, when you were clearly violating the law in the first place. that's one idiotically high price to pay just to have a clean record. lemme guess, the glove didn't fit, right?

 

[wtlftr]

I agree. Admitting nothing, no breathalizer and a night in the pokey. Seems to be a $2000 dollar circumstance

 

[wootoom]

i dont know the laws as good as the US but i know in canada its best to blow then pass on the breathalyzer

 

[wtlftr]

yeah that works if you have not been drinking. But those in court cases, don't answer. Lawyers could use this bad info against you.

 

[Gambino]

Orb,

I got arrested. I played within the system. I won.

Did you ever stop and think that the real injustice might be people getting arrested for DUI and having to spend $6000 as well as have a criminal record even though they did not even cause any damage?

Do you know that the percentage of traffic fatalities caused by speeders is very close to the percentage caused by DUI? Do you think maybe the DUI penalties are out of line? Or do you just swallow whatever propanganda comes down the line?

You might feel better knowing that my case has made it easier for other people to get acquitted too, since everything I did is puiblic record. Or you might not.

Regardless, where I come from, "real men" stand up for what they believe in, adhere to principles, and play by the rules to win. it is not as if I bribed the judge.

But, whatever.

Hopefully you will never lose a loved one by drinking and driving...if you do, you will feel different about people getting off on bullshit technicalties...lol at your real man comment. Just having loot don't make you a real man lol

 

[wtlftr]

touchy.

 

[BO-DEN]

get a good lawyer so you can get out of it...

were you driving that radical?

i almost got one 2 weekends ago. i was in a fight.. same way and sped off all excited about the fight.

well my drunk dumb ass cut off a patty wagon. the guy asked me how drunk i was. i told him i was fine to drive and he let me go with a warning...
(i was shit face)

i think i got off because of the amount of cops i know policing baltimore city at 3am

it helped. im sorry to hear it bro and your situation will remind me to be more carful

BO-DEN

 

[hardrock]

Good advice guys. I see the lawyer tomorrow.

 

[MaGilicuti]

my boss has a gold plate pba card. they give out 2 a year and he got lucky somehow and whatever.

anyway he told me this story which a couple ppl said is true. he went to a birthday party was was seriously f'd up. cops pulls him over and his passenger had to go into his wallet to give the cop the papers because he was too fucked up. cop took a look at the gold pba card and told him to have a nice day.

 

[beefybull]

Damn, I hope you feel good...you could have killed somone but you got out of it cause of your loot...what a shame

Matt's right dude. Deaths from DUI arent that much different statistically from deaths from speeding...

If you had the loot, you'd do the exact same thing.

I've just started my own business and as a college student, I dont really need this shit. I'm gonna pay hardcore for an offense that didnt hurt anyone.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Hopefully you will never lose a loved one by drinking and driving...if you do, you will feel different about people getting off on bullshit technicalties...lol at your real man comment. Just having loot don't make you a real man lol

Already happened orb. Personal involvement and emotion do not change logical principles. Also lost people to speeding related fatalities. Should we start jailing speeders? Accidents are accidents. We could have a national speed limit of 11 MPH and eliminate all traffic fatalities.

Not surprisingly, you;re still reciting propaganda about how 'bad' DUI is without understanding more of the facts related to auto safety. Believe what you want to believe.

And finally.....

A not guilty verdict is not a "technicalilty" you must have learned that in law school.

 

[jerseyart]

Already happened orb. Personal involvement and emotion do not change logical principles. Also lost people to speeding related fatalities. Should we start jailing speeders? Accidents are accidents. We could have a national speed limit of 11 MPH and eliminate all traffic fatalities.

Not surprisingly, you;re still reciting propaganda about how 'bad' DUI is without understanding more of the facts related to auto safety. Believe what you want to believe.

And finally.....

A not guilty verdict is not a "technicalilty" you must have learned that in law school.

You think it's the same huh. Get drunk and hit someone I care about and I'll show you the difference

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

You think it's the same huh. Get drunk and hit someone I care about and I'll show you the difference

But your reaction would be different if I was going 95 MPH and did it?

 

[MissJanet79]

> you'll get at least a one year mandatory suspension on your license

And a DUI won't???

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If you breathe, you only get a mandatory 3 month suspension as opposed to a 1 yr suspension! Fact is, you should ALWAYS be cooperative...it pays off in the end 'cause either way somehow you'll end up paying for it big! & getting off on technicalities is bull... we all have to pay for our mistakes... you live you learn & you move on.
Glad that hardrock is ok & that there was no accident involved.

 

[jerseyart]

But your reaction would be different if I was going 95 MPH and did it?

Listen kid,

My reaction right now, especially after reading a thread about visiting the deceased, is to smack some sense into you.

Children justify poor behavior by pointing to what the deem to be worse behavior, not adults.

And comparable statistics of speeding vs. drunk driving are irrelevant. The percentage of speeders is greater by multiple magnitudes. So if a comparable number of individuals are killed by speeders and drunk drivers, that means a far larger percentage of drunk drivers are likely to be involved in fatal car crashes than speeders. But even that point is irrelevant.

What is relevant is your puerile treatment of the topic as another excuse to "brag" about your alleged success. As if it is a game, never considering that to many reading your silliness, especially those who have suffered at the hands of such clownish behavior, it is anything but an appropriate forum for self aggrandizement.

In short, grow the fuck up, and stop acting like a punk ass bitch

 

[thelegacy again]

they just changed our legal limit to .08---you cant even drink a single beer without worrying your gonna get a DUI

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

let he without sin cast the first stone...

Drinking & Driving = Stupid & Dangerous & Illegal

I would bet 90% (or more) of us have driven while we would have failed a BAC test.

I see no point of criticizing Matt for defending his name and his record. We have the right to an attorney and to a defense and to due process as Americans. Most of the time, the law wins. Once in a blue moon the Defendant wins (OJ for example). I think drunk drivers which cause accidents injuring and/or killing people should be given the max sentence (and they usually are). They still have a right to defend themselves, and they almost never win. A jury is not going to sympathize with a repeat offender who has taken the life an innocent person or paralyzed some children.

Personally, I would be devastated if I drank a few beers, then caused a wreck killing or injuring some innocent people.

 

[jerseyart]

Sh4dowF4lcon,

Don't know that anyone is criticizing him for defending himself.

He's being criticized for bragging about getting away with it, and then attempting to justify the behavior by pointing to speeders

 

[Tryn2]

Here in va they just passed new laws and its supposed to be the harshest in the country now. First offense you have to put a breathalyzer on your ignition, 2nd offense 6 moths jail....The list goes on....

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Listen kid,

My reaction right now, especially after reading a thread about visiting the deceased, is to smack some sense into you.

Yawn. Some good stuff here, like the name calling too.

Children justify poor behavior by pointing to what the deem to be worse behavior, not adults.

I never made any value judgments. I never argued that DUI was OK. I've never argued that position, and I have posted hundreds of times on this topic. You inferred it - did you do that because you need to justify your beliefs?

Consider the context of this post. hardrock got a DUI and sought advice. My experience is relevant. So I shared it. That's it. I really really know this stuff. I've talked with other EF bros about their legal situations. I'm just sharing knowldege orb.

If you must find something against which to grind your ax, grind it here: the disparate punishments for crimes whose impact on society are similar. Re-read my posts if you wish. I never bragged about beating the system, instead, I just relayed personal experiences.

And comparable statistics of speeding vs. drunk driving are irrelevant. The percentage of speeders is greater by multiple magnitudes. So if a comparable number of individuals are killed by speeders and drunk drivers, that means a far larger percentage of drunk drivers are likely to be involved in fatal car crashes than speeders. But even that point is irrelevant.

The only stat that would be useful is accidents per mile for speeding vs DUI. But since the overwhelming majority of both speeders and drunk drivers are never caught, there is no TRUE comparison. We both know that the overwhelming majority of DUI drivers are never caught. Nor are speeders.

However, what we CAN compare, and IS relevant, is this:

The percentage of DUI fatalities (in relation to all fatalities) 25 years ago was LOWER than the percentage of DUI fatalities (in relation to all fatalities) today.

In other words, despite increasingly rigorous laws and demonization of drunk drivers, the percentage of DUI fatalities in relation to all fatalities has actually gone up.

Maybe, given that data, it is time to take a look at how this problem is being addressed. You've got millions - literally millions - of Americans with criminal records and decreased prospects who didn't even do anything that caused harm.

Does a red flag go up when you read that?

What is relevant is your puerile treatment of the topic as another excuse to "brag" about your alleged success. As if it is a game, never considering that to many reading your silliness, especially those who have suffered at the hands of such clownish behavior, it is anything but an appropriate forum for self aggrandizement.

it only seems that way because you want to see it that way. This issue has nothing to do with me. My DUI experience is over. Does it matter if the discussion piece here is about me or Spider-Man? Nope. The topic is the issue; I am only speaking to it personally because I have personal experience.

You have an issue or an agenda that blinds you to seeing things only one way. That's too bad, because you often can't teach old dogs new tricks.

 

[hardrock]

lawyer says only thing that I could fight is the stop. it would cost me around $5000 and may do me no good at all. $400 for him to rep me with a guily plea, just to make sure I don't get ass raped in court. I think I'm gonna go that route.

 

[Gambino]

lawyer says only thing that I could fight is the stop. it would cost me around $5000 and may do me no good at all. $400 for him to rep me with a guily plea, just to make sure I don't get ass raped in court. I think I'm gonna go that route.

I suggest pleading guilty, judges get pissed when you waste their time...

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

lawyer says only thing that I could fight is the stop. it would cost me around $5000 and may do me no good at all. $400 for him to rep me with a guily plea, just to make sure I don't get ass raped in court. I think I'm gonna go that route.

In most states it should be a 'no-contest'; still adjudicated guilty but cannot be used in any civil litigation.

Typically this is done on exchange for minimum mandatory sentencing guidelines.

Is this guilty / No contest to a DUI or to a lesser charge? Sometimes you can arrange a NC plea to a lesser charge for first offenders....

 

[hardrock]

I can get it lowered to a alcohol related careless, but thats about it.

 

[NJRipped]

I can get it lowered to a alcohol related careless, but thats about it.

Was there a videotape of the sobriety tests?

 

[hardrock]

it was in front of the cop car so I'm sure there was. I passed all the feild test except when the bitch had me hold my foot 8 in off the ground for what seemed like 20 minutes. I started to lose my balance after a minute or so, but regained without stumbling or touching the ground. Blew a .197 at the station twice after tho

 

[NJRipped]

it was in front of the cop car so I'm sure there was. I passed all the feild test except when the bitch had me hold my foot 8 in off the ground for what seemed like 20 minutes. I started to lose my balance after a minute or so, but regained without stumbling or touching the ground. Blew a .197 at the station twice after tho

I would look at the videotape before making a decision. More than 2X the legal limit reading and passing the sobriety tests could be a good argument for a faulty BT reading.

 

[hardrock]

nj- Legal limit is .10 here. I was .197. 3 thousandths from .20.