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[decem]

you a.. um.. religious man.. stew?


i'm all for it.. i'm also all for laws that limit the number of children a couple/person can have. it's working in china.. (but i forget if they enforced laws on it.. or did it through some other indirect measure)..

overpopulation of the world and the endangerment of the human race due to food shortages, energy shortages, declining ecomonies, disease, unemployment, increased taxes to pay for the programs to support these unemployed and starving people... etc etc.. are not to far down the road..

the society of the world needs to learn how to forget their conservative views, which largely based on the bullshit religious rhetoric passed down generation after generation, start looking at the evidence and science at hand, and begin making the appropriate reforms necessary to provide for the good of all the inhabitants of the world..

 

[B182]

RU486 is also an ANTI ANDROGEN, so it will negate some of the gains as well.

 

[O'Stanozol]

RU486 is also an ANTI ANDROGEN, so it will negate some of the gains as well.

 

[cockdezl]

"your right, there is no justification for it. But..."

But your about to attempt to justify it, right?


"sometimes under certain circumstances having a baby means the end of your life."

How did I know? A baby means the end of your life?!?!?! Please.

"One of my friends got his girl pregnant. They don't know how it happened since they he wears a rubber every time."

Yes, you may be right. Any person that doesn't understand that fucking causes babies may not be suitable for parenthood.

".. So what do they do in a situation like this?"

Ummm...maybe grow the fuck up, act like adults and take responsibility for their actions? Sorry, what was I thinking, responsibility is an outdated term, nobody really believes in this anymore, huh?

"Him and his girl are still in college. They are 20 years old.. Having a baby now means a world of trouble for them. Having a baby means he can't be a doctor cause he has to provide for it. Abortion isn't right, but neither is the total hell he will endure for the rest of his life."

Whoppidy fucking doo!! Do they think that they are the only people in college who ever got knocked-up? There are countless people who had children during school and still accomplished their goals (my wife and I had our son prior to finishing college) . Why does a child prohibit med school? Do they discriminate against parents now? Did you really mean he CAN'T be a doctor now, or that this will just make him have to work harder? I am amazed at how you somehow correlated being a parent with "...total hell.." Having a child is not difficult, in fact they can be a great motivation...you now have a reason to work hard and better yourself.

This is a perfect example of the pathetic, "I don't want to have any responsibility", immediate gratification society we are producing. Talk to your grandparents and ask them how hard they had to work to get what they wanted in life. The 60's crowd and genX'rs have got to be the most pathetic individuals who ever wasted oxygen on this planet.

None of the so-called beneficial effects of abortion, that were preached, have come to light. Poor women still have more children than middle and upper-class women, middle and upper-middle class girls use it as a birth control method so as not to affect their lifestyle, and there are still a high number of neglected, unwanted children. The whole abortion issue was a perfect extension of the 60's hatred for work and responsibility, it had nothing to do with improving the lifestyle of people.

Maybe Ossama needs to finish the job and blow US off the face of the earth, if this is how pathetic we have become.

 

[Zeke_B]

okay...I have to comment on the off-topic abortion debate:
You don't have to be religious to be critical of abortion.
A secular civil libertarian might ask himself what entitles a
person to receive the rights he feels all human beings are
guaranteed in a civilized society. You don't have to be
valuable to society to have rights as a human being. You
don't have to be autonomous (anyone who has raised an
infant knows they are not). You don't have to be able to
prove your humanity with your God-given intellect. What
makes us human and entitled to human rights?
(Constitutional rights for those of us in America). The
survival rate for prematurely born fetus' at six months
gestation is better than 50% at many hospitals in America.
For most, a born baby is clearly human. With improving
technology the distinction between born and unborn...
viable and not-viable will only become fuzzier.
Convenience or choice are not good legal arguments for
terminating a human life...so IF you think a fetus is human
don't even bring this crap up. If you don't think a fetus is
human, you don't need to bring convenience or choice up
...they are irrelevent. You might make a self-defense case
based on the pain and risk of childbirth, but strangely
no one has done that to my satisfaction. I will accept the
world populuation argument ONLY if I get to decide who
lives and who dies.

 

[Audio8]

Interesting points Zeke. I have always considered myself to be pro-life. But during a discussion with a friend I was asked the question; if my wife (not married yet, but hypothetically) got raped, would I want her to keep the baby. And I was stumped. I really don't think I would want her to. I mean, I'd like to think that my beliefs are strong, but when an extreme circustance like that is put forth, I really questioned myself. I just don't know.....your thoughts guys?

PS. obviously this is off-topic, but a great debate, so let it be please...

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

Isn't alot of the benifit from deca the progesterone related water retention and joint lubrication, plus the increased intramuscular fat storage? When adding RU-486 I'd guess you would end up with pretty much the same results as an equal amount of equipoise....I'll pass on this RU stuff and just use more eq.

 

[Stew Meat]

Isn't alot of the benifit from deca the progesterone related water retention and joint lubrication...

I don't think that it is off the topic at all. This is a potentially helpful aid that could be easilly abused. We tell people not to take over 1000mg of DNP because they will die... DNP is a potentially deadly anciliary product. SO IS RU-486; THIS POTENTIALLY BENEFICAL PRODUCT CAN KILL PEOPLE. I think that this topic merits elitefitness anabolic discussion because it is important that people realize the true consequences of this drug's misuse.

I take care of my mother who has had a lung transplant and this is a tremendous burden on me both financially and time wise... It would be much more convenient for me to kill her.... after all, I am in college.
But there's one difference here... I know that she is a person. Normal people can't kill someone whom they know as a person; however, they could if viewed as an object. In war, it is sometimes easy to take the life of an opposing soldier. BECAUSE THE SOLDIERS HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THAT IT IS OK TO DO SO. So these men often have no remorse.

The same fucking thing is happening to this society. People are killing babies out of convenience and doctors and hospitals are making billions off of it... This society is being taught that a fetus is an object. We are being coaxed into thinking of a child's life as meaningless until it leaves the birth canal (or abdomin, C-Section).

If I went to Germany and killed someone today, it would be murder becasue today we view them as people... because of what we've been taught. There was a serious dialema facing our country when we entered the war with Japan... what to do with the Japenease americans. Should we kill the ones over here, put them in jail, or what... afterall, they were Jap soldiers. But we saw them face to face and therefore saw them as people not objects.

When you see a baby face to face, it changes from a fetus to a child. People have to realize that just becuase you can't look into another individual's eyes that they have a soul just as you do.






-Stew

 

[decem]

c'mon now stew.. i honestly don't think doctors and hospitals are making millions off of abortions..

and if they do find some miraculous cure through stem cell research.. or even any type of research in which they utilize an aborted fetus as the chief subject of their studies.. then i'm all for them reaping the benefits/rewards of their hard earned.. timestaking.. research that lets me live longer and betters the quality of life for the already living/breathing humans..

what would you rather have stew.. 6 trillion normal, healthy, disease free, longer living humans walking the earth.. OR 24 trillion jam packed into every crevace of the earth.. sleeping in their own excrement.. suffering new horrifying diseases at epidemic rates.. having life expectancies 30-40% of what they are today.. giving birth in alleys then tossing the baby into the dumpster due to not being able to afford to pay for it because the fucking unemployment rate is so high due to every country's economy world wide is in a state of depression....?

 

[Stew Meat]

what would you rather have stew.. 6 trillion normal, healthy, disease free, longer living humans walking the earth.. OR 24 trillion jam packed into every crevace of the earth.. sleeping in their own excrement.. suffering new horrifying diseases at epidemic rates.. having life expectancies 30-40% of what they are today.. giving birth in alleys then tossing the baby into the dumpster due to not being able to afford to pay for it because the fucking unemployment rate is so high due to every country's economy world wide is in a state of depression....?

You totally contradicted yourself. The majority of people having abortions are those who are in the upper 10% in socio-econimic status. They use abortions as a form of birth control. Sure, the poor would probably do this too however, they can't afford an abortion. So they go on and have their child at the local charity hospital while the rich girl (who could easily afford to give this child a prosperous life) has her baby aborted and researched for stem cells.

Over time, we will see an increase in the lives of the poor who give birth thus increasing the availble time for producing more children. These people would eventually end up as you say, overpopulating the world.

Why do we need to live 40% longer? Won't you eventually die anyway? Then what was accomplished outside of overpopulation?
Oh, but I guess you could always just start picking numbers at random of who lives and dies... Nothing justifies killing another human. Sure, aborting fetuses to study could lead to a perfect race of humans, but you see what would up happening to hitler.



-Stew