Good cycle?

[NikeMikey]

Stats:5'11 135lbs 7% b/f
17y/o
Workout just about every other day
Eat 6 meals a day<Good ones


Weeks | Deca/mg | D-Bol/mg/day
1 | 200 | 10
2 | 200 | 15
3 | 200 | 20
4 | 200 | 20
5 | 200 | 15
6 | 200 | 10


One question..... How many weeks should i run HCG and what dose? And should i add anything else to my PCT?

 

[*The_West*]

you, like me, are far too young to be taking steroids. im 21 and i would love to take steroids, but its really not clever until your at least 23-25. that and at 135lbs, mate, you could put on 65lbs in the next 3-4 years just by eating and training right.
what makes you want to make such a huge decision to put chmicals that could potentially fuck you right up into your body at such a young age?

 

[biggernu]

you, like me, are far too young to be taking steroids. im 21 and i would love to take steroids, but its really not clever until your at least 23-25. that and at 135lbs, mate, you could put on 65lbs in the next 3-4 years just by eating and training right.
what makes you want to make such a huge decision to put chmicals that could potentially fuck you right up into your body at such a young age?

i look at it this way, we myswell give him some good advice, because most teens don't listen and think they know it all, or just juice anyways, yes it would be good for you to wait and eat right, and train hard natty till you are older.

I would stay away from deca for a first cycle, i would say test ethanate 400-500mg ew for 10 weeks, dbol 30mg ed weeks 1-4 to help kickstart, hcg from week 5 - pct at 500iu e4d. Have an ai on had aromisin, armidex, or nolva to use incause you develop gyno.

im hooking you up with a plat membership for 7 days so that you can use the search feature and do some reading about training naturally and eating a healthy diet.

 

[*The_West*]

also, taking steroids before you have actually finished growing (which at 17 you definitely havnt) can cause premature closure of the epiphyseal growth plates, basically meaning that it cause your shoulders to never fully grow as wide as they could, you might not grow as tall as you would have done.not to mention lowering your natural testosterone levels so that they may not ever fully recover-all very, very bad things.
please trust me when i say im not writing this to put you down bro, im saying it to prevent you seriously fucking yourself up.

 

[NikeMikey]

Lets say im 25 then.........Next Reply

 

[*The_West*]

is this a chairman of the board telling a 17 year old how to take steroids? fuck me...

 

[biggernu]

is this a chairman of the board telling a 17 year old how to take steroids? fuck me...

Im looking at it this way, from the way he talks he has his mind set on it, teens these days have no respect for there parents, or older generations. Just listen to the 12 yr old on xbox live, "mom i wanted a glass of choclate milk, not fucking spagetti, are you retarded?" I hear shit like that all the time. I mentioned that he should train naturally untill he is in his mid 20's. 2nd i gifted him a plat membership so he can use the search button and do some research on how to train natty. And i help him with a begginer cycle, becasue in the back of my mind he is going to do it anyways, thats why he came here in the first place.

 

[biggernu]

is this a chairman of the board telling a 17 year old how to take steroids? fuck me...

i even bolded the part where i told him to wait.

 

[*The_West*]

but your not 25...
at 17 years old, if you train and eat right, with the amount of endogenous (natural) testosterone your body is producing you can put on muscle just as fast as any steroid cycle could, and if you do it naturally its safe, real, permanent muscle.
if you do this til your 23-25 AND THEN use steroids, you will become so much bigger and have a better physique than if you decide to throw your future away and do it now.

 

[biggernu]

Lets say im 25 then.........Next Reply

i highly recommen using the search feature and search training naturally. What kind of diet do you have, what do you eat, how much protein do you take in, do you sleep enough. If your eating fast food and slamming mountain dews playing xbox all day, it wont help you either. I would work on cleaning up your diet if its not clean, eat less then 80g of fat and take in about 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight, so you said you weigh 135, so 135 g of protein a day, and limit you carbs to that or less. Get 8-10 hours a sleep a night, and workout hard and don't overtrain and you WILL GROW LIKE A WEED.

 

[*The_West*]

i even bolded the part where i told him to wait.

i know where you're coming from, but im sorry, i don't think that you put enough emphasis on how much he could actually fuck himself up if he takes steroids at 17 years old-a lot. im sure most people would agree with me on this one aswell. i dont see you mention the negative effects of it once, i consider that a dereliction of duty, being a chairman of the board.

 

[Ibuprofen]

If I were your age again and doing my first cycle which I did and knowing what I know now and do it over again. Mine was a test, winny, anavar cycle. Boy did I gain, like 30 pounds of pure muscle.

But if I were to do it again and I were you which I aint. I dropped the deca (at 17 its hard to have a full menu, so if you cant, no biggie). I'd take fina all the way.

I dont like neither deca or dbol. Dbol gives great gains but short lived, bloat, headaches, in me rashes.

The cycle you have is reasonable and safe and probably mild results. I would definitely not do PCT after that. Wait til you have a few cycles under your belt until you even worry about PCT. At least learn how your body responds to anabolics and how it responds after you quit a cycle before you try to fix it.

PCT is overrated in my book and especially for novices. I think alot of it is pushed my unscrupulous people trying to sell you a book or a new wunder supplement. As PT Barnum once said: "A fool and his money are soon parted"
That is my opionion on ALL supplements. (to clarify more, medications are medications, supplements are food and anyone can claim food legally to make you grow muscle and increase your penis size. Steroids work, supplements do not)

 

[*The_West*]

and make that 2g of protein per pound of bodyweight

 

[*The_West*]

basically, it doesnt do any harm, so eat as much clean protein as you can i would have thought the logical way to look at it is,when considering putting on weight.
it worked for me, it wasnt until i got my diet in order about 6 months ago (including eating 2g per lb) that i actually started gaining weight.

 

[Ibuprofen]

i know where you're coming from, but im sorry, i don't think that you put enough emphasis on how much he could actually fuck himself up if he takes steroids at 17 years old-a lot. im sure most people would agree with me on this one aswell. i dont see you mention the negative effects of it once, i consider that a dereliction of duty, being a chairman of the board.

From a career medical person's perspective's point of view, why dont you tell us how much he can fuck himself up?? Please do that instead of putting it on some other person.
Enlighten us with your knowledge of the endocrine system. Tell us the foibles and pitfalls of using a cycle at age 17 for an underweight teen for his height. Let us discuss the scientific data on the use of anabolics in pre-adults.

The documented risks, the advantages, disadvantages. If you think it fucks people up, let us know where you derive that knowledge, forethought, folklore from.
From a medical point of view (holding psychology out of it), there are more advantages than disadvantages for an underweight teen.

So let's here your wisdom. I remember you, I had to explain how tren guaranteed nitrogen retention and lipolysis. Now we can do it again here.

BTW, A Chairman of the Board is a member who pays. THere is no duty to derelict, unless you count that most COBs use it to try and sell something.

 

[*The_West*]

From a career medical person's perspective's point of view, why dont you tell us how much he can fuck himself up?? Please do that instead of putting it on some other person.
Enlighten us with your knowledge of the endocrine system. Tell us the foibles and pitfalls of using a cycle at age 17 for an underweight teen for his height. Let us discuss the scientific data on the use of anabolics in pre-adults.

The documented risks, the advantages, disadvantages. If you think it fucks people up, let us know where you derive that knowledge, forethought, folklore from.
From a medical point of view (holding psychology out of it), there are more advantages than disadvantages for an underweight teen.

So let's here your wisdom. I remember you, I had to explain how tren guaranteed nitrogen retention and lipolysis. Now we can do it again here.

BTW, A Chairman of the Board is a member who pays. THere is no duty to derelict, unless you count that most COBs use it to try and sell something.

im not a doctor, im a paramedic and also a trained trauma nurse. the kid is SEVENTEEN years old, is giving him a whole page of scientific jargon (like you seem so fond of doing, in a cut-and-paste way) going to help him in anyway at all? NO, it isnt. he would read the first two sentences and think "fuck this, im going to go do it anyway"
i was trying to tell him, in terms that he would actually understand, that taking steroids at 17 years old is a really bad idea, and the possible repercussions it could have. you think im wrong to do so? then you, are a fool.

 

[biggernu]

im not a doctor, im a paramedic and also a trained trauma nurse. the kid is SEVENTEEN years old, is giving him a whole page of scientific jargon (like you seem so fond of doing, in a cut-and-paste way) going to help him in anyway at all? NO, it isnt. he would read the first two sentences and think "fuck this, im going to go do it anyway"
i was trying to tell him, in terms that he would actually understand, that taking steroids at 17 years old is a really bad idea, and the possible repercussions it could have. you think im wrong to do so? then you, are a fool.

exactly, 95% of teens do shit anyways even though the outcome could cause longterm effects.

 

[Tatyana]

exactly, 95% of teens do shit anyways even though the outcome could cause longterm effects.

I get your point that if they are going to do it then give them the correct protocol, but to bloody roll over and die with apathy 'oh well, they are going to do it anyway' is really pathetic and irresponsible.




At 17 you are not finished growing, and you are going to fill out naturally.

I really doubt at that age that you really do know all that there is to know about nutrition or training.

Deca is one of the most suppressive hormones to the HPTA, so many lads end up with deca dick as a result of it.

Using steroids too early will also stunt your growth, close up your epiphyseal plates.

It is bonkers for anyone to start taking steroids at 17, and anyone who knows anything about BBing, endocrinology and psychology would agree with me.

 

[*The_West*]

exactly, 95% of teens do shit anyways even though the outcome could cause longterm effects.

i think 95% is a bit extreme. most people, teens being no exception, respond very well to logic if you can make them understand WHY you are saying what you are saying. im fucking glad i met some knowledgeable people who stopped me taking steroids a few years ago and messing with my hormones before i was ready, ending up on hrt from the age of 20 or some shit.

 

[biggernu]

I get your point that if they are going to do it then give them the correct protocol, but to bloody roll over and die with apathy 'oh well, they are going to do it anyway' is really pathetic and irresponsible.




At 17 you are not finished growing, and you are going to fill out naturally.

I really doubt at that age that you really do know all that there is to know about nutrition or training.

Deca is one of the most suppressive hormones to the HPTA, so many lads end up with deca dick as a result of it.

Using steroids too early will also stunt your growth, close up your epiphyseal plates.

It is bonkers for anyone to start taking steroids at 17, and anyone who knows anything about BBing, endocrinology and psychology would agree with me.

i understand what your saying, but from this guys attitude, especially when he says, "Lets say im 25" leads me to believe he already has his mind made up.

 

[*The_West*]

thank you, tatyana. at last someone with some sense has entered this thread.

 

[*The_West*]

i understand what your saying, but from this guys attitude, especially when he says, "Lets say im 25" leads me to believe he already has his mind made up.

so you dont think it's worth even attempting to discourage him?

 

[biggernu]

i think 95% is a bit extreme. most people, teens being no exception, respond very well to logic if you can make them understand WHY you are saying what you are saying. im fucking glad i met some knowledgeable people who stopped me taking steroids a few years ago and messing with my hormones before i was ready, ending up on hrt from the age of 20 or some shit.

mabey around where you live, but where i live they are spoiled rotten brats that don't listen to anyone, drive around like maniacs. I sat through a lecture at a hs last month about drug and alcohol abuse, none of them took any of the advice they got seriously, there basic attitude was it won't happen to me, or my parents will get me out of it.

 

[Tatyana]

Would you mind listing your 6 good meals a day, and also how you are training? How long have you been training?



I really don't know how much I can over-emphasis that at 17 you have barely started to develop into a man.

SO many men fill out immensely from 17-24.

I realise you are impatient, you want to be big NOW, but if you really don't have your diet and training sorted, any gains that you make on cycle may be short lived, whereas some of the impact you do to your HPTA may not be, they could take much longer to recover.

I have far too many friends that have started taking gear far too young only to end up with the same test levels as I do.

It really isn't fun going through the recovery, the tears, the pissed off girlfriends cause they have no bloody libido, more tears, the depression.

You are playing with some of the most powerful drugs on the planet.

Have you had your baselevels checked?

Have you been screened to see if everything is 'normal' with you?

How many calories are you eating every day?

I would like to see these things addressed before thinking that steroids are the answer. They only enhance, they don't make the physique.


Also, hold on, I have a picture of a 20 year old after three cycles.

 

[*The_West*]

mabey around where you live, but where i live they are spoiled rotten brats that don't listen to anyone, drive around like maniacs. I sat through a lecture at a hs last month about drug and alcohol abuse, none of them took any of the advice they got seriously, there basic attitude was it won't happen to me, or my parents will get me out of it.

so because you know a few kids like that, that means they're all the same,all beyond hope, and that its not worth trying to discourage a 17 year old from taking fucking steroids? jeez man, you have to do what you can.

 

[biggernu]

so you dont think it's worth even attempting to discourage him?

it is worth it, thats why i gifted him a plat so he can do some searching. I didn't get in to all the physiology of using gear at that age becasue i don't have my contacts in and can't tell if im even typing the right words, and you did a good job covering it.

 

[eddymerckx]

use of steroids by a 17 y/o is just stupid--sorry, there is no other way to put it.

the potential damage you can do is not repairable

you may get jacked but you will lose it and everyone will know you used gear and laugh

best of all--you keep natty gains--you need time to build the strength in your connective tissue that you must have to use gear--you just do not have it yet and will get hurt.

ever see a bro's bicep snap and roll-up their arm like a window shade?

ever see a one a a bro's quad muscle snap and end-up in a softball sized lump?

ever see a bro rip his pec?



eat like a horse and train like a madman and you will grow damn close to as fast as a 30 year old on gear and certainly faster than any bro like me (41) on gear.

 

[cobracock1979]

I get your point that if they are going to do it then give them the correct protocol, but to bloody roll over and die with apathy 'oh well, they are going to do it anyway' is really pathetic and irresponsible.




At 17 you are not finished growing, and you are going to fill out naturally.

I really doubt at that age that you really do know all that there is to know about nutrition or training.

Deca is one of the most suppressive hormones to the HPTA, so many lads end up with deca dick as a result of it.

Using steroids too early will also stunt your growth, close up your epiphyseal plates.

It is bonkers for anyone to start taking steroids at 17, and anyone who knows anything about BBing, endocrinology and psychology would agree with me.

I like Tatyana...a lot

 

[eddymerckx]

I like Tatyana...a lot

join the club bro

 

[cobracock1979]

join the club bro

LOL,

Im probably too much of a newbie for her to reciprocate my admirations

 

[Beachboy6294]

i look at it this way, we myswell give him some good advice, because most teens don't listen and think they know it all, or just juice anyways, yes it would be good for you to wait and eat right, and train hard natty till you are older.

I would stay away from deca for a first cycle, i would say test ethanate 400-500mg ew for 10 weeks, dbol 30mg ed weeks 1-4 to help kickstart, hcg from week 5 - pct at 500iu e4d. Have an ai on had aromisin, armidex, or nolva to use incause you develop gyno.

im hooking you up with a plat membership for 7 days so that you can use the search feature and do some reading about training naturally and eating a healthy diet.

If he doesn't listen and does a cycle why so much test 400-500mg a week? He would be good with a lower dose like 200-250mg, I know I got plenty of results with my first cycle at the levels.

Shit I made most of my gains natty from 17-22 yrs old don't ruin that bro!!

 

[digger]

Lets say im 25 then.........Next Reply

Let's say that you're banned, Platinum or not, if you're going to pull that kind of disrespectful nonsense on the people here. They're trying to keep you from harming yourself, and trying to keep you from adding to the misunderstanding and the flames about their fitness lifestyle.

This isn't about flashing a fake ID so you can get a goddamn beer. This is about FUCKING YOURSELF UP, stopping your natural growth in its tracks and messing up your health and sex life FOREVER.

Who the hell are you to even try to put that kind of responsibility on us?

 

[digger]

@biggernu -- we've had that thread before, the "oh, well, give 'em a cycle to shut them up, since the snot-nosed little beggars won't listen anyway."

Forget that noise. Click REPORT BAD POST so a mod or I can ban him. There is NO reason for this site, or you, to have what he is about to do to himself on our conscience.

 

[eddymerckx]

well said.

 

[Beachboy6294]

Let's say that you're banned, Platinum or not, if you're going to pull that kind of disrespectful nonsense on the people here. They're trying to keep you from harming yourself, and trying to keep you from adding to the misunderstanding and the flames about their fitness lifestyle.

This isn't about flashing a fake ID so you can get a goddamn beer. This is about FUCKING YOURSELF UP, stopping your natural growth in its tracks and messing up your health and sex life FOREVER.

Who the hell are you to even try to put that kind of responsibility on us?

I thought the same thing!! Thanks Digger.

 

[sugashane]

You've gotten good advice from most about not doing gear. ALL of these guys and Tat know more than you (or me) on steroids, so listen to them. Its like listening to coaches who specialize in a sport you play, but the difference is, sports can be played over, and theres a next season for it. Steroids can seriously fuck your world up, for life. There are no do-overs with gear.
When you can, from memory, explain the effects and sides of hormones, PCT, HOW the drugs will work and affect the body, proper nutritional intake (and practice it), how the body's HPTA will be afected and restored, and more that I don't care to type or know yet myself, then you have some right to THINK about gear. But if you knew all of that, you'd know better than to juice for the next several years.