good beginner cycle using testosterones only...input please

[Burning_Inside]

I'm looking for advce on a stack using test analogues only, for instance no fina or deca for now. This is because i wantto feel safe about my hair not disappearing and being able to use gear that you can use propecia (finasteride) with, because as some of you know if you use propecia with some gear it has a reverse effect. So if anyone has some decent beginner stack advice with those points in mind, post them here please.

 

[J-Ro]

It's very understandible that you don't want to take anything but test for now. Hell, I've sorted through a ton of different cycles with my hair in mind.

As a newbie, you can get fantastic gains of test alone. I've read enough "test"omonials here to believe it.

If you do decide to stack several AS, there's other hairloss solutions such as spironolactone and xandrox you can consider.

 

[Dutch windmill]

If you want to use test only stick to enanthate @ 500 wk for 10 wks. Because this is your first cycle I would forget about the frontloading and go 500 throughout.

 

[MuSuLPhReAk]

My vote's for Sust at 500mg a week

 

[Unity66]

test is a good choice.......

a cheap, effective first cycle would consist of 500-750mg+wk (you never mentioned your stats) of a single ester test such as enanthat/cypionate along with clomid, nolva/proviron and lots o' food on hand.

if you could afford it...........propecia would help with the conversion of test to dihyrodtestosterone (DHT) and arimidex (liquidex) at 1mg/day would be an excellent addition.

just use a single, long acting test such as enanthate/cyp for 10-12wks and you shant be dissapointed.

Unity66

 

[Unity66]

sustanon is the most over-rated, over-priced test........period. dot use sust bro, unless you can grab em for under $5each, and then only if primotest is more expensive-lol

sustanon is a self-tapering blend and was designed for hormone replacement.......to be used every 4wks.

stick with enanthate/cypionate

oh yea........tren will speed hairloss. bout the only thing that wont is deca, ox, eq......am i missing anything? even then.......test should be the basis of your cycle. do you even know if you have a predispostion to MPB? what are your stats?

Unity66

 

[greatshape]

sustanon is the most over-rated, over-priced test........period. dot use sust bro, unless you can grab em for under $5each, and then only if primotest is more expensive-lol

sustanon is a self-tapering blend and was designed for hormone replacement.......to be used every 4wks.

stick with enanthate/cypionate

oh yea........tren will speed hairloss. bout the only thing that wont is deca, ox, eq......am i missing anything? even then.......test should be the basis of your cycle. do you even know if you have a predispostion to MPB? what are your stats?

Unity66

i agree, when you use sustanon, it will take longer to kick in.

 

[Burning_Inside]

OK thanks for that input...I'm trying to stick with tests right now instead of nandrolones for my first cycle, and as I said I want all tests so I can be able to take finasteride and another hair drug and not have them have the reverse effect on my hair as would happen if i took fina with finasteride. . My stats are right now at 6'3", 210, 15% bf. Age 24. So what other tests "could" i stack together that people think would give good results? Also whats the difference between test prop and cyp?

 

[Burning_Inside]

by the way, if anyone could tell me how long to go for with just say test cyp? 10 weeks ok? 8 weeks maybe? now how long and when should i take the provirion and clomid? also like i mentioned already, if anyone could reccomend another test to stack with cyp, let me know, cause i have some extra money i can use.

 

[MuSuLPhReAk]

A cycle should last roughly 8-10 weeks. A few have gone longer. Clomid comes after for 3 weeks. U start clomid depending on which test u take. Something like sust u start clomid 3 weeks after your cycle for 3 weeks. U have to learn about the esters in the test to know when to start your clomid.

 

[Zyglamail]

Burning, the test you chose will determine how long your should run it as well as when you should start clomid post cycle. If you go with test prop you should shoot it eod, but you have the benefit of getting good results from 8 week cycle since it kicks in faster and you can start clomid sooner. On the other hand, if you run cyp/enth, you want to divide dose for the week in 2 shots and run at least 8 weeks preferably 10 since it takes longer to kick in. Also you wont be able to start climid for a couple weeks after last poke. Since sust has decoanate ester in it you need to wait even a bit longer to start clomid.

Here is a link To The Iron Games clomid faq which has a lot of good info on when to start clomid and how much to take.

As for mixing types of test, there is no reason to cause test is test, unless you are switching from a long lasting ester to a short one at the end of cycle to allow you to jump on clomid faster post cycle.

Also, see if you can get your hands on liquidex or liquid anastrozole, enough to take throughout cycle and last until you are done with clomid. How much to take will depend on the dose of test ya chose. Post once you have more details and you will get more advice on that.

 

[spentagn]

by the way, if anyone could tell me how long to go for with just say test cyp? 10 weeks ok? 8 weeks maybe? now how long and when should i take the provirion and clomid? also like i mentioned already, if anyone could reccomend another test to stack with cyp, let me know, cause i have some extra money i can use.

8-10 weeks would be fine, at a dose of 500mg or more. As far as things to stack with it, I'd say eq would be pretty easy on you. Take that at 400-600mg/wk, with 600 being preferable. You should get some anti-e's for the test. Arimidex/liquidex would be the best, but also the most expensive. Nolvadex could be used as an alternative, and is considerably cheaper. I would stay away from sust, as it is close to impossible to accurately predict blood concentration levels due to the different esters. I'd go with cyp or enanthate. Clomid should begin 17-21 days after your last shot.

 

[Burning_Inside]

OK guys here's a list of what i need so far, correct me if I'm wrong.

test prop
proviron
clomid
liquidex
And propecia.

Anything else I'm missing?

Also,...when and how much of the proviron and liquidex would I need?

 

[o`boy]

My vote's for Sust at 500mg a week

Yup... god idea

 

[Zyglamail]

You wont need the proviron if your using anastrozole(liquidex) throughout your cycle. If you take enough liquidex you wont have much estrogen to worry about. if your running a lite cycle of lets say 500mg test a week, you will prolly want .25mg of liquidex/ed but may need to bump it to .5mg/ed if you start holding water. If your not concerned about the cost of it just take .5mg and you should not have any worries.

 

[Burning_Inside]

well id rather use proviron its cheaper. So i need something to prevent water bloat, baldness, gyno. And of course clomid.
So the proviron stops the gyno, propecia for the baldness, now whats for water retention?

 

[px1138]

get nolvadex instead of proviron. it prevents gyno and bloat, and its pretty cheap too.
moderator on here asking for newbie advice? whats wrong with this picture?

 

[Burning_Inside]

i moderate the between the sheets boards, i wouldn't say that makes me anywhere near a pro on steroid use.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Burning, the MOST famous steroid guru of them all, Dan Duchaine recommended Test@600-1000mgs a week for a first cycle. No Dbol, Deca, Fina, or EQ!! He said on a first cycle this would be the only drug required to grow(25-30lbs). In my opinion, I would add Dbol@25-30mgs a day for the first 4-5 weeks. You should REALLY grow with this combo!!!

 

[Texas Ranger]

Don't forget to take [email protected] EOD throughout the cycle to minimize bloat and keep gyno in check.

 

[Burning_Inside]

Well I don't want to take Dbol because finasteride really doesn't have an effect on that or EQ, and I really do want to keep my hairline, I don't look good bald right now heh.

 

[BIGbouncer]

Week 1-2= propionate and cyp/enathate
week 3-7= cyp/enanthate
week 8 = propionate
week 10-13 = clomid

Arimidex EOD throughout the cycle.

HCG may be added ED in week 4-5.

+ Propecia and saw palmetto.

This is the cycle for you

 

[body72]

Week 1-2= propionate and cyp/enathate
week 3-7= cyp/enanthate
week 8 = propionate
week 10-13 = clomid

Arimidex EOD throughout the cycle.

HCG may be added ED in week 4-5.

+ Propecia and saw palmetto.

This is the cycle for you

Nice cycle Bb! Amen
Bye
Body

 

[Burning_Inside]

Week 1-2= propionate and cyp/enathate
week 3-7= cyp/enanthate
week 8 = propionate
week 10-13 = clomid

Arimidex EOD throughout the cycle.

HCG may be added ED in week 4-5.

+ Propecia and saw palmetto.

Hmm ok can anyone explain the reasoning behind using both of these tests, and in what dosages?

 

[BIGbouncer]

The reason behind it is to kickstart the cycle with prop while one is waiting for the cyp to kick in (in other words "get high enough bloodlevel).

When you have done your last cyp injection you will have to wait about two weeks before you can start clomid, so you start prop again to keep high levels untill you start clomid. Prop only needs 3-7 days to clear the system...

This will make you get at least 7 more days with high test level. You can run the prop longer if you want to. And it's easier to know when to start clomid when doing prop at the end..

You need:

Arimidex- 0.5 EOD / 20ml/1mg

Prop- 100mg EOD / 10ml/100mg

Cyp- 300-600/w / 10-20ml/200mg

Clomid- 1.day 300mg, 13.days 100mg, 14.days 50mg / 47 tabs


to do my cycle..

 

[pgerardone]

If you are going to use only test the way to go is to get a bottle of prop and some enenth or cyp. Forget the sust it is more expensive and not as effective at a comprable dose. Take the prop the first three weeks to kick start things. And front load the long acting test. I would stick to 500-750 mgs a week total. Also, use an anti-estrogen from day one.