Going bald :(

[Workout King]

So just started today noticing lots of hair starting to fall out... not too terribly bad, but more than enough to notice... i'm on test 600mg deca250mg and 30mg dbol a day. since I have deca in there, i don't want to include finasteride from all i've read, but i need to do something, I'd rather stop the cycle and go straight to pct than lose more hair... any suggestions??

Oh, and I'm 4 weeks into the cycle, any other info needed? 23yrs 215lbs 6%bf

 

[disturbed80]

So just started today noticing lots of hair starting to fall out... not too terribly bad, but more than enough to notice... i'm on test 600mg deca250mg and 30mg dbol a day. since I have deca in there, i don't want to include finasteride from all i've read, but i need to do something, I'd rather stop the cycle and go straight to pct than lose more hair... any suggestions??

Oh, and I'm 4 weeks into the cycle, any other info needed? 23yrs 215lbs 6%bf

Minimizing DHT will minimize hairloss....so the approach I recommend is getting an anti androgen shampoo such as nizoral 2%, and combining that with a 5AR inhibitor..such as finasteride or avodart.....be warned, that 5ar inhibitors can interfere with normal libido...but...it will definitely help with the hair shedding. I know of several dudes that are very prone to shedding, but using the above protocol always keeps their hairline from disappearing.

I'm one of the lucky ones, I can run boat loads of gear with no hair loss, even tren and 2g of test/week, i'm 28 now and have done a ton of cycles with no problems. Acne on the other hand.......I always have to use a ton of topicals to keep my chest and back clear.

 

[Workout King]

From all the research i've done they generally say that a 5ar inhibitor with deca will make you lose hair even faster... or will a low dose of deca like this really not affect it that much?

 

[disturbed80]

From all the research i've done they generally say that a 5ar inhibitor with deca will make you lose hair even faster... or will a low dose of deca like this really not affect it that much?

Hmm, I have not ever heard that. I do know that 5ar inhibitors are useless with DHT deriatives such as tren or winstrol, but I'm not so sure about deca.
I don't believe Deca is a DHT derivative...
Can anyone else shed light on this?

 

[swordfish151]

SHAVE IT...women love bald men....

 

[Workout King]

take a VERY large grapefruit
Throw it on the ground about 20 times, as hard as possible without splitting it
then look at its lumpy/flatsidedness, thats a decent representation of my head if bald
that and college girls seem to be scared of baldness :'(

 

[disturbed80]

SHAVE IT...women love bald men....

Bald is okay for a certain type of facial structure....but bald doesn't look right on many guys (including me)....Also most women I talked to prefer a good set of hair, all other things being equal...

Anyway, does anyone know anything about 5ar inhibitors and deca? I would also be interested in knowing this.

 

[Stacemranger]

Have heard many times deca plus fina is bad. Not sure about why, but I've seen it many times.

 

[krishna]

The only thing you can do is stop your cycle. Get some topical spiro, and some topical xandrox from xandrox.com to help preserve your hair follicles. You will probably still shed for awhile, but once your hair returns to its anagen growth phase, most of it should grow back. It's gonna take months bro. Get on Saw Palmetto extract now also. Make sure it's 160mg (80-95% fatty acids). Take it twice a day. It has some 5ar inhibition, but not enough to cause much problems with the deca. It helps by regulating androgen activity at the receptor which is what you need right now. It is mild, but better than nothing. Once the deca clears from your system, you can get on finasteride too. From now on, stick to hair friendly gear. I'd love to do a test/deca/dbol cycle, but am not willing to sacrifice my hair for it.

 

[Raptorex]

^^^
Listen to this advice!

Also, save your money for a future transplant, the technology is light years ahead of the early "plugs"...wait till your in your 30s however (or completely stabilized).

 

[Mammoth2500]

What about dropping the deca from the cycle and start the shampoo?

 

[crunkjuice]

If you stop the deca now after 4 weeks in it will still be affecting things for quite awhile. How do Deca+Finastride work together? At what amount of deca do negative reactions with Finastride take place?
If Day 28 was his last shot, it will take awhile for Deca levels (E/D/T) to go down significantly.
http://bulkmuscle.com/pct/ <-- PCT calculator

Day 28: 0mg T, 351mg E/D/T
Day 29: 0mg T, 326mg E/D/T
Day 30: 0mg T, 303mg E/D/T
Day 45: 0mg T, 102mg E/D/T

 

[Advisor_x]

If your prone to male bold pattern nothing you can do, androgenics will only accelerate what is inevitable, If you have family history your done.........

Start saving for a transplant..........

 

[Mammoth2500]

If you stop the deca now after 4 weeks in it will still be affecting things for quite awhile. How do Deca+Finastride work together? At what amount of deca do negative reactions with Finastride take place?
If Day 28 was his last shot, it will take awhile for Deca levels (E/D/T) to go down significantly.
http://bulkmuscle.com/pct/ <-- PCT calculator

Day 28: 0mg T, 351mg E/D/T
Day 29: 0mg T, 326mg E/D/T
Day 30: 0mg T, 303mg E/D/T
Day 45: 0mg T, 102mg E/D/T

true but its still better than nothing if hes that worried.

 

[LoneTree]

So just started today noticing lots of hair starting to fall out... not too terribly bad, but more than enough to notice... i'm on test 600mg deca250mg and 30mg dbol a day. since I have deca in there, i don't want to include finasteride from all i've read, but i need to do something, I'd rather stop the cycle and go straight to pct than lose more hair... any suggestions??

Oh, and I'm 4 weeks into the cycle, any other info needed? 23yrs 215lbs 6%bf

I am very prone.
I am using Proscar and Rogain 20%.
500 test and 300 Deca, 5-6 weeks. No hairloss.
Nizoral 2% is another option, though I have no personal experience.
In medicine, experience is the ultimate answer. Theories do not always prove true. That is why there is a major change in theories every few years.

 

[krishna]

Everything I've read says that topical spiro won't be absorbed systemically, but I just got word that this may not be true. Might want to hold off on the spiro until we can come to a conclusion on this one.

 

[krishna]

I am very prone.
I am using Proscar and Rogain 20%.
500 test and 300 Deca, 5-6 weeks. No hairloss.
Nizoral 2% is another option, though I have no personal experience.
In medicine, experience is the ultimate answer. Theories do not always prove true. That is why there is a major change in theories every few years.

20% Rogain? Damn that's some strong stuff. I imagine that with such a high dose of rogain, and the fact that your deca dose is lower than your test, is why the proscar isn't giving you any problems while being on deca.

 

[riverrock]

Minimizing DHT will minimize hairloss....so the approach I recommend is getting an anti androgen shampoo such as nizoral 2%, and combining that with a 5AR inhibitor..such as finasteride or avodart.....be warned, that 5ar inhibitors can interfere with normal libido...but...it will definitely help with the hair shedding. I know of several dudes that are very prone to shedding, but using the above protocol always keeps their hairline from disappearing.

I'm one of the lucky ones, I can run boat loads of gear with no hair loss, even tren and 2g of test/week, i'm 28 now and have done a ton of cycles with no problems. Acne on the other hand.......I always have to use a ton of topicals to keep my chest and back clear.

Take what this man said as fact. Niz, finasteride and Test only cycles are the way to go. Start your finasteride a full calender month before your cycle and finish a full calender month after.

 

[Workout King]

Quick quwstion. think cutting back my test to 400-500 would have much an impact? I don't wanna stop the cycle, but don't wanna go bald even more..

 

[disturbed80]

I'm still confused. How and why would finasteride cause shedding to get WORSE with deca.

I don't get it, deca is not a dht derivative if i'm not mistaken.

 

[Workout King]

it has something to do with the way 5ar inhibitors work. That when you use finasteride with deca it makes the deca start working like a DHT derivative. So deca+finasteride+5ar molecule = TERRIBLE hairloss. Is what i've understood.

But bump for my question, if reducing the test a couple hundred mg, or possibly even more would have an impact?

 

[Raptorex]

Without gettting complicated, if you are prone to MPB and increase your test, you increase DHT and accelerate your hairloss. Anything else people say is anectodtal and medically undocumented.

Thus, if you are on, you will lose hair more rapidly then when off...PERIOD. Tough choices, I know - but its reality.

 

[krishna]

I'm still confused. How and why would finasteride cause shedding to get WORSE with deca.

I don't get it, deca is not a dht derivative if i'm not mistaken.

Because deca acts as a potent adrogen on the receptors. When deca is reduced by the 5ar enzyme, it converts to DHN (dehydronandrolone), which is less androgenic, and less harsh on the hair. If you don't allow deca to be reduced, you will keep it in a more potent form which is harsher on the hair line.

 

[gjohnson5]

Without gettting complicated, if you are prone to MPB and increase your test, you increase DHT and accelerate your hairloss. Anything else people say is anectodtal and medically undocumented.

Thus, if you are on, you will lose hair more rapidly then when off...PERIOD. Tough choices, I know - but its reality.

the dht blockers did not work for you mightymouse??

finasteride, avacore...
Also nizoral and simply increasing saw palmetto will help

I agree it's genetics , but I thought this one was licked

 

[Raptorex]

Hey GJ,

I use DHT blockers (and Minox + nizoral) so generally it is maintained...until I touch any test, then it just overwhelms the receptors I would guess. Thus, ball game over.

 

[gjohnson5]

Hey GJ,

I use DHT blockers (and Minox + nizoral) so generally it is maintained...until I touch any test, then it just overwhelms the receptors I would guess. Thus, ball game over.

So without minox and nizoral your hair falls out "naturally"?
U have some high test levels then , tren do that to u too?

I'm gonna have to find someone here with the 411

 

[gjohnson5]

the dht blockers did not work for you mightymouse??

finasteride, avacore...
Also nizoral and simply increasing saw palmetto will help

I agree it's genetics , but I thought this one was licked

Obviously these studies aren't done on people doing test injections but here's a pubmed article that states the types of inhibitors stop test from turning into DHT
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...d&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12006122&query_hl=3

I'm mentioning saw palmetto simple because it's over the counter and can be gotten in a variety of potencies. It is a 5ar inhibitor like pubmed says works. Noone mentioned it's use so...
http://www.hairloss-research.org/sawpalmetto.html

 

[Alpine`]

It is ok to use finasteride with Tren though - right? I've seen this discussed a lot and I was never sure of the final conclusions that were drawn by various members of the community. Tren + finasteride does not act in the same way that Deca + finasteride does - correct? In other words, tren and finasteride is not worse than if you didnt use finasteride at all with it. Also, finasteride will help w/ test but wont help AT ALL with tren?

 

[krishna]

It is ok to use finasteride with Tren though - right? I've seen this discussed a lot and I was never sure of the final conclusions that were drawn by various members of the community. Tren + finasteride does not act in the same way that Deca + finasteride does - correct? In other words, tren and finasteride is not worse than if you didnt use finasteride at all with it. Also, finasteride will help w/ test but wont help AT ALL with tren?

The research indicates that tren and finasteride do not interact with eachother, therefore, it is ok to use them together.

 

[riverrock]

Krishna; You told me that your experiences of Tren are good in terms of results and minimal hairloss. However, one or 2 Bros have said that Tren caused them to lose hair. Does that make sence?

 

[gunnermuscle]

Is there anymore printed information about DECA interacting with finasteride?
My doc gave me propecia just today to battle my thinning hair (Im not going bald or losing hair noticeably-just thinning over time) but I am taking about 100 mg of DECA weekly regularly and if its time to switch to TREN then I will.My TEST dosage is very low anyway-I am on an ongoing cycle of 100mgDECA/75mgTEST weekly (no on/off cycles) and am getting amazing results -slow BUT consistent muscle growth.
Anyone know how ANAVAR would react with Propecia?
I felt pretty safe with this stack up until now-Id hate to think I might be making my hair go away faster if I combine DECA and FINASTERIDE.

--gunner--

 

[krishna]

Krishna; You told me that your experiences of Tren are good in terms of results and minimal hairloss. However, one or 2 Bros have said that Tren caused them to lose hair. Does that make sence?

Ya bro, I was speaking for the majority. There will be a few cases with almost any type of aas where it caused them to lose their hair. With tren, most people say that it is safe for them. See if you can find that poll on here that was done about tren and hair loss.

 

[Alpine`]

Ya bro, I was speaking for the majority. There will be a few cases with almost any type of aas where it caused them to lose their hair. With tren, most people say that it is safe for them. See if you can find that poll on here that was done about tren and hair loss.

Just to throw in my experience here...

Dbol (30mg/day) seemed to kill my hair in 5 weeks where Tren (300mg/wk) and Test(500mg/wk) stacked in 10 weeks didnt do near as much damage. I was on finasteride the entire time in both instances. Twice now I have seemed to notice Dbol just kills the hair line. Tren is highly androgenic and seems that it would be horrible. However, in my experience nothing comes close to dbol. Im planning on using Tbol instead from now on out. Tbol/Test/Tren - I can imagine why anyone would need any other AAS - these are the three kings