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Monday, 8 Oct 2007
Toronto, Ontario (TextWeather: TOR)
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Well were not suffering from global warming in Winnipeg, it's a balmy 7c here and rained all day.

ps. My exwife lives there say hi lol
 
oldandconfused said:
Well were not suffering from global warming in Winnipeg, it's a balmy 7c here and rained all day.

ps. My exwife lives there say hi lol
That is what you get for living in Winterpeg :p
 
Use to train at an old gym in TO years ago on queen street west. Place called Sy's is it still around by any chance.
Was real hard core.
 
can someone translate this to english?
 
dead_reggin_storage_fashi said:
earth has been around for a long ass time. the last 10 years or so arent even a pimple on earth's ass. just a small cycle

Fully agree: btw I heard the dinosaurs drove too much and earned their own demise.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Monday, 8 Oct 2007
Toronto, Ontario (TextWeather: TOR)
°C | °F Current Conditions
View a Webcam Submit a Webcam ">View Traffic Cams30°C
A few clouds
Feels Like 37
Wind W 24km/h
Relative Humidity 52%
Dewpoint 19°°C
Pressure 101.02 kPa
Visibility 24.0 km
Ceiling unlimited

Temp is 98.6 f with the humidity
slight chance of rain
vis and ceiling means you can see Hamilton clearly from the CN Tower.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Monday, 8 Oct 2007
Toronto, Ontario (TextWeather: TOR)
°C | °F Current Conditions
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A few clouds
Feels Like 37
Wind W 24km/h
Relative Humidity 52%
Dewpoint 19°°C
Pressure 101.02 kPa
Visibility 24.0 km
Ceiling unlimited
No such thing as global warming.
 
Record highs in both Milwaukee and Oshkosh, WI over the past weekend.

Did I ever mention that I hate heat? 'Cause I do.



:cow:
 
stilleto said:
why are you guys celebrating thanksgiving so EARLY???

Because soon it's going to be -100 and all the turkeys will fly south for the winter. We need to get them before they leave and before we hiberrnate to our igloos
 
stilleto said:
why are you guys celebrating thanksgiving so EARLY???
Canadian Thanksgiving is about the end of the harvest and celebrating that. American Thanksgiving is about shopping and football.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Canadian Thanksgiving is about the end of the harvest and celebrating that. American Thanksgiving is about shopping and football.

yes, i'm sure all you canadians are into the harvest and not football.
 
Smurfy said:
and Schoolhouse Rock!

Conjunction junction, what's your function?
Hooking up words and phrases and clauses!

YES!!

and

I'm just a bill.
Yes, I'm only a bill.
And I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill.
Well, it's a long, long journey
To the capital city.
It's a long, long wait
While I'm sitting in committee,
But I know I'll be a law someday
At least I hope and pray that I will,
But today I am still just a bill.
 
I love America. Turn off your lights when you leave the room! Drive a hybird!

I went to China and they had so many coal producing plants it was something out of a comic book. I used to work in the rubber busiess and seeing huge coal burning factories made me realize taking the bus work in the long run aint shit.

I doubt global warming is true as look how long the earth has been around and just a 10 year period is too small of a time frame to draw any conclusions.

How the fuck do you determine anything when the time period used is just 1/50000000000 of the total length? and esp as the earth has changed so much from plate tech to ice age to the jews to everything else
 
I'll admit that science isn't exact.................but we have a decent idea of how weather changed long before humans were ever here, we can see it in rocks and other things how weather has affected them. So we can draw some basic conclusions..................but regardless of whether this is the fault of man or not, those caps melting could be bigtime trouble........like world altering society altering trouble. Yeah, maybe not in any of our lifetimes'.........but it's a little sad to see people saying "who gives a fuck, I'll be dead".
 
It's almost universally recongnized among climatologists that global warming is a fact and that man has contributed significantly to the problem... Not believing this is akin to Christians (that you make fun of) not accepting evolution.
 
Well as the resident Geologist here and probably the only person who has actually studied climate models and the earths history in depth I only have one thing to say.

It's going to be a balmy 15C/60F tops here today and I love Scotland.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Canadian Thanksgiving is about the end of the harvest and celebrating that. American Thanksgiving is about shopping and football.

That's only because the shopping and football in Canada suck.
 
dead_reggin_storage_fashi said:
I doubt global warming is true as look how long the earth has been around and just a 10 year period is too small of a time frame to draw any conclusions.

How the fuck do you determine anything when the time period used is just 1/50000000000 of the total length? and esp as the earth has changed so much from plate tech to ice age to the jews to everything else


lol
i'll alert the scientist that you debunked their research, genius.


what makes you think it's only been studied for 10 years??
 
we havent had good rain here for years, the 3 east coast citys are on massive water restrictions, cant water gardens, cant wash cars, local footy clubs cant even water their grounds
 
biteme said:
It's almost universally recongnized among climatologists that global warming is a fact and that man has contributed significantly to the problem... Not believing this is akin to Christians (that you make fun of) not accepting evolution.
Yes, and prior to 1492 it was almost universally recognized among cartographers that the world is flat.

Its probably best to stick to the hard science.
 
can't complain about global warming. Nice warm weather during the holidays instead of freezing my ass :)
 
stilleto said:
lol
i'll alert the scientist that you debunked their research, genius.


what makes you think it's only been studied for 10 years??


I never said I was correct just my 2 cents. I just feel the recent change 10 yrs of last 30 yrs in the total time the earth has been around is too small of a time frame to draw any conclusions about anything unless a sudden single change happened. IE rock from space hit, volcano went off etc
 
biteme said:
It's almost universally recongnized among climatologists that global warming is a fact and that man has contributed significantly to the problem... Not believing this is akin to Christians (that you make fun of) not accepting evolution.

lolol @ significantly..

how do you figure when we are only producing like 5-10% of the greenhouse gases when the other 90% of greenhouse gases are coming naturally from the earth.
 
The earth was experiencing "global warming" when dinos roamed the earth. The "Global Warming trend" was followed by an "Ice Age" which has been followed by a warming trend. Gradually we smart humans have decided that as it is warming up yet again it must be due to our incredible significance.
 
it was in the low 90's in central IL a coupld days ago. WTF!?! I hope it's colder than shit this winter. should be low 70's right now

Whiskey
 
mrplunkey said:
Yes, and prior to 1492 it was almost universally recognized among cartographers that the world is flat.

Its probably best to stick to the hard science.


the hard science say's he's right........"to some degree". The only thing your side can argue is that it's a coincidence that this warming trend started concurrently with the industrial revolution. I'm not proffessing there's a clear and present answer currently, but research "MUST" be encouraged. But the free marketeers just want to go about their business unfettered..........which we can't do anymore because the technologies just around the corner are something the world has never been exposed to and due process must be taken in vetting these technologies. We these technologies we can't repeat what we did with plastic..............we're already going to see some serious issues with ocean fish due to the amenes being released into the water from the millions and millions of tons of plastic that get dumped into the ocean. Now we're talking about nano materials that are 5-6 times as durable as plastics. You have to expose plastic to a couple thousand degrees of heat to reclaim it...................easily 10x that with the new materials that will be made in the next decade. So that makes it much too costly to degrade..........so what? More dumping? This can't go on forever.
 
dead_reggin_storage_fashi said:
I never said I was correct just my 2 cents. I just feel the recent change 10 yrs of last 30 yrs in the total time the earth has been around is too small of a time frame to draw any conclusions about anything unless a sudden single change happened. IE rock from space hit, volcano went off etc


do some research. you know, like what scientists have been doing for the last 30 years or so. study the climate changes for the last 100 years, measure the sea levels, the shore lines, the ozone.

or, you could watch the al gore documentary and check into it yourself.
They haven't just looked at 10 or 30 years of data. I'm not sure what made you think they did, or what makes you think that ALL the world scientists who determined that global warmin IS taking place are not thinking clearly.
 
10 years? 30? 100? So what. How long was the last ICE age? How long was the "Global Warming" spell that allowed the dinosaurs to roam areas that are now so cold they and the plant life that supported them couldn't exist?

I'm not saying we shouldn't be good stewards of this earth, but to think we have singlehandedly created a global warming trend is pompous!
 
BNG said:
10 years? 30? 100? So what. How long was the last ICE age? How long was the "Global Warming" spell that allowed the dinosaurs to roam areas that are now so cold they and the plant life that supported them couldn't exist?

I'm not saying we shouldn't be good stewards of this earth, but to think we have singlehandedly created a global warming trend is pompous!

are you serious?
to think that we have done anything to the earth is pompous? why is that, because there's so many other creatures on this earth that are affecting it?

lol, yeah, all our fuel, and sprays and chemicals and oil spills and cutting down trees and cars and polution and industry... how rediculous of us to think we've had any effect.

take a look at the data.
 
Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average.

Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.

Industrialization, deforestation, and pollution have greatly increased atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, all greenhouse gases that help trap heat near Earth's surface.

because of the rise in earth's temperature, sea level could rise between 7 and 23 inches (18 to 59 centimeters) by century's end. Some hundred million people live within 3 feet of sea level, and much of the world's population is concentrated in vulnerable coastal cities. In the U.S., Louisiana and Florida are especially at risk.
 
..heck, it is HOT in here too! With superqt4u2nv's avi the temp went up like 20 degrees! :heart: The only solution I see is to rub her down with baby oil to cool of that smokkin' body.... :heart:
 
BNG said:
10 years? 30? 100? So what. How long was the last ICE age? How long was the "Global Warming" spell that allowed the dinosaurs to roam areas that are now so cold they and the plant life that supported them couldn't exist?

I'm not saying we shouldn't be good stewards of this earth, but to think we have singlehandedly created a global warming trend is pompous!


to the best of our knowledge there has never been a creature on earth like us...........we're manipulating things at the atomic level now, soon sub atomic if not already. We're doing things not done anywhere in the universe under any conditions.............to think that there's no possiblity of us affecting our environments is dangerously naive.
 
Lets keep this on track. We have not caused the whole warming trend in the last 100 years by what we're doing. We obviously have an effect on our environment, but continuing to ignore my questions and ranting about what someones study has "proven" isn't a convincing argument.
How much revenue is being generated by "global Warming"? How many grants have been funded? There is a lot of money being spent on this and yet we are looking at the last century and panicking because of a 1 1/2 degree change?
It has to be asked. What were the temperatures for the many thousands of years previously? Is the current situation really a point where we should be so alarmed? How much money are peeps like Gore making on this?
There is a petrified forest in the western U.S. Why? What happened to the moisture that allowed the trees to grow there however many thousands of years ago? Why did it just dry up before man was even around? Why are there marine fossils in the desert?
We are such a small part of what is happening that to panic about it is ridiculous. How anybody can keep a straight face and claim to be a global warming expert is beyond me. There are many questions that need answers before we think we can stop it.
 
It was just in the upper 80's... now it's in the upper 40's. WTF?

I hate heat, though. At least it's almost jacket weather now.



:cow:
 
BNG said:
Lets keep this on track. We have not caused the whole warming trend in the last 100 years by what we're doing. We obviously have an effect on our environment, but continuing to ignore my questions and ranting about what someones study has "proven" isn't a convincing argument.
How much revenue is being generated by "global Warming"? How many grants have been funded? There is a lot of money being spent on this and yet we are looking at the last century and panicking because of a 1 1/2 degree change?
It has to be asked. What were the temperatures for the many thousands of years previously? Is the current situation really a point where we should be so alarmed? How much money are peeps like Gore making on this?
There is a petrified forest in the western U.S. Why? What happened to the moisture that allowed the trees to grow there however many thousands of years ago? Why did it just dry up before man was even around? Why are there marine fossils in the desert?
We are such a small part of what is happening that to panic about it is ridiculous. How anybody can keep a straight face and claim to be a global warming expert is beyond me. There are many questions that need answers before we think we can stop it.

the other day I posted an article that stated that the total output of CO2 due to man is below the error of measurement of atmospheric CO2, and is less than .01% of what the earth produces naturally so how can it be significant in the grand scheme of things,
 
redsamurai said:
to the best of our knowledge there has never been a creature on earth like us...........we're manipulating things at the atomic level now, soon sub atomic if not already. We're doing things not done anywhere in the universe under any conditions.............to think that there's no possiblity of us affecting our environments is dangerously naive.

agreed.
I love the "why now?" argument, as if it's silly to think that the rate that technology and industry has advanced in the last 100 years isn't having a devastatingly fast effect on the earth.

and what I find funnier, is all these internet scientists who think they know more than every scientist and environmentalist and earth study expert who has confirmed that there's a problem.

they should all be pointed here, so that the geniuses of EF can tell them how pompous they are.
 
redguru said:
the other day I posted an article that stated that the total output of CO2 due to man is below the error of measurement of atmospheric CO2, and is less than .01% of what the earth produces naturally so how can it be significant in the grand scheme of things,

redguru no wants to read this and believe it..

it would make them wrong.. because to many people told them that everything we've done is signifigantly effecting the world..

and well you know how people hate being wrong.. I believed in global warming until I read things like this.. form very credible sources..

Stilleto western canada is still cold as fuck.. especially up north.. I really don't think it's changed that derastically.

LESS THAN .01% of what the earth produces naturally.. wow.. that is NOTHING!! that is almost not even worth measuring.. but clearly this is ALL still our fault.. we've had a HUGE impact on global warming..

I don't buy it..
 
BNG said:
. There are many questions that need answers before we think we can stop it.


agreed, but we have to ask those questions NOW........not in 50-100 years. Whether we're responsible or not we'd better come up with some plans if it looks like the earth is going to get nasty for anyone living on the surface. That's what kills me.........people are arguing about whether we're causing it or not............when archaelogy has shown us that a few times in our history all life has been wiped out on the planets surface. If those polar ice caps continue to melt as they are, fuck all if we're responsible or not because it may be too late to stop it even if we were...................but if they continue to melt things are going to get a whole lot different on this planet on some pretty fundamental levels. If you're not addressing this........you're pissing in the wind. So at least I'll give the global warming people credit for acknowledging something is going on that could very likely alter the way humanity exists on this planet. It's almost a pedantic discussion who's at fault.........things are changing, if we can temper the changes by changing the way we do things...........well than by all fuckin means let's man up and do it. But I agree that a WHOLE lot more needs to be researched. But to expect the market to come up with a solution on a dime when mother earth decides to take a shit on us.............is really fuckin stupid.
 
FriendlyCanadian said:
redguru no wants to read this and believe it..

it would make them wrong.. because to many people told them that everything we've done is signifigantly effecting the world..

and well you know how people hate being wrong.. I believed in global warming until I read things like this.. form very credible sources..

Stilleto western canada is still cold as fuck.. especially up north.. I really don't think it's changed that derastically.

LESS THAN .01% of what the earth produces naturally.. wow.. that is NOTHING!! that is almost not even worth measuring.. but clearly this is ALL still our fault.. we've had a HUGE impact on global warming..

I don't buy it..


"that drastically"?
what is drastically? 1 degree average in the last 5 years? you certainly wouldn't feel that, right? and definately not if it was in the last 10 years.

but... if over 50 or 100 years, the average temp went up 5 degrees, just enough to melt the polar ice caps just a LITTLE... what effect would that have?

you don't know, do you?

scientists do.
 
for all you skeptics- for an easy to access, interesting, and well presented explanation on global warming, rent al gore's documentary.

He's probably going to win a nobel prize for it, so you can count on the fact that it's accurate. The nobel committee doesn't "fall for stuff".
 
I just dropped a nice GAS eaten 502ci / 550bhp and 650flbs of snatch your ass back in the seat bowtie..... In a 85 CJ7... 4x4 anyone...
 
Well... then let's for a moment buy-into the false assumption that global warming is man-made -- or at least the 51% of it is man made. Let's furthermore buy-into the notion that it will create the catastrophes that the doom sayers claim. Then our course of action is clear: We must annihilate India and China immediately.

If the 600ish million people in first-world countries are responsible for 51% of this damage, then the 3ish billion people in these countries with rapidly-expanding middle classes (where the bulk of consumption occurs) will drive this number 5 fold -- or to 255% of its current contribution.

So maybe we could all slash our consumption by half (which is completely unrealistic) and take our 51% contribution to 25.5%, but then we're still dealing with China and India's ultimate 255% contribution. So which one do we want? The 25% reduction or the 255% one?

Its the only logical choice, if you buy-into the entire global warming argument.
 
stilleto said:
for all you skeptics- for an easy to access, interesting, and well presented explanation on global warming, rent al gore's documentary.
That would be like me quoting Rush Limbaugh's views on global warming. Hardly an unbiased *or* scientific source. Granted, Rush is a lot smarter than Al (no big feat though, because most people are), neither one is that credible.
 
I started a thread last week showing scientific fallacies in Al Gore's "Documentary" and some outright lies. even Al says some points were "exagerrated" but as long as they bring the message home it's all good. The premier Hurricane meteorologist in the world says there is no correlation between Hurricane Strength and the Global Warming phenomenon. But he isn't a real scientist? Because only Real Scientists agree with Al Gore?
 
stilleto, While my I.Q. is pretty high it's not quite at genius level. Thanks though. :)

Still you've ignored my questions so I figure that although you're quite passionate (good thing) about what you believe, you've also reached a point where you are no longer interested in gathering more info on the subject unless it matches your view. (bad thing)

There are scientists that are not in agreement with the global warming theory being presented. They are the ones presenting the info that redguru and F.C. are pointing out. There is more to this than the media is presenting.They agree the temperatures have come up. That isn't the issue. Most of the presented info is more alarmist than informist and is from a fixed point of view. There can't be a cure for something thats a normal phenomenon. If we humans alter the natural cycle of the earths atmosphere (warming and cooling) do you not believe there will be repercussions? So lets address what we are doing, not trying to manipulate the atmosphere.
The earths warming and cooling is normal. The temperature rises, melts snow and ice, water evaporates, moisture falls back to earth. This cycle speeds up when temperatures are higher as there is a higher evaporation rate. When it's cooler it is slower. We can't change any of that. The earth heals itself to some extent. Remember the hole in the ozone layer? Where is it now? Why isn't the fact that it closed up in the news?
The amount of greenhouse gases released should be regulated, and I have no problem with the idea of doing what we can. Pollution is a bad thing, and there are many things that can be done to improve our situation, but watching Al Gores "expertly" presented point of view is hardly the end all to collecting data and solving a problem. His movie is nothing more than a way to generate interest in his cause, and it's working. It's also generating huge revenues due to the hype, interest, grants, ect.

On another note, the hydrogen fueled cars are coming into the market. Why has no one asked what the practice of burning water will cause? Maybe melting the polar ice caps is exactly what will be needed to fuel all these new high tech cars.

You've not read "How to win friends, and influence people"?
 
BNG said:
Remember the hole in the ozone layer? Where is it now? Why isn't the fact that it closed up in the news?

Are you serious?

I've not heard that. Not doubting your info, but is there a link somewhere?

You will be hard pressed to find someone more skeptical of media hype and propoganda than me, but still why have I not heard of this?

Damn, if that's the case....
 
BIKINIMOM said:
Are you serious?

I've not heard that. Not doubting your info, but is there a link somewhere?

You will be hard pressed to find someone more skeptical of media hype and propoganda than me, but still why have I not heard of this?

Damn, if that's the case....

It hasn't closed but it has shrunk in the previous year. Also it seems it may not be related to the flourocarbon content of the stratosphere like originally thought.
 
redguru said:
It hasn't closed but it has shrunk in the previous year. Also it seems it may not be related to the flourocarbon content of the stratosphere like originally thought.

Do scientists believe that this may be due in part to the decreased use of CFC's (was that chloroflourocarbons? or am I just adding a prefix to make myself sound smarter LOL?) ....if there was a decrease?

Wait a minute, I just reread your statement - duh... answered my own question.

So now the experts are saying that this is just a "natural cycle"?

In any event, I am all about saving the planet and not polluting, etc but when I hear all the extremists with their "doom talk" it totally turns me off and I don't hear ANY of their message.... very counterproductive IMHO.
 
The earths warming and cooling is normal. The temperature rises, melts snow and ice, water evaporates, moisture falls back to earth. This cycle speeds up when temperatures are higher as there is a higher evaporation rate. When it's cooler it is slower. We can't change any of that. The earth heals itself to some extent. Remember the hole in the ozone layer? Where is it now? Why isn't the fact that it closed up in the news?

Yeah the earth heals itself, and it does so in catastrophic ways. You have a fundamental lack of understanding of "systems" and how all systems in the known universe always pull back to equilibrium if they're unbalanced. This is why scientists are worried...........the earth seems to be out of balance, so what is she going to do to get herself back in balance? Nobody knows.........but from observations of the universe and other planetary bodies, things can get fucked really quick. If we throw this planet to far off balance in some way...........it has the ability to take some biblical actions to right itself. We know this because we've seen what happens in systems of nature here on the micro level...........as well as what is happening on other planets.


On another note, the hydrogen fueled cars are coming into the market. Why has no one asked what the practice of burning water will cause? Maybe melting the polar ice caps is exactly what will be needed to fuel all these new high tech cars.


you do know that hydrogen cars don't "burn water"...........right? Water is the byproduct............water vapor is what's going to come out of the tailpipe.


You've not read "How to win friends, and influence people"?[/QUOTE]
 
mrplunkey said:
That would be like me quoting Rush Limbaugh's views on global warming. Hardly an unbiased *or* scientific source. Granted, Rush is a lot smarter than Al (no big feat though, because most people are), neither one is that credible.


I am in awe of your intellectual antennae.............actually you're an idiot and I have proof.

Al gore:

attended the elite St. Albans School where he ranked 25th (of 51) in his senior class.[10] In preparation for his college applications, Gore scored a 1355 on his SAT (625 in verbal and 730 in math). [10] Al Gore's IQ scores, from tests administered at St. Alban's School in 1961 and 1964 (his freshman and senior years) respectively, have been recorded as 133 and 134. [10]

In 1965, Gore enrolled at Harvard College, the only university to which he applied. His roommate (in Dunster House) was actor Tommy Lee Jones. He scored in the lower fifth of the class for two years in a row[11] and, after finding himself bored with his classes in his declared English major, Gore switched majors and found a passion for government and graduated with honors from Harvard in June 1969 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in government. [10] After returning from the military he took religious studies courses at Vanderbilt and then entered the university's law school. He left Vanderbilt without a degree when he left to run for an open seat in Tennessee's 3rd Congressional District in 1976.


now, you're intellectual hero Rush Limbaugh:

He attended Southeast Missouri State University, where he earned a "D" in a speech class. (Some contend it was an "F".)[5] Limbaugh dropped out after two semesters and one summer; according to his mother, "he flunked everything", even a modern ballroom dancing class.[2] This would have normally made him eligible to be drafted for service in the Vietnam War but he was classified as "1-Y" (later reclassified "4-F") due to a diagnosis of Pilonidal disease.[6][2]



I'm not a fan of Gore, his lip smaking make me want to throw a left hook to his jaw...............but get a hold of yourself sunshine, the man was in congress and served on the house armed service's committee. And whether you like him or not, he was VP. Harvard may graduate dangerous ideologues, but they don't graduate intellectual midgets like Limbaugh. When Gore was in the house armed services committee, Limbaugh was a top 40 dj in Pittsburgh................HARDLY the resume of Al Gore.


NOW GO HAVE A COKE AND A SMILE AND STFU!!
 
redsamurai said:
You have a fundamental lack of understanding of "systems"
Please explain yourself.

I am simply saying that there is far more evidence of drastic climate changes that took place without the influence of man, and that the current changes may not be all that the alarmists would have us believe. The earth has gone through tremendous changes for many thousands of years before us, many of which would not have been conducive to comfortable living conditions. We now are hearing the expert opinions of people that are looking at the current changes as a result of mans influence. I for one believe that mankind has not done near the damage we are trying to take credit for. Yes, we have done some dumb stuff and will continue to. The thing is global warming is far from a proven science, opinions vary even within the scientific community.

I don't have a list of links but there are more writings about this now that it's a political hotbed than before. My "burning water" comment was brought on by a newscast the other night where they were talking about drought. If we don't have the water to feed the needs of people then how are we going to have enough for everyone to use it to fuel cars? On that note why is it that all the hydrogen burning cars have exhaust at all? If the process only yield water then shouldn't it be a closed loop system? This thread will get moved to the "science & education" board. :D
 
redsamurai said:
I am in awe of your intellectual antennae.............actually you're an idiot and I have proof.
To.... be..... insulted..... by..... the..... "......" guy.... is..... a..... badge.....of.....honor.....

You may now continue on with your uninformed, overly-emotional, liberally-focused, strangely-punctuated rants. As a matter of fact, please do. I could use the entertainment.
 
BNG said:
Please explain yourself.
I am simply saying that there is far more evidence of drastic climate changes that took place without the influence of man, and that the current changes may not be all that the alarmists would have us believe. The earth has gone through tremendous changes for many thousands of years before us, many of which would not have been conducive to comfortable living conditions. We now are hearing the expert opinions of people that are looking at the current changes as a result of mans influence. I for one believe that mankind has not done near the damage we are trying to take credit for. Yes, we have done some dumb stuff and will continue to. The thing is global warming is far from a proven science, opinions vary even within the scientific community.


agreed, opinions do vary. My point is that regardless of whether man is at fault for this and that, like you said, history has shown that the earth has gone through tremendous changes. We should focusing on whether such an occurrence is upon us and whether or not we care if our species continues. If we can do something to alleviate the problem, fine.........if not, we have to figure a way to get off the planet or be prepared to wether the conditions if they arise. My point about "systems" is that the whole universe is made up of "systems", from the micro to the macro. Conditions on the earth's surface are a result of not just external events, but internal as well. We need to be as certain as possible that we're doing little to upset the delicate balance of the natural destruction and renewal that goes on in this system. It is possible there may be very little we can do..........but small things like eroding the ozone layer or creating substances that have no natural degradation process can prove to be very dangerous in the short term.


I don't have a list of links but there are more writings about this now that it's a political hotbed than before. My "burning water" comment was brought on by a newscast the other night where they were talking about drought. If we don't have the water to feed the needs of people then how are we going to have enough for everyone to use it to fuel cars? On that note why is it that all the hydrogen burning cars have exhaust at all? If the process only yield water then shouldn't it be a closed loop system? This thread will get moved to the "science & education" board. :D

it's not a closed loop system because fuel cells require a replenishable reactant. And the fuel cells I'm speaking of actually create water as a byproduct because they're combining hydrogen and oxygen to create electricity. So they're putting water back into the environment.


"In essence, a fuel cell works by catalysis, separating the component electrons and protons of the reactant fuel, and forcing the electrons to travel through a circuit, hence converting them to electrical power. Another catalytic process takes the electrons back in, combining them with the protons and the oxidant to form waste products (typically simple compounds like water and carbon dioxide)."
 
mrplunkey said:
To.... be..... insulted..... by..... the..... "......" guy.... is..... a..... badge.....of.....honor.....

You may now continue on with your uninformed, overly-emotional, liberally-focused, strangely-punctuated rants. As a matter of fact, please do. I could use the entertainment.


I see you're entertained by your own pwnge? Please, if you will............respond to the evidence I showed as to how there is no way Rush Limbaugh is smarter than Al Gore. You can't, I know you can't............but it will be amusing for me to watch you try.
 
redsamurai said:
agreed, opinions do vary. My point is that regardless of whether man is at fault for this and that, like you said, history has shown that the earth has gone through tremendous changes. We should focusing on whether such an occurrence is upon us and whether or not we care if our species continues. If we can do something to alleviate the problem, fine.........if not, we have to figure a way to get off the planet or be prepared to wether the conditions if they arise. My point about "systems" is that the whole universe is made up of "systems", from the micro to the macro. Conditions on the earth's surface are a result of not just external events, but internal as well. We need to be as certain as possible that we're doing little to upset the delicate balance of the natural destruction and renewal that goes on in this system. It is possible there may be very little we can do..........but small things like eroding the ozone layer or creating substances that have no natural degradation process can prove to be very dangerous in the short term.




it's not a closed loop system because fuel cells require a replenishable reactant. And the fuel cells I'm speaking of actually create water as a byproduct because they're combining hydrogen and oxygen to create electricity. So they're putting water back into the environment.


"In essence, a fuel cell works by catalysis, separating the component electrons and protons of the reactant fuel, and forcing the electrons to travel through a circuit, hence converting them to electrical power. Another catalytic process takes the electrons back in, combining them with the protons and the oxidant to form waste products (typically simple compounds like water and carbon dioxide)."


To make the hydrogen fuel cell in the first place, you have to crack the most readily available source of hydrogen which is h2o, Anhydrous Ammonia is another source but requires high temperature crackers, and is a dangerous fuel to carry due to fumes.
 
redguru said:
To make the hydrogen fuel cell in the first place, you have to crack the most readily available source of hydrogen which is h2o, Anhydrous Ammonia is another source but requires high temperature crackers, and is a dangerous fuel to carry due to fumes.


they're making fuel cells from different stuff now. I think they've got diesel and methanol cells, not sure. But either way, water usage aint' that much in the first place, but even if it was.........it's recycled into the atmosphere. The amount of water on this planet anyway is ridiculous..........an incalculable order of magnitude greater than oil.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Monday, 8 Oct 2007
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when I click "View a Webcam" nothing happens.. I think your link is broken
 
redsamurai said:
I am in awe of your intellectual antennae.............actually you're an idiot and I have proof.

Al gore:

attended the elite St. Albans School where he ranked 25th (of 51) in his senior class.[10] In preparation for his college applications, Gore scored a 1355 on his SAT (625 in verbal and 730 in math). [10] Al Gore's IQ scores, from tests administered at St. Alban's School in 1961 and 1964 (his freshman and senior years) respectively, have been recorded as 133 and 134. [10]

In 1965, Gore enrolled at Harvard College, the only university to which he applied. His roommate (in Dunster House) was actor Tommy Lee Jones. He scored in the lower fifth of the class for two years in a row[11] and, after finding himself bored with his classes in his declared English major, Gore switched majors and found a passion for government and graduated with honors from Harvard in June 1969 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in government. [10] After returning from the military he took religious studies courses at Vanderbilt and then entered the university's law school. He left Vanderbilt without a degree when he left to run for an open seat in Tennessee's 3rd Congressional District in 1976.


now, you're intellectual hero Rush Limbaugh:

He attended Southeast Missouri State University, where he earned a "D" in a speech class. (Some contend it was an "F".)[5] Limbaugh dropped out after two semesters and one summer; according to his mother, "he flunked everything", even a modern ballroom dancing class.[2] This would have normally made him eligible to be drafted for service in the Vietnam War but he was classified as "1-Y" (later reclassified "4-F") due to a diagnosis of Pilonidal disease.[6][2]



I'm not a fan of Gore, his lip smaking make me want to throw a left hook to his jaw...............but get a hold of yourself sunshine, the man was in congress and served on the house armed service's committee. And whether you like him or not, he was VP. Harvard may graduate dangerous ideologues, but they don't graduate intellectual midgets like Limbaugh. When Gore was in the house armed services committee, Limbaugh was a top 40 dj in Pittsburgh................HARDLY the resume of Al Gore.


NOW GO HAVE A COKE AND A SMILE AND STFU!!


Sweet.. my IQ is 135, I'm smarter then Al gore.. at least I was.. when I was 9.. that can go up or down by five points.. probably down considering the copious amounts of alcohol I've consumed.

Also stating that hardvard doesn't graduate mental midgets is a bit much, yes they have some of the most intelligent people aswell, but in recent years, harvard has lost MUCH of it's credibility. Due to the fact that to many students have been recieving A's mostly because their parents have been paying their way through Harvard, so it does happen, mind you not often, but if it happens anywhere it's Harvard, remember it's a business.. and an EXTREMELY profitable one.

I just wanted to say that because I was talking about that with my prof today.. that's all.. not that I'd mind going to harvard or anything.. =)
 
FriendlyCanadian said:
Sweet.. my IQ is 135, I'm smarter then Al gore.. at least I was.. when I was 9.. that can go up or down by five points.. probably down considering the copious amounts of alcohol I've consumed.

Also stating that hardvard doesn't graduate mental midgets is a bit much, yes they have some of the most intelligent people aswell, but in recent years, harvard has lost MUCH of it's credibility. Due to the fact that to many students have been recieving A's mostly because their parents have been paying their way through Harvard, so it does happen, mind you not often, but if it happens anywhere it's Harvard, remember it's a business.. and an EXTREMELY profitable one.

I just wanted to say that because I was talking about that with my prof today.. that's all.. not that I'd mind going to harvard or anything.. =)
Correct!

FC, you have pointed-out just one of the many, many, many flaws in "......-boy"'s argument. That's why I didn't address his comment in the first place. Equating the school you manage to get into, or the grades you get while attending, or the degree you earned at the time to real-world intelligence is just plain... unintelligent.

Using his logic, I guess the posters on this board with advanced degrees (i.e. Ph.D.'s) are smarter and better than the ones without.
 
mrplunkey said:
Correct!

FC, you have pointed-out just one of the many, many, many flaws in "......-boy"'s argument. That's why I didn't address his comment in the first place. Equating the school you manage to get into, or the grades you get while attending, or the degree you earned at the time to real-world intelligence is just plain... unintelligent.

Using his logic, I guess the posters on this board with advanced degrees (i.e. Ph.D.'s) are smarter and better than the ones without.


there tends to be somewhat of a correlation you numbnut...........now you owe me K for the massive p'wnge I dropped on you. I mean it's almost fitting since such a ownage in the real world would pretty much end with you on your knees infront of me giving me fellation. Yes I agree that grades and where you graduated from aren't the be all end all........but the difference between Limbaugh's career and Gore's carreer is too vast. Limbaugh is not even on the same playing field as Gore.............otherwise one of the republican presidents would have picked him as VP wouldn't they? Care to explain why they haven't? not that i need any explanation I know full well why.........but he's your hero so let's hear it.
 
redsamurai said:
there tends to be somewhat of a correlation you numbnut...........now you owe me K for the massive p'wnge I dropped on you. I mean it's almost fitting since such a ownage in the real world would pretty much end with you on your knees infront of me giving me fellation. Yes I agree that grades and where you graduated from aren't the be all end all........but the difference between Limbaugh's career and Gore's carreer is too vast. Limbaugh is not even on the same playing field as Gore.............otherwise one of the republican presidents would have picked him as VP wouldn't they? Care to explain why they haven't? not that i need any explanation I know full well why.........but he's your hero so let's hear it.
"dropping p'wnge"? What world do you come from? You're not one of those guys who live in his mom's basement and play with lightsabers are you? And what's this about "fellation"? There is something funny about a comment like that coming from a guy who has never kissed a girl. Here's my image of you:

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Now, back to the intelligence argument. Do you know what takes intelligence? Getting on the air each day and addressing millions of people regarding contemporary issues. The world around you picks the topic -- you don't get to choose. "Wooden Al" on the other hand, has always been a crusader -- a one-topic guy. I personally believe the biggest reason for this is his complete and utter lack of personality, speaking skills and persuasive ability. When he's speaking about his crusade, he's boring and monotonous but when he's speaking about anything else then yes, he's even worse. The one crusade that's finally stuck for him is the environment -- and he's been bilking it for all its worth ever since.

So yeah. I do think a guy who competes successfully in the free market every day decade after decade is "smarter" in some ways than a lifetime politician who throws himself after any cause he thinks will stick.

Now, go back to your World of Warcraft session. Your guild-mates (or whatever you guys call each other now) probably miss your "utter p'wnage" online.
 
I wonder if Al Gore thinks humanity is responsible for the Global Warming simultaneously occurring on Mars?
 
mrplunkey[QUOTE said:
]"dropping p'wnge"? What world do you come from? You're not one of those guys who live in his mom's basement and play with lightsabers are you? And what's this about "fellation"? There is something funny about a comment like that coming from a guy who has never kissed a girl. Here's my image of you:


you:


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me:

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please notice the drastic uptick in masculinity from pic one to pic two. Are you shitting in a bucket? And nice legs you beast...............my forearms are on par with your calves. Don't talk to me again worm........I shit bigger than you...........no seriously I do. You would pee down your pantleg if we stood face to face. Now suck me bitch!!


Now, back to the intelligence argument. Do you know what takes intelligence? Getting on the air each day and addressing millions of people regarding contemporary issues. The world around you picks the topic -- you don't get to choose
.


Lemme see if I get this straight............having your own radio talk show where you have a 10 second delay to edit out anything that rubs you the wrong way, and basically have the power to cut anyone off at anytime.........this is your definition of intelligence? Pandering your opinion to an admittedly willing audience is "intelligence"? No wonder you're completely intellectually unimpressive. Intelligence is being able to stand your ground in a completely unfettered forum where people can finish their points without having a host who's stacking the deck against them by controlling the conversation. You're still an idiot............seriously you're useless. Your side has men like George Will and yet you will listen to Limbaugh.............that speaks VOLUMES about the level of your intelligence.



"Wooden Al" on the other hand, has always been a crusader -- a one-topic guy. I personally believe the biggest reason for this is his complete and utter lack of personality, speaking skills and persuasive ability. When he's speaking about his crusade, he's boring and monotonous but when he's speaking about anything else then yes, he's even worse. The one crusade that's finally stuck for him is the environment -- and he's been bilking it for all its worth ever since.


yes, he is completely boring and doesn't have much of a vibrant personality.............so what? Does that make him stupid? You don't a personality nor do you have much character................does that make you stu............oh wait, never mind.


Now, go back to your World of Warcraft session. Your guild-mates (or whatever you guys call each other now) probably miss your "utter p'wnage" online.


you display more knowledge of this game in one post than I have entirely............I've heard of this game, but I've never played it nor seen anyone else play it. Why do you know so much? What's a guild? Enlighten me chicken legs..................wait, don't..........I'm done with you. You're going on ignore, which means after this I won't ever see a post of yours again............you don't belong on the same plane of existence that I do. Later.......................chicken legs. :lmao:
 
lol at the Internet scientists disputing the findings of the best scientists in this field. And then making fun of Al Gore's credibility. That's funny.

Can't believe none of the global warming is bullshit crowd have trotted out the volcano nonsense yet.
 
redsamurai said:
OMG I didn't know you were one of those puffed-up roid guys who've never heard of aromatase inhibitors! Yeah, your puffy-nippled, round-all-over look must get all the womenz! Dude I had no idea you looked like that. Hell, now I feel sorry for you. I figured I was simply arguing with a fairly normal-looking guy who was just mildly retarded. Now I come to find out you're a loser all-around. We'll hell... now I feel like I was picking on the kid that drools and wears a safety helmet at school.

P.S. Keep bulking dude! No need to have cuts or definition.
 
bluepeter said:
lol at the Internet scientists disputing the findings of the best scientists in this field. And then making fun of Al Gore's credibility. That's funny.

Can't believe none of the global warming is bullshit crowd have trotted out the volcano nonsense yet.

Hmmm, William Gray is at the top of his game and disagrees wholeheartedly with the Global Warming crowd. Also he rebukes Gore for claiming Global Warming has anything to do with hurricane strength. There's no one on the planet that knows more about tropical cyclones than he.
 
redguru said:
Hmmm, William Gray is at the top of his game and disagrees wholeheartedly with the Global Warming crowd. Also he rebukes Gore for claiming Global Warming has anything to do with hurricane strength. There's no one on the planet that knows more about tropical cyclones than he.


he's in a small crowd though. I don't know, I'm glad there's a debate though.........can't ask for more than that. Infrastructure's don't change overnight.
 
redguru said:
Hmmm, William Gray is at the top of his game and disagrees wholeheartedly with the Global Warming crowd. Also he rebukes Gore for claiming Global Warming has anything to do with hurricane strength. There's no one on the planet that knows more about tropical cyclones than he.

Awesome. He's one dissenter out of how many?

Yeah.
 
bluepeter said:
Awesome. He's one dissenter out of how many?

Yeah.
So were Christopher Columbus, Louis Pasteur, Albert Einstein and Charles Darwin early-on in the debate but who cares, its easier to get wrapped-up in the "We're killing mother Earth and all gonna die" than it is to admit we just don't know what's going on yet.

And besides, this is all empty debate. Even if some of it was man-made, China and India are going to contribute 10x+ the damage as their middle class grows. So are we gonna nuke those two countries back into the stone age in order to save Mother Earth?
 
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god......I waited this long to do this? WTF is my problem.........this is awesome!!! :artist:
 
mrplunkey said:
So were Christopher Columbus, Louis Pasteur, Albert Einstein and Charles Darwin early-on in the debate but who cares, its easier to get wrapped-up in the "We're killing mother Earth and all gonna die" than it is to admit we just don't know what's going on yet.

And besides, this is all empty debate. Even if some of it was man-made, China and India are going to contribute 10x+ the damage as their middle class grows. So are we gonna nuke those two countries back into the stone age in order to save Mother Earth?

Classic. Let's compare it to other controversial topics from hundreds of years ago to muddy the waters a touch. And just when they're hitting that opaque stage, let's throw out the tried and true we can't do anything about it anyway just to complete the obfuscation. And just in case THAT doesn't do it for ya, let's throw in the fact that Al Gore is a liberal commie who sensationalized a few facts in his movie.

Ahhhhh, that's better.

The best part of all is that many of these Internet scientists who are shouting that we need to ask these tough questions because we JUST DON'T KNOW are the same clowns that accept Bush corp. at face value and refuse to question him and his admin. They are also often the same clowns who unquestioningly believe in an all-knowing, all-seeing being.

How ironic.
 
look who you're quoting...........he doesn't get that china and india are well aware of this potential problem. And that the next generation energy solutions will probably come from one of the Asian countries in conjunction with India possibly. They are going to lead the world into the 22 century. Al that will be left here are aging ideologues who still beleive in the efficacy of the new Roman empire...........only the rest of the world won't care cause they will have moved on.


bluepeter said:
Classic. Let's compare it to other controversial topics from hundreds of years ago to muddy the waters a touch. And just when they're hitting that opaque stage, let's throw out the tried and true we can't do anything about it anyway just to complete the obfuscation. And just in case THAT doesn't do it for ya, let's throw in the fact that Al Gore is a liberal commie who sensationalized a few facts in his movie.

Ahhhhh, that's better.

The best part of all is that many of these Internet scientists who are shouting that we need to ask these tough questions because we JUST DON'T KNOW are the same clowns that accept Bush corp. at face value and refuse to question him and his admin. They are also often the same clowns who unquestioningly believe in an all-knowing, all-seeing being.

How ironic.
 
red and blue, why don't you guys get a room? doesn't seem like you wanna exchange ideas, your minds are made up and shaped
 
redsamurai said:
look who you're quoting...........he doesn't get that china and india are well aware of this potential problem. And that the next generation energy solutions will probably come from one of the Asian countries in conjunction with India possibly. They are going to lead the world into the 22 century. Al that will be left here are aging ideologues who still beleive in the efficacy of the new Roman empire...........only the rest of the world won't care cause they will have moved on.
spoken like someone who's never been to India *OR* China. These people aren't going to be leading anything in energy. They are going to be taking our hand-me-down cars and other mid 20th-century technologies and make the best of them. I know this lecture is offering pearls to swine, but I'll do it anyway. If you are a chineese manufacturer cranking-out TV's or furnature or motorcycles, you are going to look at energy as a nuisance. If you can get your hands on coal or oil and crank-out more TV's or furnature or motorcycles, you're going to do it because your comparative advantage is due to labor costs -- not your energy costs.

So yeah... you keep thinking those three billion people are going to be driving around with fuel cells living carbon-neutral lives. Get a grip.
 
bluepeter said:
Classic. Let's compare it to other controversial topics from hundreds of years ago to muddy the waters a touch.
Yeah, fuck history. No sense studying the misassumptions of the past since we'll never make those mistakes again. I can't believe Universities even waste their time with history classes, since we all know better now.

bluepeter said:
And just in case THAT doesn't do it for ya, let's throw in the fact that Al Gore is a liberal commie who sensationalized a few facts in his movie.
So that's what we call blatant misrepresentations and lies? They're called "sensationalizing a few facts"? Good to know.
 
mrplunkey said:
Yeah, fuck history. No sense studying the misassumptions of the past since we'll never make those mistakes again. I can't believe Universities even waste their time with history classes, since we all know better now.

Give me a break. If you seriously are making that analogy and claiming it's on the same level then we have nothing to say to each other. You are simply convinced that it's a gigantic conspiracy and nobody can change your mind. Perhaps you and your buddy T-boy should hook up.


mrplunkey said:
So that's what we call blatant misrepresentations and lies? They're called "sensationalizing a few facts"? Good to know.

That's what various entities including the British court system have termed it. But you're smarter than all those retards too so who cares. Thanks for deigning to respond to my post.
 
you just don't get it dude, this guy is smarter than all the world's dedicated scientists put together despite the fact he's a businessman, no scientific background whatsoever. He is a classic example of an arrogant businessman who thinks success in one aspect of business naturally breeds insight into virtually every conceivable field of human endeavor known to man. I've been around guys like him my whole life.........and it starts from when they were born. You're raised to think you're the shit because of your upbringing......you will become an arrogant gasbag. Economists and businessman have no business even commenting on the scientific aspect of global warming...............the economic ramifications, absolutely. But listening to the "absolutes" these guys drop is mind numbing. They don't even want the conversation to take place because they're so sure of their economic destiny that the world couldn't possibly revolt against us because it was "made for us"..........oh yeah, this also a fundamental tenant of christianity......the whole "earth is our bounty" thing. :rolleyes:
At least I say it very well may be that global warming is inevitable whether humans were here or not...........but A)you'd better damn well figure that out "FOR SURE" and B) If it is the case it's unavoidable, we have to start preparing for fundamental changes in the way we live NOW.

An infrastructure to handle what may be coming doesn't happen overnight. These fuckin idiots!!!................ :mad:



bluepeter said:
Give me a break. If you seriously are making that analogy and claiming it's on the same level then we have nothing to say to each other. You are simply convinced that it's a gigantic conspiracy and nobody can change your mind. Perhaps you and your buddy T-boy should hook up.




That's what various entities including the British court system have termed it. But you're smarter than all those retards too so who cares. Thanks for deigning to respond to my post.
 
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