Girlfriend might be pregnant, need abortion options

[bigguns7]

Good fuckin god men.....Listen to yourselves...........If you could atleast agree that Children deserve the best................If you can not give that to them then you should not have them and for the idiot I know is going to follow this comment up saying what does $$ have to do with it "you are a prime example of ignorance" It's not $$ I am speaking of..........They deserve the best in life including love, education, both parents (YES BOTH). I had my daughter and she had a father that was taken away at an early age by fate and now I am raising her alone but to imply she deserves less than everything the world has to give is ludicris. TO think different is selfish and to bring a child into the world before you are capable of providing those things is also selfish and WRONG. Adoption is an option, true but do you ever know they will give all that is needed for that child either? Sometimes yes and I believe whole heartedly in adoption but the damage it does to the mother losing the child and eventually the abandonment issues it gives the the adopted child are always a problem. Even though the love it takes to let yourself go through the pain of giving your child away is great it doesn't matter.......the baby always later in life wonders inside why you didn't love them enough to try. Stop being to onsided Men.....and I say men because everyone of you spouting that BS have been men, the ones that DO NOT take care of the kids, DO NOT end up being the single parents, and DO NOT give birth.


PS. Paradox, You really showed your immaturity by giving me bad karma for expressing my opinion but since I am a adult I won't retaliate. I think people are allowed to believe differently and hopefully when you grow up you will realize that also.

So you're saying that if the child can't be brought up in the all-american textbook family unit, then it's chances at a life should be terminated? It sounds like you're preaching responsibility and consideration, but you're preaching the wrong sermon.

Maybe what you meant to say was, if you can't provide a normal and good upbringing for a child, you should be responsible enough to abstain from activities that could result in the birth of a child.

Personally, I disagree with you either way, but if you're saying what i think you're saying, then you disgust me.

I think abortion is appalling, but I do not feel that the woman's choice to end a pregnancy should be taken from her. Hence, regrettably I must say I am pro-choice. But, for you to make the assertion that abortion is what is best for the child if it can't grow up with a mommy and a daddy, that's dispicable.

I can use your rationale and say that if you have a child, and one parent leaves and never returns, you would be doing the child a favor to kill it right then. How would you feel if that were legalized - killing a child so it doesn't have to suffer emotional distress? That isn't your decision to make. Many great people have come from dysfunctional familes and abusive homes.

 

[Fonz]

FONZ, FONZ, FONZ. You are still trying to play scientist aren't you?

You might want to check out a basic high school biology book to look up the criteria for "life" or "living organism". There is no criteria for neural development or self-consciousness, since in many organisms these are never present.

Also, no scientist worth a shit, would state that animals are not living or "alive" simply because they are in a certain developmental stage. All higher life forms must progress through morphological stages to attain their final form. Is a caterpillar not a moth, simply because it is not morphologically a moth? Was it not genetically the same when it was a caterpillar as it is as a moth?

After 4 months, the child is NOT dependant on the mother?? What 4 month old fetus have you ever heard of survive? The youngest survival I have heard of was 26 weeks, around 6 months.



This is untrue. The embryo is never an extension of the mother, since that would imply that the embyro WAS the mother or genetically identical to the mother. A 1 year old infant is identical to the embryo in your scenario. A fetus/embryo is DEPENDANT on the mother, not an extension.



Stop being so mush headed

LOL Cockedzl....

Its 4.5 months actually. He was put in an incumbator. Its actually
in the Guiness Book.

Again, this argument is highly circular. An embryo becomes
a LIVING PERSON when it becomes self-aware. PERIOD.

I even got one wacko telling me that the DNA of the child
was alive.

I was like MUHAHA!!!!! Thats a good one.

By that comparison a Virus is alive.

This isn't directed at your cockedzl but I've seriously had it
with religious fanatics that just whisk scientific reasoning
away in favour of FARCICAL beliefs.

If this is pissing people off here, well GOOD.

Fonz

 

[Prometheus]

Again, this argument is highly circular. An embryo becomes
a LIVING PERSON when it becomes self-aware. PERIOD.

This isn't directed at your cockedzl but I've seriously had it
with religious fanatics that just whisk scientific reasoning
away in favour of FARCICAL beliefs.

I am not "religious" in the least (assuming that is an insult, right?) - but I still am uncertain as to when a life may be classified as "life" -- when it has a unique genetic foundation, when it may live free of its mother, or even when it's "self-aware" (although that definition is no more exact than the term "life"). science does not answer this question -- if it did, there would be no debate - I at least don't pretend to know it either.

 

[Fonz]

I am not "religious" in the least (assuming that is an insult, right?) - but I still am uncertain as to when a life may be classified as "life" -- when it has a unique genetic foundation, when it may live free of its mother, or even when it's "self-aware" (although that definition is no more exact than the term "life"). science does not answer this question -- if it did, there would be no debate - I at least don't pretend to know it either.

Sorry, I should have explained it better.

When the fetus becone SENTIENT or in other words SELF-AWARE
he cannot be terminated because he is an entity not
a non-entity composed of differentiated cells.

 

[Fonz]

I am not "religious" in the least (assuming that is an insult, right?) - but I still am uncertain as to when a life may be classified as "life" -- when it has a unique genetic foundation, when it may live free of its mother, or even when it's "self-aware" (although that definition is no more exact than the term "life"). science does not answer this question -- if it did, there would be no debate - I at least don't pretend to know it either.

Sorry, I should have explained it better.

When the fetus becone SENTIENT or in other words SELF-AWARE
he cannot be terminated because he is an entity not
a non-entity composed of differentiated cells.

Fonz

 

[bigguns7]

I'm interested in hearing the answer to this question:

Would you be in favor of making second trimester abortions illegal?

 

[Fonz]

I'm interested in hearing the answer to this question:

Would you be in favor of making second trimester abortions illegal?

Making something ilike abortion llegal is a legislative matter NOT
religious/judicial/executive.

The people in the district would have to vote.

However, Roe vs Wade superseeds this.

A president CAN theoretically order a bill through making
abortion illegal but that would mean political suicide.

Fonz

 

[bigguns7]

Making something ilike abortion llegal is a legislative matter NOT
religious/judicial/executive.

The people in the district would have to vote.

However, Roe vs Wade superseeds this.

A president CAN theoretically order a bill through making
abortion illegal but that would mean political suicide.

Fonz

I'm having trouble finding your answer in all that spin you just spit out.

 

[gymnast82]

Well I am the infamous GF of the " irresponsible sperm shootin hoodlum" we could argue the issue of pro life pro choice etc untill we are all blue in the face, BUT NOONE WILL BE INFLUENCED AT ALL. I think it is pointless, but I think it should be my choice if the 2-3 week old coupling of cells should stay implanted in my freakin uterus. IF I did choose to keep it it would die in the 2nd trimester because I have been told due to all the medicines I am on any fetus would be deformed, the fact that I had anorexia and bulimia so severly that I WILL have osteoperosis later in life and difficulty having children, and that I used many substances witthin the last month...but that is irrelevant. I do not believe in partial-birth and I have been very offended by the horrible images some bible beating hypocrites have placed in my head...It is disturbing to say the least, I am NOT having an easy time with this and your comments of responsibility and murder do not help me in the least. And I recently cut ties with my parents and am living month to month as a waitress while trying to go to school...I want no sympathy, but I wish you guys could stoip bickering.

PS Thank you for being so nice Star

 

[Star]

PS Thank you for being so nice Star

Honey, it's amazing how many opinions men have when they are the ones who only see the kids on weekends, send a lousy 200$ a week in support, and half the time start new families and throw the old one out like a pair of forgotten damn shoes. Don't listen to these numb nuts.........YOU know what is best for you because if you are incapable of being YOUR best then you are also incapable of being the best for a child.

BIGGUNS, next time I suggest you read my statements as is and stop trying to read between lines that aren't there so that you may somehow twist them to fit your inexperienced opinions. As far as I am concerned Damn Straight every child in the world deserves an ideal life, with ideal parents, in an ideal surrounding.........Is that necessarily possible NO but it is possible for a fuckin crack head living on welfare that already has 4 kids she can't feed to NOT have the fuckin kid in her belly to become another damn statistic with no father. Stop spouting your BS ..........Your close minded BS.........and think........just for a minute THINK...........when you have your child do you or do you not what it to have the best of everything you can give it.........2 parents, a home, education, love, and happiness? I damn well hope so! And to do that wether YOU like it or not it means waiting until you are able to provide that because EVERY CHILD DESERVES IT!!!!!!!!