Girlfriend might be pregnant, need abortion options

[Fonz]

Canadian Oak, I remember when you were on the boards confiding in JohnnyO that you thought you were gay, then you claimed you were bi. Why would anyone listen to your dumbass after years of bullshit stories you post here?

You people are being too hard on this guy, he knocked up his girl and he is not ready for kids. To say he shouldn't be fucking then is bullshit, you know you all did it in the past and it never even crossed your mind. We all fucked at the first chance we got, it is human nature to want to drop your load in a chick, unless you are Canadian Oak, then you opt for the butt.

Exactly.

NO, and i mean NO OUTSIDE influences should hamper
his decision-making process regarding the termination of the
fetus.

After you've heard all the arguments, make a decision and
stick to it. PERIOD. BUT , make sure its whats best for YOU
and your GF.

Do you think those pro-life people will help you
when tou have to have 2 jobs,change diapers 3X/day,
never fall asleep for more than 2-3hrs/day, no vacations,
debt etc.. etc..and the list goes on.

I bet 99% of the people on this thread haven't even had
a friend go through this. I have. And let me tell you its not fun.
In his case, he was catholic and was threatened with banishment
by his family if he aborted. Don't get me wrong, he loved his GF, but they were only 19, and that has severely screwed up his life.

Fonz

 

[bigguns7]

Let me get this straight, you're looking for a quick fix for getting an abortion on a tight budget?

Try these websites:


www.youresickyouirresponsiblefuck.com

www.imadumbasslookingforaquickwaytogetridofababy.com

www.atleasthavethedecencytopayforaproperabortion.com

 

[Fonz]

The problem with that discussion is the fact that almost every example you can give me of a characteristic that defines life but an embryo/fetus/whatever doesn't have, I can provide a counterpoint that shows that something that is considered to be human life doesn't have it either.



Speaking from a completely ignorant and egocentric point of view, of course, abortion would be an option. I'd be completely devoid of morality and myself would be the most important part of my decision-making, so the answer is yes. However, we do not live under a veil of ignorance. We (should) live in a world where morality, love, and a general respect for life should be widespread.

Condoms are birth control - they work to keep the semen out of the vagina to avoid pregnancy.

Abortion is not birth control - it is murder.

-Warik

For the LAST TIME WARIK.....

A Foetus ISN'T SELF-AWARE until the 4th month when
it has established a big enough neural-net from
his senses.

SO, the BABY ISN'T CONSIDERED alive. PERIOD.

Look up the definition of being alive. You'll see I'm right.

Also,(but not least), the baby is DEPENDENT upon the mother
until the 4th month also. Its autonomic functions DO NO
become independent until the 4th month.

So, until then its just an extension of the mother. PERIOD.
She wants to abort it? Fine, she can as long as she has the
consent of the father. NOBODY else matters.

Stop being so thick-headed Warik.

Fonz

 

[bigguns7]

For the LAST TIME WARIK.....

A Foetus ISN'T SELF-AWARE until the 4th month when
it has established a big enough neural-net from
his senses.

SO, the BABY ISN'T CONSIDERED alive. PERIOD.

Look up the definition of being alive. You'll see I'm right.

Also,(but not least), the baby is DEPENDENT upon the mother
until the 4th month also. Its autonomic functions DO NO
become independent until the 4th month.

So, until then its just an extension of the mother. PERIOD.
She wants to abort it? Fine, she can as long as she has the
consent of the father. NOBODY else matters.

Stop being so thick-headed Warik.

Fonz

So would you say that you only support first trimester abortions?

 

[CrimsonKing]

I don't think any of us are qualified to make a judgement of when life begins or not. You are trying to fit the waters of an ocean inside of bucket. It will never fit and we can never possibly understand.

I respect both sides of the debate and see that rational arguments to support the denifitions. BUT, in the end it comes down to faith in GOD.

 

[Fonz]

I don't think any of us are qualified to make a judgement of when life begins or not. You are trying to fit the waters of an ocean inside of bucket. It will never fit and we can never possibly understand.

I respect both sides of the debate and see that rational arguments to support the denifitions. BUT, in the end it comes down to faith in GOD.

That is why I think the whole abortion argument is BS.

RELIGION should NOT even be a consideration!!!

Religion is based on UNSUBSTANCIATED FACTS, while the lives
of the mother and father are based on FACTS.

You CANNOT let something that "might or might not" exist
sway your like in such a huge fashion.

It just simpy isn't logical.

Fonz

 

[Prometheus]

But consider this... You spend all your time with your grandmother because your ONE SINGLE parent is out working a nothing job or trying to go through college. You look at other kids in school and see how they have better homes, two parents, and a more pleasing environment at home.... is this what you would want?

maybe I misunderstand you - are you saying that the child would be better off dead than jealous of his friends? That a less-than-Brady Bunch manufactured reality would be sufficient justification for murder?

that's pro-abortion's most used argument - that preemptory murder is justified, because based on 20-year predictions it is possible the child would not be as happy as he/she could be in an ideal world... How is that argument any different than the argument favoring genocide? - just kill the poor, after all, they aren't as happy as the rich, right? murder the metally disabled and the paraplegics while you're at it? and the ugly don't have it so good, either...

don't misunderstand - I don't want to recind your 'right' to abortion - I only object to the cowardice in claiming "it's for the child" -- BULLSHIT -- it is convenience-based justifiable homocide - like in the case of self-defense where society allows for a homocide, here society has deemed it acceptable to murder a child within 6 months, if that child would be inconvenient and/or inhibit the ability of the mother to work in the corporate world.

Fine, just be honest about it.

 

[cockdezl]

For the LAST TIME WARIK.....

A Foetus ISN'T SELF-AWARE until the 4th month when
it has established a big enough neural-net from
his senses.

SO, the BABY ISN'T CONSIDERED alive. PERIOD.

Look up the definition of being alive. You'll see I'm right.

Also,(but not least), the baby is DEPENDENT upon the mother
until the 4th month also. Its autonomic functions DO NO
become independent until the 4th month.

FONZ, FONZ, FONZ. You are still trying to play scientist aren't you?

You might want to check out a basic high school biology book to look up the criteria for "life" or "living organism". There is no criteria for neural development or self-consciousness, since in many organisms these are never present.

Also, no scientist worth a shit, would state that animals are not living or "alive" simply because they are in a certain developmental stage. All higher life forms must progress through morphological stages to attain their final form. Is a caterpillar not a moth, simply because it is not morphologically a moth? Was it not genetically the same when it was a caterpillar as it is as a moth?

After 4 months, the child is NOT dependant on the mother?? What 4 month old fetus have you ever heard of survive? The youngest survival I have heard of was 26 weeks, around 6 months.

So, until then its just an extension of the mother. PERIOD.
She wants to abort it? Fine, she can as long as she has the
consent of the father. NOBODY else matters.

This is untrue. The embryo is never an extension of the mother, since that would imply that the embyro WAS the mother or genetically identical to the mother. A 1 year old infant is identical to the embryo in your scenario. A fetus/embryo is DEPENDANT on the mother, not an extension.

Stop being so thick-headed Warik.

Fonz

Stop being so mush headed

 

[bigguns7]

For the LAST TIME WARIK.....

A Foetus ISN'T SELF-AWARE until the 4th month when
it has established a big enough neural-net from
his senses.

SO, the BABY ISN'T CONSIDERED alive. PERIOD.

Look up the definition of being alive. You'll see I'm right.

Fonz

So, by your definition, all protozoans aren't alive.

Earthworms and all other insect larvae are not alive.

Starfish are not alive.

Fonz, you've made some amazing scientific breakthroughs. I'm nominating you for the Nobel Prize in Biology. You'll get your certificate in the mail.

 

[Star]

Good fuckin god men.....Listen to yourselves...........If you could atleast agree that Children deserve the best................If you can not give that to them then you should not have them and for the idiot I know is going to follow this comment up saying what does $$ have to do with it "you are a prime example of ignorance" It's not $$ I am speaking of..........They deserve the best in life including love, education, both parents (YES BOTH). I had my daughter and she had a father that was taken away at an early age by fate and now I am raising her alone but to imply she deserves less than everything the world has to give is ludicris. TO think different is selfish and to bring a child into the world before you are capable of providing those things is also selfish and WRONG. Adoption is an option, true but do you ever know they will give all that is needed for that child either? Sometimes yes and I believe whole heartedly in adoption but the damage it does to the mother losing the child and eventually the abandonment issues it gives the the adopted child are always a problem. Even though the love it takes to let yourself go through the pain of giving your child away is great it doesn't matter.......the baby always later in life wonders inside why you didn't love them enough to try. Stop being to onsided Men.....and I say men because everyone of you spouting that BS have been men, the ones that DO NOT take care of the kids, DO NOT end up being the single parents, and DO NOT give birth.


PS. Paradox, You really showed your immaturity by giving me bad karma for expressing my opinion but since I am a adult I won't retaliate. I think people are allowed to believe differently and hopefully when you grow up you will realize that also.