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GHB precursor 1,4-Butanediol
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there is a boatload of misinformation in these posts! And as usual, the truth(?) is somewhere inbetween. First, gbl/ghb/and 1,4-butanediol are all different drugs. Of the three, ghb and gbl are the most similar in chemical nature, effects, and metabolism. I have used all three extensively and find that gbl/ghb are quite similar, 1,4 by the nature of its metabolism is a little different. The drawback to 1,4- is that it is metabolized by the liver(read that stressfull to the liver) and when used with alcohol and other drugs metabolized by the liver the effects of the drugs are extended and magnified since they compete for the same metabolic pathway. The other big problem that I see here is the proliferation of blackmarket sources that do not let you know the purity of the drug, if the drug is only 99% pure(pretty good right?) what are the contaminants in that other 1%? Feeling a little funny after taking this stuff? Probably because you are slowly poisoning yourself with impurities. The sleep aid myth is another problem. I think it is a rare individual who takes any of the three and sleeps soundly thru the night. For me the effects usually last about 2-3hrs, after that if I took a small dose, 1-2ml) I am able to drop back to sleep. If I take larger doses, I find that I need to take another dose to fall asleep. I have been down that road before and if followed to its logical conclusion, you end up dosing every two hours in order to sleep, NOT A GOOD IDEA! So lets see, possibly contaminated, ultimately casues sleep disorders and dependancy, can lead to serious complication when taken with other competing drugs like alcohol and barbs, causes stress to the liver. All in all, I would have to say that it would be a good idea to stay away from these drugs. Oh, did I mention that some or all (depending on the state) are scheduled drugs that can lead to arrest, fines, and possible imprisonment?
Having said all that before the defensive flames begin, you are all big boys and entitled to make your own decisions, I have.
there is a boatload of misinformation in these posts! And as usual, the truth(?) is somewhere inbetween. First, gbl/ghb/and 1,4-butanediol are all different drugs. Of the three, ghb and gbl are the most similar in chemical nature, effects, and metabolism. I have used all three extensively and find that gbl/ghb are quite similar, 1,4 by the nature of its metabolism is a little different. The drawback to 1,4- is that it is metabolized by the liver(read that stressfull to the liver) and when used with alcohol and other drugs metabolized by the liver the effects of the drugs are extended and magnified since they compete for the same metabolic pathway. The other big problem that I see here is the proliferation of blackmarket sources that do not let you know the purity of the drug, if the drug is only 99% pure(pretty good right?) what are the contaminants in that other 1%? Feeling a little funny after taking this stuff? Probably because you are slowly poisoning yourself with impurities. The sleep aid myth is another problem. I think it is a rare individual who takes any of the three and sleeps soundly thru the night. For me the effects usually last about 2-3hrs, after that if I took a small dose, 1-2ml) I am able to drop back to sleep. If I take larger doses, I find that I need to take another dose to fall asleep. I have been down that road before and if followed to its logical conclusion, you end up dosing every two hours in order to sleep, NOT A GOOD IDEA! So lets see, possibly contaminated, ultimately casues sleep disorders and dependancy, can lead to serious complication when taken with other competing drugs like alcohol and barbs, causes stress to the liver. All in all, I would have to say that it would be a good idea to stay away from these drugs. Oh, did I mention that some or all (depending on the state) are scheduled drugs that can lead to arrest, fines, and possible imprisonment?
Having said all that before the defensive flames begin, you are all big boys and entitled to make your own decisions, I have.
Dooley
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I have to throw a little something into the mix here.. I've been using 1,4 for a little while now, and I agree that in moderation, it is harmless (assuming you don't have an addictive behavior pattern). Also.. people keep mentioning that it is HORRIBLE and DANGEROUS.. can I just add that almost every single drug we talk about on this board is now illegal because it was deemed dangerous to humans? How is 1,4 any different? Just as in steroids.. with precaution.. 1,4 is probably less dangerous to your liver than suckin down 7-8 beers in a night, or taking an oral such as d-bol. Just to cover my ass.. I obviously don't have any scientific backup for this.. it's just my opinion, thoughts, and views.
Be forwarned.. My friend developed CHRONIC PANCREATITIS from drinking GBL almost everyday for over 2 years.. he was not a drinker of alcohol (since he had his G) When he was taken to the hospital they asked him if he drank alcohol, he said no, told them that he drank GBL reguarly.. His doc concluded that his pancreatits was caused by the GBL - the body uses the same enzyme to break down GBL as it does alcohol.. as a matter a fact they claim that it took 100x more of the enzyme to break it down causing excessive stress on the pancreas, which caused a pancreatitis.. and that my friends if NOT something you want to live with.
Everyone thinks out kidneys and liver, but don't forget there are lots of other organs in your body..
Gman
Everyone thinks out kidneys and liver, but don't forget there are lots of other organs in your body..
Gman
Daeo,
I respect your opinion bro. You're one of the luck ones.....BTW, it took 2.5 years before I started to use it every day....before that I only used it once in awhile.....so you're not off the hook yet
ahhaha Just let me know if you ever have a problem with it....I would be glad to help you out. Trust me....people are not crying wolf here. When they say that the shit is bad and is a painful expereince, they are just not being a bunch of pussies! It really sucks!!!!!!
I get a kick out of everyone saying, be smart about using and don't use too much. hahaha.....do you think people ever set out to become dependant on drugs? Hell no!....they just think that they can control their drug use. (Some can....some can't) point is, you don't know if you're one of those that can't until it is too late! You trick yourself into thinking "I don't need to use it, I just want to use it"
Just warning people the way that I wish that I was warned. I think that you get my point....
Take care Daeo......and good luck to you.
I respect your opinion bro. You're one of the luck ones.....BTW, it took 2.5 years before I started to use it every day....before that I only used it once in awhile.....so you're not off the hook yet
ahhaha Just let me know if you ever have a problem with it....I would be glad to help you out. Trust me....people are not crying wolf here. When they say that the shit is bad and is a painful expereince, they are just not being a bunch of pussies! It really sucks!!!!!!I get a kick out of everyone saying, be smart about using and don't use too much. hahaha.....do you think people ever set out to become dependant on drugs? Hell no!....they just think that they can control their drug use. (Some can....some can't) point is, you don't know if you're one of those that can't until it is too late! You trick yourself into thinking "I don't need to use it, I just want to use it"
Just warning people the way that I wish that I was warned. I think that you get my point....
Take care Daeo......and good luck to you.
