GH users !!!!

[M.O.D]

i've been thinking about the way we shoot our growth....i also spoke to a couple pro's regarding this as well....i think i'm going to start going IM vs. SQ...i plan on going into the shoulders and bi's and my reason is i think injecting SQ some if not a lot of the drug may go to waste...even thou you are using a slin pin and going under the skin it seems to me at least i'm shooting this shit into a layer of fat....and the pro guys i talked to have been going the IM route for years now


there really is no data that i found regarding this but logic tells me shooting into the muscle you know you will get full use of the drug....any comments are welcomed

 

[Maxx Out]

Sounds good to me. Let me know how it goes.
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Maxx>>>>>

 

[Big Moose]

Hey bud, How did the surgery go?

About the GH, Would this mean one daily injection or would we still be shooting 2-3 times a day. Is it somehow released slower in the muscle?

 

[nautica]

I went IM when I first started Gh. But was told by a pro that gh is released to quickly when shot IM and would be wasted whereas SubQ releases slowly over several hours.

I would like some evidence either way.

Nautica

 

[Zyglamail]

Fat cells have GH receptors so shooting in fat I would think would have a direct effect on getting rid of stubborn fat. Not saying IM wont work, but for those of use with a little extra baggage I think IM would be better for losing fat. IM I would think would be better for localized muscle growth.

 

[M.O.D]

Hey bud, How did the surgery go?

About the GH, Would this mean one daily injection or would we still be shooting 2-3 times a day. Is it somehow released slower in the muscle?

hey moose.

well i'm sore as shit and still too early to tell...fingers crossed

 

[lawnsaver]

I have done GH twice. I got better results going IM. I tool Ironmasters advice and did 2 SC shots ED and results werent as good as expected.

I read an article about Jay Cutlers GH cycles. He did higher doses in 1 months spurts with 30-45 days off. He said this matches our natural grow spurts better and gives a more anabolic response and true muscle growth. He used this method in preparation for Mr. O...I think it worked...LOL!!!

 

[M.O.D]

Fat cells have GH receptors so shooting in fat I would think would have a direct effect on getting rid of stubborn fat. Not saying IM wont work, but for those of use with a little extra baggage I think IM would be better for losing fat. IM I would think would be better for localized muscle growth.

zyg,

i did a little test regarding the localized fat lose...i targeted right above my hip or should i say the love handles..so i hit this site for a month straight and i lost a little from that area but not as much as i thought i would....so i'm going to try the IM route for a while and see what happens

 

[M.O.D]

Hey bud, How did the surgery go?

About the GH, Would this mean one daily injection or would we still be shooting 2-3 times a day. Is it somehow released slower in the muscle?

i would still be doing two shots a day... i would do my shoulders one day and the bi's the next day and just keep rotating.

 

[zap]

How good is it?

M.O.D., first of all, I hope you're doing well after your surgery. It's funny how we learn to be concerned about people we've never really met. I think this is like my fifth post, but I read the board everyday, and just try to "soak it all in". I think I'm going to take your route and see an M.D. about a prescription. But on to my question.... My father had a parachute accident about twenty years ago and crushed three vertebrae, split his pevlis, damaged his knees and ankles, etc. etc. Now he has developed degenerative disk disease. He has lived in pain every day since his accident and leaving the military. V.A. is not alot of help, as you can imagine. Do you think GH would be beneficial to him? I would have P.M.'d the question, but I suspect the answer may be of some benefit to alot of readers, considering everybody knows somebody living in pain.

Thanks in advance for your help,

zap

 

[M.O.D]

hi zap.

i think gh would be a big advantage to him. i fought with knee and shoulder joint pain for years which i think had a lot to to with my use of roids at an early age and growing too fast...but since i started using gh i dont feel very little to sometimes no pain at all in my joints...prior to this i had hard time doing shoulder presses.

 

[heavy only]

i would still be doing two shots a day... i would do my shoulders one day and the bi's the next day and just keep rotating.

Man, if you really want to know if it helps localized growth here's your chance. Just shoot your left bi and shoulder continuosly

 

[M.O.D]

well did my first shot of the day in my bi which was smooth as silk...

now if i were a drug co. like serono and of course sales means everything how would i want the user to admin this drug..

SQ= easy for the patient to do everyday with a slin pin.
IM= patients most likely would be advised to go into the glute using a much large pin which would make for many people not wanting to use this drug on a regular basis...

not saying the above is the reason why they suggest SQ but it sure would make sense on sales of the drug

 

[bbkingpin]

TO M.O.D.

I saw on one of the GH manufacturer's websites (on a bar graph) that SQ results in a moderately higher blood level of GH than IM. The length of elevation was the same but the amount was greater for SQ. This seems to imply greater absorption for SQ. Is it possible you are administering in a bad location? One GH manuf site showed the model pinch the skin and pull from the thigh and then inject underneath the skin. Where do you have low body fat? This way you could get UNDER the skin and avoid the areas of your body with thinker skin because of body fat. But IM is still supposed to be effective. Just SQ is preferred (I would assume based on tests as represented on the website I just spoke of.)

 

[bbkingpin]

To M.O.D.

SPELL CHECK: thinker skin=thicker skin

 

[bigal]

MOD,let us know your results, I always like to hear the real world experience. If you like IM, I might try it that way and couldn't you do IM with a slin pin. I'm fairly thin-skinned anyway

 

[XXXL]

hey MOD, this is a little off topic. . but. . . what does your injection schedule look like as far as your gh injections go? do you do them every 12 hours (one post workout and one before bed) or do you inject on a different schedule?

and will you keep up with the same schedule as SQ injections as with IM?

 

[M.O.D]

hey MOD, this is a little off topic. . but. . . what does your injection schedule look like as far as your gh injections go? do you do them every 12 hours (one post workout and one before bed) or do you inject on a different schedule?

and will you keep up with the same schedule as SQ injections as with IM?

i take my first 2iu's around 8am and another 2iu's around 4pm post workout

 

[M.O.D]

Re: TO M.O.D.

I saw on one of the GH manufacturer's websites (on a bar graph) that SQ results in a moderately higher blood level of GH than IM. The length of elevation was the same but the amount was greater for SQ. This seems to imply greater absorption for SQ. Is it possible you are administering in a bad location? One GH manuf site showed the model pinch the skin and pull from the thigh and then inject underneath the skin. Where do you have low body fat? This way you could get UNDER the skin and avoid the areas of your body with thinker skin because of body fat. But IM is still supposed to be effective. Just SQ is preferred (I would assume based on tests as represented on the website I just spoke of.)

dont get me wrong i great results from my use of GH...maybe the IM is a bad idea...like the saying goes "if it aint broke dont fix it"

 

[ironmaster]

Hey, MOD, glad to see you survived. Two reasons why SQ is the preferred method for most. As BBK pointed out, studies show better absorption and longer activity for SQ over IM, and perhaps more importantly, the studies show tissue atrophy at the injection site when using IM. Muscle tissue ATROPHY!!! Not what I want in my bi's or delts, thats for sure. So pick your spots carefully, and rotate like crazy. The atrophy part is why localized fat reduction is noticed with SQ in trouble areas.
But as you know, GH works quite differently from one individual to another. It's results are awesome for senior citizens like me, any way I inject it. I'm aware of the variant theories of injection times and quantities, ala Cutler......I only report what works for me. My waist line is much tighter from localized SQ injections. Same thing, lawn, that's what works for me.....you may be different. And I don't think you are using enough, anyway, but I know money don't grow on trees either.
The benefits to the joints, the state of mind, the ability to stay lean while eating big........it's the shit, esp. if you are over 40. Healing time is quicker, also, MOD, so see you in the gym before too long, bro.

 

[M.O.D]

Hey, MOD, glad to see you survived. Two reasons why SQ is the preferred method for most. As BBK pointed out, studies show better absorption and longer activity for SQ over IM, and perhaps more importantly, the studies show tissue atrophy at the injection site when using IM. Muscle tissue ATROPHY!!! Not what I want in my bi's or delts, thats for sure. So pick your spots carefully, and rotate like crazy. The atrophy part is why localized fat reduction is noticed with SQ in trouble areas.
But as you know, GH works quite differently from one individual to another. It's results are awesome for senior citizens like me, any way I inject it. I'm aware of the variant theories of injection times and quantities, ala Cutler......I only report what works for me. My waist line is much tighter from localized SQ injections. Same thing, lawn, that's what works for me.....you may be different. And I don't think you are using enough, anyway, but I know money don't grow on trees either.
The benefits to the joints, the state of mind, the ability to stay lean while eating big........it's the shit, esp. if you are over 40. Healing time is quicker, also, MOD, so see you in the gym before too long, bro.

hey buddy,

nice to hear from you and i decided against the IM shots...and i also decided to keep a flow of test added in with my gh, i figure at 40 and with years of aas use my own test levels have to be shot.....stay in touch my friend and let me know if you need anything

 

[bbkingpin]

How do you guys include a thread reply quote so as to respond to a particuler reply within a thread, so people know what repl you are addressing? I cannot figure it out. Thanks, guys.

Like where it says originally posted by xxxxx .....
" ... ... "

 

[nautica]

How do you guys include a thread reply quote so as to respond to a particuler reply within a thread, so people know what repl you are addressing? I cannot figure it out. Thanks, guys.

Like where it says originally posted by xxxxx .....
" ... ... "

Hit the quote button just below the post on the right.

nautica

 

[bbkingpin]

Hit the quote button just below the post on the right.

nautica

 

[bbkingpin]

Thanks Nautica

I think I got it now. Thanks for that info, buddy.

 

[bbkingpin]

ONE MORE TRY

I still haven't got it right. Here goes.

 

[bbkingpin]

Hit the quote button just below the post on the right.

nautica

Thanks Nautica. I might have it down this time.