GH and glucophage question

[Zyglamail]

This one goes out to our knowldegable GH guru's, havent seen a whole lot on the topic.

Im currently running 6IU GH dialy for the month of april, going on vacation early may and will come back and start a cycle while continuing to run GH during and for a couple months post cycle. One thing I have noticed is sometimes get serioud headaches, which I assume are low blood sugar or insuline insensitivity due to the GH. Im looking for feedback from anyone who has used GH with glucophage (instead of slin). What was your doing like and thoughts on it etc.

 

[Dr.Evil]

insulin resistance from gh will cause high blood sugar, not low, so that's probably not the cause of your headaches.

i've never tried hgh with metformin, but it sounds great in principle. i've used metformin with other things and i'd have to say it would be one of my favorites if it didn't cause me to crap my brains out so much. i had to stop when i started shitting blood.

 

[Zyglamail]

insulin resistance from gh will cause high blood sugar, not low, so that's probably not the cause of your headaches

DOAH! See thats what happens when I have someone talking in one ear while im typing a post .

i've used metformin with other things and i'd have to say it would be one of my favorites if it didn't cause me to crap my brains out so much. i had to stop when i started shitting blood.

What were your intentions when you started using it and how much were you using?

 

[Dr.Evil]

it has been a while, but i think the doses were 850mg per tab. i took 2 tabs/day, one in the morning and one at night. my goals were to increase the rate of glucose and amino acid uptake into the cells to build more mass. i got some amazing pumps from this and it actually made me lose some fat. i don't know if the fat loss came from increased insulin sensitivity or because the metformin just made me lose all my appetite.

after about 2 weeks i started having some bowel problems. another week goes by and i can't stop farting, so i decrease the dose to 1 tab/day. after the 4th week i started having bloody diarrhea and i stopped. i have used metformin on 2 separate occassions and both times the cycles lasted about 4 weeks.

 

[Zyglamail]

after about 2 weeks i started having some bowel problems. another week goes by and i can't stop farting, so i decrease the dose to 1 tab/day. after the 4th week i started having bloody diarrhea and i stopped. i have used metformin on 2 separate occassions and both times the cycles lasted about 4 weeks.

Thanks for the info. It usually comes in 850 and 500mg tabs.

Did you jump right into 850x2 per day? Here is a tidbit on dosing it...

There is no fixed dosage regimen for the management of hyperglycemia in diabetes mellitus with metformin HCl or any other pharmacologic agent. Dosage of metformin HCl must be individualized on the basis of both effectiveness and tolerance, while not exceeding the maximum recommended daily dose of 2550 mg. Metformin HCl should be given in divided doses with meals and should be started at a low dose, with gradual dose escalation, as described below, both to reduce gastrointestinal side effects and to permit identification of the minimum dose required for adequate glycemic control of the patient.

Im getting 250mg caps from a well known guy to try which should help me better adjust dose.

 

[Big Moose]

I have been asking this question for about three months now. It doesn't seem that many people have used these two together. I have read that ALA will give similiar results.

 

[Dr.Evil]

yep, i jumped right to 1700mg/day. actually, the first time i used it i started with 850mg/day for the first 2 days to make sure i didn't get lactic acidosis from it. after that it was 1700mg/day the whole way. i guess i should have worked my way up, or do a little research lol. it reminds me of the first time i tried pgf2a without knowing the proper dose. popped 1cc into each delt and almost passed out from the pain while exploding into the toilet...

 

[Dr.Evil]

btw, i'm not as stupid as it sounds lol. when i tried metformin in 1996 there wasn't much info on dosing for bbers. same with pgf2a...

 

[Zyglamail]

it reminds me of the first time i tried pgf2a without knowing the proper dose. popped 1cc into each delt and almost passed out from the pain while exploding into the toilet...

LOL, thats one of the funniest things ive read in a long time . Well I think I will give it a whirl. Did you monitor blood sugar levels while using it at all?

 

[kbrkbr]

Zyg, I've been planning to try gh and am afraid of slin, so I posted a question about two months ago asking if metformin could be substituted. DrJMW graciously posted several studies showing how metformin increases insulin sensitivity and from there he extrapolated an opinion that 1500 mg Ed would be more that sufficient form my purposes. While I have yet to start gh (ordering some from ** this week) I got my metformin from an overseas pharmacy (it's super cheap) and have been on it for two months. Started a super low doses and built up gradually. Had the shits for the first week, but none after that. It killed my carb craving and has helped me drop some weight. My only problem is that when I was doing a sus/laurabolin cycle in Feb, the metformin caused me to go hypoglycemic and made me feel extremely addled/depressed. Hope this helps.