gear usage needed to turn pro

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

is it possible anyone could turn pro say just doing the occasional cycle say twice a year running say 500mg test and 300mg deca or is big, big amounts needed along with hgh, igf and slin??
wierd question i know but just wondering about what extremes are needed to get a pro card and look like a solid pro...

 

[swordfish151]

is it possible anyone could turn pro say just doing the occasional cycle say twice a year running say 500mg test and 300mg deca or is big, big amounts needed along with hgh, igf and slin??
wierd question i know but just wondering about what extremes are needed to get a pro card and look like a solid pro...

Depends....alot will say genetics plays a big part in this...but it really depends on the individual...I will say this though..alot of pros take in BIG cycles...

 

[boops]

Depends....alot will say genetics plays a big part in this...but it really depends on the individual...I will say this though..alot of pros take in BIG cycles...

genetics would be HUGE here like the bro above said, without them forget it entirely...

 

[LVTitan]

i have a buddy who is DOES NOT USE GEAR. he used protein/creatine and has an IFBB pro card. is he big enough to be competetive ? he's won and placed in several ifbb shows, but NO WAY will he ever be on the same level as coleman,cutler, or the othere TOP pros..
to be a pro, you dont need much gear, if any,
to be a TOP pro, you need shitloads of gear.

 

[Tux]

You could do it in one or two small cycles a year. Don't forget that one contest, maybe the NPC nationals(?), the winner of EVERY weight-class gets a pro-card, even bantamweight. So you could have a guy who weighed 170 off-season become a pro. Of course he'd need to gain about 50 more lbs to be able to COMPETE as a pro, but simply to turn pro? However, I gather that's not what you're asking To BE a competitive pro, i'd say it takes both insane genetics and more than your average amount of juice/GH/slin/IGF, etc. To become the best, you have to have the best( genetics), and use alot of the best(drugs).

 

[massatronic]

I've heard that lots off steroids if at all fro only a couple of weeks a year. They take a base amount that most of us would consider a cycle, and when really 'on cycle' are human pincushions.

Most people are gonna play down what they do so its hard to tell. But look how the weight fell off Levrone when he stepped back from competition. I found the IFBB Pro Undercover articles on google quite interesting.

Training, nutrition, genetics and drugs are the four factors, the better you are in each category the better you'll be.

I guess if you want to be pro, you have to take as much as YOU need to look like a pro. Some guys could take it by the kilo and fail the grade, maybe others competitors are nearly natural. Maybe.

 

[slat1]

I know of a couple of top pro's who have never done over 750mgs of test.
Lee Priest finished top 3 at the Iron Man a few years ago completely clean too.
Just like the rest of society though. Some use small amounts and others use a ton!

 

[Tweakle]

'could anyone' , yeah of course they could

I've only talked about this in person with one pro and he's tiny compared to the big boys.. his 'grocery bill' is in excess of 5k a month. I'm sure ronnie and co are running much less..

look at ret's cycles as a starting point... then add more more more

 

[big_boy_1]

is it possible anyone could turn pro say just doing the occasional cycle say twice a year running say 500mg test and 300mg deca or is big, big amounts needed along with hgh, igf and slin??
wierd question i know but just wondering about what extremes are needed to get a pro card and look like a solid pro...

Unlikely given today standards, not even with arnold genetics.

Well, perhaps with the genetics of the german boy without myostatin, but remains to be seen.

Virtually all pros use over 5 g per week, some close to 10 g that roids alone,
add clen, t3, GH, IGF1, insulin, etc.

 

[BLACKDOOG]

what kind of groceries is he buying to cost $5,000 amonth. That is a bunch of bullshit. $5,000 worth of groceries is a lot of shit. Do you mena he spends $5,000 on groceries Growth Hormone and Steroids? That sounds more like it.

'could anyone' , yeah of course they could

I've only talked about this in person with one pro and he's tiny compared to the big boys.. his 'grocery bill' is in excess of 5k a month. I'm sure ronnie and co are running much less..

look at ret's cycles as a starting point... then add more more more

 

[guest storm]

Hi,

I read that Flex Wheeler had a muscle biopsy done and he had a mutation do do with myostatin so it was easier for him to put muscle on than normal people.

"Flex was a participant in a study we recently conducted in collaboration with the Department of Human Genetics at the University of Pittsburgh involving 62 men who made unusually large gains in muscle mass in response to strength training (extreme responders). Flex was one of only nine extreme responders that had the very rare "myostatin mutation." Myostatin is the gene that "limits muscle growth." Specifically, Flex had the rarest form of myostatin mutation at the "exon 2" position on the gene. This simply means Flex has a much larger number of muscle fibers compared to the other subjects or the normal population. We believe that these are the very first myostatin mutation findings in humans and the results of this landmark study have already been submitted for publication."

I guess that is genetics then so he obviously didn't need to take as much as somebody like Tom Platz. Did you guys notice how the weight just dropped off Platz when he came off gear.

 

[ALIN]

Depends....alot will say genetics plays a big part in this...but it really depends on the individual...I will say this though..alot of pros take in BIG cycles...

depends on MANY things. genetics, nutrition, training.

 

[itlnstln]

Hi,

I read that Flex Wheeler had a muscle biopsy done and he had a mutation do do with myostatin so it was easier for him to put muscle on than normal people.

"Flex was a participant in a study we recently conducted in collaboration with the Department of Human Genetics at the University of Pittsburgh involving 62 men who made unusually large gains in muscle mass in response to strength training (extreme responders). Flex was one of only nine extreme responders that had the very rare "myostatin mutation." Myostatin is the gene that "limits muscle growth." Specifically, Flex had the rarest form of myostatin mutation at the "exon 2" position on the gene. This simply means Flex has a much larger number of muscle fibers compared to the other subjects or the normal population. We believe that these are the very first myostatin mutation findings in humans and the results of this landmark study have already been submitted for publication."

I guess that is genetics then so he obviously didn't need to take as much as somebody like Tom Platz. Did you guys notice how the weight just dropped off Platz when he came off gear.

http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/volk/myostatin.htm

 

[02gixxersix2]

I think anyone who thinks anyone on the pro level is not using boatloads of gear is very naive. Just my opinion. And I really doubt Lee Preiest was even close to clean bro.

 

[itlnstln]

I think anyone who thinks anyone on the pro level is not using boatloads of gear is very naive. Just my opinion. And I really doubt Lee Preiest was even close to clean bro.

Fact - Without great genetics you'll never be a Flex Wheeler
Fact - Even with great genetics, without a bunch of gear, you'll never be Flex Wheeler

 

[02gixxersix2]

Fact - Without great genetics you'll never be a Flex Wheeler
Fact - Even with great genetics, without a bunch of gear, you'll never be Flex Wheeler

Agree 110% but I also really believe that without great genetics AND lots of gear you will never be Flex Wheeler. And also a lot of people say they "know" someone is natural. The truth is no one knows whether or not they are truly natural but themselves.

 

[Makavelli]

Lots of great points here. Bottom line genetics are the #1 determining factor of how far one will go in bodybuilding. Some people say that I have great genetics, but I'm nothing compared to Ronnie's or Flex's genetics. I could do their cycles and never look like them. Yes, they use a lot of AAS. More than most on here will use years together.

 

[02gixxersix2]

Makavelli you're being far too humble. Genetics or not your physique just screams of hard work and dedication. BTW I'm gonna start up a little cutting diet here soon mind if I run it your way when I get it mapped out???

 

[flex2win]

i have a buddy who is DOES NOT USE GEAR. he used protein/creatine and has an IFBB pro card. is he big enough to be competetive ? he's won and placed in several ifbb shows, but NO WAY will he ever be on the same level as coleman,cutler, or the othere TOP pros..
to be a pro, you dont need much gear, if any,
to be a TOP pro, you need shitloads of gear.

Great point, the IFBB needs some "smaller fish" in the pond as well...no offense because I guarantee your friend looks way better than me w/out seeing him...but not every guy needs to be 300lbs ripped!!

 

[guest storm]

If we really sit and think about it nobody really knows what their genetic potential is and training really hard and aiming high is something we can all do.

Bottom line, non of us are going to look better sitting here praying for great genetics and the ability to take boat loads of gear.

I am very happy with the gains I am making and looking at some of you guys, you can see you have worked really hard.

Being a Pro - that is different and I wish you luck with that - I just wouldn't take the amount of gear somebody like Munzer was on no-way - that's asking the grim reaper to come and visit. Some people can probaly stand it, but most probaly can't

 

[Mr.X]

is it possible anyone could turn pro say just doing the occasional cycle say twice a year running say 500mg test and 300mg deca or is big, big amounts needed along with hgh, igf and slin??
wierd question i know but just wondering about what extremes are needed to get a pro card and look like a solid pro...

no it's not possible....even if you have Flex Wheeler genetics.

 

[Makavelli]

Makavelli you're being far too humble. Genetics or not your physique just screams of hard work and dedication. BTW I'm gonna start up a little cutting diet here soon mind if I run it your way when I get it mapped out???

Sure bro.

 

[big_boy_1]

Hi,

I read that Flex Wheeler had a muscle biopsy done and he had a mutation do do with myostatin so it was easier for him to put muscle on than normal people.

"Flex was a participant in a study we recently conducted in collaboration with the Department of Human Genetics at the University of Pittsburgh involving 62 men who made unusually large gains in muscle mass in response to strength training (extreme responders). Flex was one of only nine extreme responders that had the very rare "myostatin mutation." Myostatin is the gene that "limits muscle growth." Specifically, Flex had the rarest form of myostatin mutation at the "exon 2" position on the gene. This simply means Flex has a much larger number of muscle fibers compared to the other subjects or the normal population. We believe that these are the very first myostatin mutation findings in humans and the results of this landmark study have already been submitted for publication."

I guess that is genetics then so he obviously didn't need to take as much as somebody like Tom Platz. Did you guys notice how the weight just dropped off Platz when he came off gear.

I doubt, for several reasons:

To start roids, insulin and GH/IGF1 reduce myostatin levels, and with all the massive drug dosages pros use, youll find little myostatin in their bodies, not from genetics, but from drug use.

Second, when Flex was a kid he didnt look like the german boy with the myostatin mutation.
You either have the mutation from birth or you dont, you cant develop it over the years.

Third, a myostatin test in pros will never be real since they never come off drugs, even if they decided, they just cant, they dont produce natural test anymore.

Fourth, looks like an advertising campaign to me, soon well have other "myostatin blocking supplements" -no, not the real Wyeth antibodies- hitting the supplement market.

 

[needsize]

its definitely about genetics, I have some guys build massive physiques on tiny amounts of gear, but others like myself, have trouble growing off of huge amounts, and that includes brutally intense training and never less than 7 meals a day for me

 

[guest storm]

I doubt, for several reasons:

To start roids, insulin and GH/IGF1 reduce myostatin levels, and with all the massive drug dosages pros use, youll find little myostatin in their bodies, not from genetics, but from drug use.

Second, when Flex was a kid he didnt look like the german boy with the myostatin mutation.
You either have the mutation from birth or you dont, you cant develop it over the years.

Third, a myostatin test in pros will never be real since they never come off drugs, even if they decided, they just cant, they dont produce natural test anymore.

Fourth, looks like an advertising campaign to me, soon well have other "myostatin blocking supplements" -no, not the real Wyeth antibodies- hitting the supplement market.

Wow! I didn't know that - thanks for that information.

 

[scout69]

genetics-alot of money and alot of fucking gear these guys take what most of us take in a month in a week

 

[Destroyer1986*]

Hahah lee priest has been juicing since he was 15.

I've never been over 750mg per week of Test. Im on my biggest cycle thus far which is.

Test e Wks 1-14 600mg
Eq Wks 1-12 600mg EQ
Tren Wks 1-8 100mg EOD