Gear for cutting and gaining simultaneously

[diablo570]

My vote would be for:

EQ 400mg/week - for some solid gains minus the bloat.

Primobolan Depot 400mg/week - solid gains, no bloat.

Stay away from dbol if bloat is a problem.

Oral winny to about 50mg/day (however you like it); I'd say shoot it, but you said you want to minimize pins... You can shoot 400mg EQ on Tuesday, 400 primo on Friday, and that's only 2 injection times (instead of winny which is ED/EOD... might as well just eat it, right?)

Just my 2cc.

-M

Dr. M, thanks for the info. The only reason I did not choose Primobolan was due to the fact that it costs so much.
The equipoise and winni are really good and affordable. I will not use D-bol since I have gotten negative feedback on that for cutting and liver probs (if taking other orals).
Do you agree with taking a Testosteron along with this cycle?
Please advise the BEST testosterone (full name) <with minimal bloat, but I will be taking anti-E's and Arimidex so mabye bloat wont be a prob.> and @ what concentration.

 

[magman1]

def. forget the dbol! no good for you! and winny for 12 weeks is a little much especially for a first cycle...tren/test prop would be great IMO...nasty gains with minimal bloat!

 

[High-Jacked]

Diablo: You have a similar build to me, but you have a little more definition going on. I am 5'8" 185, I have done and would suggest running this cycle for a good muscle/vascualrity increase along with some good striation, I used enanthate but Propianate would be much better for staying lean:

Weeks 1- 12
Testosterone Propianate 130mg EOD (425 mg per week or so)
Equipoise at 400mg per week split in two shots, mon/thurs
NOlva 10mg ed to prevent any gyno issues
Arimidex at .5mg if you want to minimize bloat


I did notice that Nolva effected my gains if I went over 10mg per day, however 10mg didn't really seem to have a negatvie effect.

This is a fairly simple cycle but simple is better, don't rely on the gear, bust ass and keep your diet right on and you'll notice a nice aesthetical (sp?) change.

 

[Dr. M]

Dr. M, thanks for the info. The only reason I did not choose Primobolan was due to the fact that it costs so much.
The equipoise and winni are really good and affordable. I will not use D-bol since I have gotten negative feedback on that for cutting and liver probs (if taking other orals).
Do you agree with taking a Testosteron along with this cycle?
Please advise the BEST testosterone (full name) <with minimal bloat, but I will be taking anti-E's and Arimidex so mabye bloat wont be a prob.> and @ what concentration.

Hey man, that's what I'm here for.

I would personally throw in some test, as I feel that test is a proper base for any sort of mass cycle as long as it is managed properly.

To avoid bloat, I would shoot 50mgED of testosterone propionate. The injection site will probably hurt like a motha, but it's alright if you manage it properly. For example, you just trained legs and won't be training legs for a while - do a quad shot next time you shoot. Hitting your delts just before you do an arm workout is a bad idea with prop.

Another option is suspension (testosterone, no ester). This you may have to shoot once or twice a day at a 50mg dose; if you want to avoid ANY bloat at all, then susp is definitely for you. However, mentioning your complications regarding pins etc., susp may cause you more grief than it's worth.

Knowing a bit about your situation, I would say test propionate at 50mg ED is your best bet.

-M