Gay, religious people... a ? for you please.

[Crazier]

Taken from Romans:

'That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. Anbd the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.

When they refused to acknoweldge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do thse things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse, yet they encourse others to do them, too.'

How do you justify your actions. The bible clearly states the magnitude of homosexual sin. Also, does that scare you a bit?

Please realize that I am not judging, and note that Paul wrote this.
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[HumorMe]

Crazier

I think you know where I stand on subjects about God and the Bible. For others out there, my faith in God and the Bible are very solid in my life and my family's life. To answer your question about this passage, I feel very strong about homosexual acts and find them repulsive to say the least. If someone is a homosexual then that's fine just don't start waving it in my face. I can tolerate them and even live beside them but I still feel very strong about what is said in the Bible about them.

I find it odd when I read in the paper about some "Men of the Cloth" having sexual relations with young boys. That's troubling to me!

I once watched one of those afternoon talk shows, I can't remember which one, but it was a group of heterosexual people and a group of homosexual people arguing about their sexual views. The one comment that sort of stuck out and kind of made me really want to throw up was this gay guy stood up and said, "What makes you think that you people are normal?" "Whose to say that we are the normal people here and you all are the ones that are abnormal!" I don't think God had intended for men to like men and girls to like girls. God said, "Go out into the world and multiply." I don't think He was talking about going forth into the world and doing your math multiplication tables when He said that. If He meant for all of this to happen, we would all have the ability to reproduce whether we were female or male.

Homosexuality is wrong. Those are my views. Nobody can convince me otherwise. I must be a close-minded individual to say that but so be it. At least everyone will know where I stand on the subject.

 

[Crazier]

At least everyone will know where I stand on the subject.

We do... and I agree.

I don't see how a religious person could refute what is said in the bible. I'd like to hear how they do, when it is VERY clearly stated that is a sin... and a might hefty one at that.
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[starfish]

Can I ask why you guys care??? I mean why do people get so worked up over homosexuals... Get worked up over starving children or child molesting...

I personally don't think my God would judge anyone for caring for someone else. Same sex or not.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Personally, I am an atheist, and I would seriously question the validity of any religion whose teachings suggested that someone who loves someone else is "sinning" as long as that love is mutual, there is no coercion involved, and both parties are mature enough to give consent.

 

[buddy28]

crazier,

keep in mind GOd doesnt find homosexuality anymore appualing then other sexual sins. or most sins for that matter.

homosexuality gets more attention then other sins because its practised by a small percentage of the general population.

If we were all homos and only some of us lied, we'd be talking about how bad lying is. Its human nature to segregate people who deviate from the social "norm", whatever the norm may be.

To squeeze one more point in. Some people are going to point to the soddom and gomorha example and claim god really hates homosexuality. The people of Soddom and Gomorha were apparently renouned for their participation in numerous evil acts, in addition to homosexuality. Homosexuality just seems to stick in peoples minds because its something most of us dont practise.

 

[gymtime]

crazier,

keep in mind GOd doesnt find homosexuality anymore appualing then other sexual sins. or most sins for that matter.

homosexuality gets more attention then other sins because its practised by a small percentage of the general population.

If we were all homos and only some of us lied, we'd be talking about how bad lying is. Its human nature to segregate people who deviate from the social "norm", whatever the norm may be.

To squeeze one more point in. Some people are going to point to the soddom and gomorha example and claim god really hates homosexuality. The people of Soddom and Gomorha were apparently renouned for their participation in numerous evil acts, in addition to homosexuality. Homosexuality just seems to stick in peoples minds because its something most of us dont practise.

Well said.

Crazier, how can you post a verse like that, question how homosexuals can justify their actions, then turn around and say you're not judging? If this isn't judgement, I don't know what is. And it's the worst form of judgment because it comes rather thinly veiled in the old,"I didn't make the rules, God does" escape clause. If you think homosexuality is evil, say so and be done with it.

HumorMe - what exactly troubles you more, the fact that a child was molested? Or that it was by an adult of the same sex? Would you be less "troubled" if the molestee was a young girl?

 

[OMEGA]

Personally, I am an atheist, and I would seriously question the validity of any religion whose teachings suggested that someone who loves someone else is "sinning" as long as that love is mutual, there is no coercion involved, and both parties are mature enough to give consent.

thankyou MUSCLEBRAINS for your contribution

 

[gymtime]

We do... and I agree.

I don't see how a religious person could refute what is said in the bible. I'd like to hear how they do, when it is VERY clearly stated that is a sin... and a might hefty one at that.
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A mighty hefty one huh....God clearly states a lot of things my friend. I wonder how your behavior over the weekend would stand up on the Lord's "top ten sins" list.

 

[HumorMe]

Can I ask why you guys care??? I mean why do people get so worked up over homosexuals... Get worked up over starving children or child molesting...

I personally don't think my God would judge anyone for caring for someone else. Same sex or not.

Starfish

I'm not getting worked up over this. I was simply answering the question that was posed. Starving children and child molesting is something that is heartbreaking to me and I do make charitable contributions after making certain the organization is what it is said to be.

The second part of your statement, I respond that we obviously don't worship the same God. I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest here but what is written in the Bible clearly states God's views as well as mine. If you believe your statement is true then so be it. I can respect your views. I believe mine to be true then so be it.

I'm 40 years old and the one thing that sticks out in my mind is how this ever changing world and ever changing views that others have, we are being conditioned, at slow pace mind you, to believe that everything, regarless of what it is, is OK.

They make up words and phrases to describe things and people believe them and those words are adopted as rule. Let me pick an example and see where it leads. Attention Deficit Disorder(ADD).....Somebody who can't stay focused on what is at hand. When I was growing up I think it was called "stupid or dumb". Those words are too awful nowadays to say because they are demeaning and rude. So we pick another word or phrase to describe them. ADD. Now that group of words sound nicer and softer and more PC and to most older people they have no idea what the hell it is because they have always thought the person was dumb or stupid. I'm not trying to be funny but it is the truth. The list is endless as to what is acceptable these days. I just picked these words because that is what came to my mind.

I'm from old school where you learned to win and you learned to lose gracefully. You always shook hands regardless if you won or lost. Do you ever attend little league games where you see the teams line up on the field after a game and each team gives the others the courteousy of high five or handshake. You don't see it much if at all in the professional leagues. Have you ever seen a professional football player do a crazy dance after he has made a good play and taunt the other player. We see it at the smallest of league play and all the way through college level and it is very wrong IMO!

Getting back to the original intent of this thread. I don't hate homosexual people. I tolerate them and I choose not to be around them. If that makes me less of a person then I am just less of a person. At least I'm not a superficial one who are around them and talk nice about them and then when I am alone or with other heterosexual friends of mine, talk about them. People can call me a homophobe if they want and that's okay. If you want to go with the flow and see no problem with this behaviour, that's your choice. I'm not some Bible thumping religious fanatic. I'm just someone who has ask Christ into my life and someone who believes that he is my personal saviour and will give me eternal life after I am gone.

For the atheists out there who don't believe, that is their choice and I can only pray that one day they will realize that their is a God and will follow Him.

Besides, you will never find an atheist in a foxhole in the middle of a war.