Gains maintained from EQ

[Swole_2112]

In a multi AAS cycle including EQ, does EQ make the gains acquired by the other AAS more retainable? Or, is it that the EQ gains alone are that which are more readily kept? Also, if the latter is the case, then how would running EQ by itself be a waste, as I've been told before?

I've been giving some thought to running an all EQ cycle, just to see how I do on it. Without going into the details, every cycle I've run in the past, with the exception of one, have been failures with regard to keeping the gains. The one that was a partial success was the most recent one where I ran a moderate amount of EQ for a short period of time. To be specific, 400 mg EQ/wk for four weeks, like I said, as stacked with a larger cycle. Thoughts?

 

[DieselGunz]

it is gradual lean gains that manifest themselves over time so the body has the ability to get used to the extra muscle more easily


Also it is lean gains no water or fat that most ass gives SO u do not loose that when going off. even tho it is water u still feel smaller

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

well 4 weeks is way too short to run eq as im sure you know......i think the gains are very keepable..my first eq cycle i ran it for 15 weeks with 6 weeks of var at the end at 75mg ed. Consider this was my first aas cycle and i ran the eq at 600mg ew. I was 170 starting the cycle...i finished week 15 at 200 pounds yes i gains 30 pounds and now, 3 months after the cycle i am at 195....i believe about 5 lbs of water was lost...but i have kept my diet up and the gains are definatly retainable. good luck...most people run it with test...i dont at least not yet cause it fucks with my cardio

 

[theprofessor]

keeping muscular gains will be a result of proper PCT and diet... no matter what AAS youre using...
if possible use somthing to keep off your water gains (im trying AIFM next round)... that way you'll have a more accurate way to track your lean gains...

 

[Swole_2112]

keeping muscular gains will be a result of proper PCT and diet... no matter what AAS youre using...
if possible use somthing to keep off your water gains (im trying AIFM next round)... that way you'll have a more accurate way to track your lean gains...

If that is the case, then why do some AAS have the reputation of resulting in more retainable gains than others?

I recall a cycle where I ran a very good PCT. I don't remember exactly what I was running during the cycle, but I did 1000 IUs HCG/day for 10 days post cycle and 40mg Nolva/day all through the cycle and three weeks post cycle. Now, some of you may think that is enough and some of you may not. However, the point is, even with that PCT, I retained next to nothing from my cycle. Even with a PCT being just "okay", I should have retained some of my gains, at least 40%. But, after all the AAS had worked it's way out of my blood, you'd swear I'd never been on to begin with.

Now, on the flip side, I'm reminded of a friend of mine. This guy runs decent cycles with zero post cycle therapy. I mean none, not even nolva, and this guy easily keeps half of his gains if not more.

I should make one final comment. The length of my last cycle may have had something to do with the gains that I retained. Still though, I think it was the EQ. After all, it was the first time I had run it. Here's the cycle. It was a little choppy. My supplier was slow in getting everything to me and screwed up on the EQ at the end.


Weeks 1-8: Dbol 40mg/day
Weeks 8-16: Sust 500mg/wk
Weeks 8-12: EQ 400mg/wk

I want to hear everybody's thoughts.

 

[boston789]

keeping muscular gains will be a result of proper PCT and diet... no matter what AAS youre using...
if possible use somthing to keep off your water gains (im trying AIFM next round)... that way you'll have a more accurate way to track your lean gains...

That is a very incorrect statement. Come on man....you mean to tell me that if you use the right PCT you'll keep just as much gains from dbol as you would with EQ or primo or var?

 

[Swole_2112]

That is a very incorrect statement. Come on man....you mean to tell me that if you use the right PCT you'll keep just as much gains from dbol as you would with EQ or primo or var?

That's pretty much what I was thinking. If that were the case, why wouldn't everybody do dbol for 10 weeks, then put more focus on their PCT?

 

[AhMadKooL]

If that is the case, then why do some AAS have the reputation of resulting in more retainable gains than others?

I recall a cycle where I ran a very good PCT. I don't remember exactly what I was running during the cycle, but I did 1000 IUs HCG/day for 10 days post cycle and 40mg Nolva/day all through the cycle and three weeks post cycle. Now, some of you may think that is enough and some of you may not. However, the point is, even with that PCT, I retained next to nothing from my cycle. Even with a PCT being just "okay", I should have retained some of my gains, at least 40%. But, after all the AAS had worked it's way out of my blood, you'd swear I'd never been on to begin with.

Now, on the flip side, I'm reminded of a friend of mine. This guy runs decent cycles with zero post cycle therapy. I mean none, not even nolva, and this guy easily keeps half of his gains if not more.

I should make one final comment. The length of my last cycle may have had something to do with the gains that I retained. Still though, I think it was the EQ. After all, it was the first time I had run it. Here's the cycle. It was a little choppy. My supplier was slow in getting everything to me and screwed up on the EQ at the end.


Weeks 1-8: Dbol 40mg/day
Weeks 8-16: Sust 500mg/wk
Weeks 8-12: EQ 400mg/wk

I want to hear everybody's thoughts.

You lost all your gains in this cycle because:

1) You ran Dbol alone without another injectable so as soon as u stopped the dbol you crashed hard

2) You ran the EQ and sus. for a short period especially the EQ; u need to run both for at least 12 weeks

 

[kbrkbr]

My biggest problem with you running eq alone is that you're libido will eventually crash.

 

[Swole_2112]

You lost all your gains in this cycle because:

1) You ran Dbol alone without another injectable so as soon as u stopped the dbol you crashed hard

2) You ran the EQ and sus. for a short period especially the EQ; u need to run both for at least 12 weeks

I didn't mean to be misleading. It was a completely different cycle where I ran the PCT I mentioned above and still lost all my gains. The cycle that I typed at the end of my comment was the cycle from which I did retain some of my gains. Didn't mean to through you off, there.

Also, you make some very good points. There's little doubt in my mind that had I been able to run this cycle the way it should have been, I would have retained even more gains from it than I did. However, and I know this isn't very scientific, the fact that this cycle (which included EQ) was so screwed up, and that I still retained a decent amount of gains from it, supports the idea that it was the presence of the EQ that resulted in the higher than normal retention of said gains. That was my most recent cycle to date, and it was the only one that had included EQ. At that time, I had used both test and dbol before.

 

[Swole_2112]

My biggest problem with you running eq alone is that you're libido will eventually crash.

Now, that could be a serious problem, especially considering I have a relatively low libido as it is. My gf might not like that too much.

 

[JimBoy]

I have run Eq alone for 12 weeks 600mg/week and kept most of what I gained, but it wasn't much. I regret not running test with it. I was also told that I didn't need pct since Eq is mild...WRONG. About a month or two after I crashed hard.

 

[Swole_2112]

I have run Eq alone for 12 weeks 600mg/week and kept most of what I gained, but it wasn't much. I regret not running test with it. I was also told that I didn't need pct since Eq is mild...WRONG. About a month or two after I crashed hard.

This is good stuff to know. Even if someone had told me I didn't need to bother with running a PCT I still would have. EQ is an AAS that mimics natural test. After injecting it for some period of time, the body's own test production would shut down.

If I would run it with test, I would probably do a low test dosage. You know, just as a base, and to keep the libido going. Perhaps something like:

Weeks 1-10: EQ 400mg/wk
Weeks 1-10: Cyp 200mg/wk

Thoughts?

 

[mikematt06]

if i were running eq with test i would do:

weeks 1-12 EQ 600mg/wk
weeks 1-12 Cyp or Enan 500 mg/week
then PCT

 

[kbrkbr]

This is good stuff to know. Even if someone had told me I didn't need to bother with running a PCT I still would have. EQ is an AAS that mimics natural test. After injecting it for some period of time, the body's own test production would shut down.

If I would run it with test, I would probably do a low test dosage. You know, just as a base, and to keep the libido going. Perhaps something like:

Weeks 1-10: EQ 400mg/wk
Weeks 1-10: Cyp 200mg/wk

Thoughts?

Were I you, I would start and finish my cycle with shorter esters.

 

[justinjones1963]

if i were running eq with test i would do:

weeks 1-12 EQ 600mg/wk
weeks 1-12 Cyp or Enan 500 mg/week
then PCT

That is a solid cycle.

Maybe front load it with dbol or tbol for 4 weeks and finish it off with 11-14 with winny 50mg/ed then hit PCT.

 

[Bruce]

well dieselgunz could not have put it any better. the gains that i get off of eq are lean shredded muscle. it comes from eating and training hard, it is not water weight or anything drastic like a gram of test drol or dbol. if you add a bunch of water weight with dbols say and you lose most of it its not that you lost muscle. if you are not holding water and your strength gains are coming from lean mass that you have you will keep most of it. lean gains = keepable gains imo.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

My biggest problem with you running eq alone is that you're libido will eventually crash.

fuck i need to do another eq cycle...i ran it for 15 weeks without test and no libido problems...my girlfriend has a really tight pussy and she complains when we have sex more than like eod because her pussy gets sore...i need to run it to slow me down because i fuck her eod and jerk eod...haha

 

[Bruce]

fuck i need to do another eq cycle...i ran it for 15 weeks without test and no libido problems...my girlfriend has a really tight pussy and she complains when we have sex more than like eod because her pussy gets sore...i need to run it to slow me down because i fuck her eod and jerk eod...haha

goddamn we are in the same damn boat. i kill mine and it sucks ass. eq makes me a fucking gorilla. i was on 800mg ew till this week since april 26th. never lost my libido in fact it is boosted. to give you an idea ive taken proviron once in 16 days. i'm on npp now and still no loss in libido.

the tight pussy is the shit, but its annoying when an angry steroid fuck puts her out of commision for a day or two and you are horney as all hell. try fittin 8 long 6 inches around in ya bitch and getting ass ed. lol

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

goddamn we are in the same damn boat. i kill mine and it sucks ass. eq makes me a fucking gorilla. i was on 800mg ew till this week since april 26th. never lost my libido in fact it is boosted. to give you an idea ive taken proviron once in 16 days. i'm on npp now and still no loss in libido.

the tight pussy is the shit, but its annoying when an angry steroid fuck puts her out of commision for a day or two and you are horney as all hell. try fittin 8 long 6 inches around in ya bitch and getting ass ed. lol

yeahhhhhh buddy!!!!

 

[DieselGunz]

goddamn we are in the same damn boat. i kill mine and it sucks ass. eq makes me a fucking gorilla. i was on 800mg ew till this week since april 26th. never lost my libido in fact it is boosted. to give you an idea ive taken proviron once in 16 days. i'm on npp now and still no loss in libido.

the tight pussy is the shit, but its annoying when an angry steroid fuck puts her out of commision for a day or two and you are horney as all hell. try fittin 8 long 6 inches around in ya bitch and getting ass ed. lol

interested to see how u react to npp alone and oct after beeing on for so long

 

[Bruce]

hornier than a silver back gorilla. just laid pipe like its going out of style. haven't needed proviron once. only test e mixed with deca ever killed my libido. we will see. but ive been on the npp on top of the eq for 2 weeks now and nothing has happened except bigger muscles

 

[DieselGunz]

that is always a good thing

 

[Bruce]

yea. i am done with aifm, fact, another guy popped up with a rash after use for 10 weeks and then alcatraz said it happened to him after 17 weeks. i can't have that shit happening. switching to aromasin. hope it doesn't affect anything. i'll see how pct goes in a few. i'm going hcg clomid nolva and aromasin. testes really don't seem to shrink much so getting my hpta going again shouldn't be too hard. eq was so mild man, and i think npp is as well. both have acted very similar for me as far as results and sides

 

[Swole_2112]

Were I you, I would start and finish my cycle with shorter esters.

That's an interesting idea. What's the reasoning behind it?

 

[T-Matt]

That's an interesting idea. What's the reasoning behind it?

Start with short esters to get a 'kick start'. Finish with short esters to have a more successful PCT b/c the chemicals clear the body faster..

T-Matt

 

[DieselGunz]

yea. i am done with aifm, fact, another guy popped up with a rash after use for 10 weeks and then alcatraz said it happened to him after 17 weeks. i can't have that shit happening. switching to aromasin. hope it doesn't affect anything. i'll see how pct goes in a few. i'm going hcg clomid nolva and aromasin. testes really don't seem to shrink much so getting my hpta going again shouldn't be too hard. eq was so mild man, and i think npp is as well. both have acted very similar for me as far as results and sides

yeah it is mild but u have been on a long time and the ester of EQ likes to linger around. I DO NOT use aifm, u know why. I have some Pro Form aormasin and will be using that as a antiE and pct. you should be ok with that PCT, u know your shit no doubt.


FUCK THE RASH believe me!

 

[Bruce]

That's an interesting idea. What's the reasoning behind it?

yea, why wait three weeks and lose gains till you can run pct when you can run a short ester that clears in a day or two while the long ones go.

 

[Swole_2112]

well dieselgunz could not have put it any better. the gains that i get off of eq are lean shredded muscle. it comes from eating and training hard, it is not water weight or anything drastic like a gram of test drol or dbol. if you add a bunch of water weight with dbols say and you lose most of it its not that you lost muscle. if you are not holding water and your strength gains are coming from lean mass that you have you will keep most of it. lean gains = keepable gains imo.

Well said. I agree 100%. I was also talking to friend of mine earlier today and he said that your body has to have a certain amount of muscle for three months before it is keepable. Any period of time less than that, and it is just borrowed mass.

Also, some say that eq alone will kill your libido, which I'm sure is their experience. However, I've heard that running winny by itself will kill one's libido, but I've done exactly that before and experienced a boost.

 

[Bruce]

yeah it is mild but u have been on a long time and the ester of EQ likes to linger around. I DO NOT use aifm, u know why. I have some Pro Form aormasin and will be using that as a antiE and pct. you should be ok with that PCT, u know your shit no doubt.


FUCK THE RASH believe me!

yea not gonna mess with that. i hope i'm ok after being on this long. i think i would feel lethargic or something if i was gonna crash. got my fingers crossed

 

[DieselGunz]

dont worry u have a plan of attack of what and how u r going to use it so u will be fine.

 

[Swole_2112]

yea, why wait three weeks and lose gains till you can run pct when you can run a short ester that clears in a day or two while the long ones go.

Point taken

 

[Bruce]

thanks brotha. the time that i really crashed i had lost libido and sexual ability long before pct. i had to start pct cause it was so bad. that was deca and test. this is not even close. its like my tbol cycle where i felt like i had never come off anything

 

[Swole_2112]

What are some of the classic sides that one gets with EQ?

 

[bogazo]

my opinion is that any aas you use if you got diet on 100% you can keep majority of gains...the gains i see that always dissapear is the water from the bloat!!!!!

 

[Bruce]

some say they lose their libido. not the case for me i just ran it for 17 months or more at 800mg ew without test. some get anxiety. not me i felt great. i think bp can elevate while on, that goes for all aas but some see it more with eq than other injects. certainly nothing like dbol or other orals. i really do not think i have ever heard of anyone getting eq gyno but if someone has go ahead and chime in. oh yea it increases your appetite intensly. which was great for me

 

[Bruce]

my opinion is that any aas you use if you got diet on 100% you can keep majority of gains...the gains i see that always dissapear is the water from the bloat!!!!!

you are correct. if you have made lean gains, meaning no water, then you will keep it if the diet and training remains teh same.

 

[DieselGunz]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to bruce410 again.

 

[T-Matt]

What are some of the classic sides that one gets with EQ?

I get insane pumps from EQ.. It gets really annoying when I go jogging for distances longer than 1 mile. My legs get so pumped I have to stop for a few minutes. Also, lol, when I'm having sex and really pounding the girl and clamping my feet down on the bed for more leverage, my anterior tibialis muscles in both legs get too pumped up and I have to stop for a few to let the pump subside.. Small price to pay..

T-Matt

 

[DieselGunz]

god damn now that is a pump!

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

hey bruce what weight you at right now?

 

[Bruce]

around 190 give or take a few