gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this please

[paintballproam]

how is it that with diesel you can gain like 20lbs in 4 weeks for a fraction of the cost of gear, yet with say a basic test cycle everyone will always tell you to expect 10-15lbs gain.
are you gaining mostly water from diesel or what?

 

[paintballproam]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

bump

 

[mohdgame]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

Exactly my thoughts. So diesal is stronger than test? Pro-hormone stronger than test?

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

Part of it is water yes, but you will keep atleast 15-17 of the gains. PH's are very instant gains and they are meant to act fast to where gear (depending on the ester) is more gradual gains.

 

[azntomahawk]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

Exactly, PH/DS gains are fast and can be harder to keep. Test is gradual and usually more permanent.

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

I agree with the speed, i have ran MANY ph's and 1 of them i even put on 24 lbs and kept 20 of it after pct so i wouldnt say its harder to keep just have to have the right pct and mindset.

 

[paintballproam]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

well my question is, say you gain 20lbs in 4weeks with diesel, and say 20lbs in 12weeks with test, what % of the diesel gains are lean muscle? what % of the test gains are lean muscle?

 

[GymDog99]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

well my question is, say you gain 20lbs in 4weeks with diesel, and say 20lbs in 12weeks with test, what % of the diesel gains are lean muscle? what % of the test gains are lean muscle?

Varies on the person. You're talking about drugs and their effects on the body, not buying a TV or car. Not everyone responds the same to particular drugs. For example, one guy might gain 12 lbs on a P/H cycle, while another might gain 20, yet they did the exact same thing. Running diesel or test does not = 20 lbs. It depends on your genetics, how much you eat, sleep, and train.

 

[paintballproam]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

i understand everyone is different, i mean on average what %of weight gain on diesel is lean muscle and what % with test?

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

i understand everyone is different, i mean on average what %of weight gain on diesel is lean muscle and what % with test?

thats pretty tough to measure as a flat percentage for everyone.

 

[paintballproam]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

i know but im just looking for a rough idea. like people say average gains on a test cycle is 7-15lbs, and diesel is 20, so i want to know just a rough idea of how much of the diesel weight is lean muscle tissue.

 

[hurtsomany]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

Honestly, some of it is lean muscle that you gain. Much of the weight, strength, and size gained from diesel comes from very full and engorged muscles. Some lean muscle is added, also. I have ran 2 diesel v1 cycles, never the v2.0. That is also why it works so quickly. IMO.

 

[d_rson]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

Both Diesel 1 and 2 were/are steroids, not prohormones. To me and my experience with prohormones, prohormones don't put a ton of weight on you. But Designer steroids do.

But I also believe that the person who puts 20lbs on with Diesel with everything planned out correctly, correct diet, training etc, would also put 20+lbs on in a test cycle.

 

[hurtsomany]

Re: gain 20lbs in 4 weeks with diesel, or 15lbs in 12wks with test? explain this plea

good point