Front loading Test.

[Blkout]

I can't answer that scientifically for you, but I can speak from personal experiecne that I HAVE noticed a difference between a cycle in which i frontloaded and a cycle in which i didn't...

YUM

No problem I just require more hardcore evidence than someone gaining or not gaining. I have found that many people here suffer the placebo effect and that if they think it works for them because it worked for others, then it must work for them too.

We have lots of people on this board who are always trying some new routine, cycle, supplement, and claiming its the lastest and greatest, and often they die off after everyone wates their time and money realizing it was just a hoax.

 

[Blkout]

I should have been more specific.

The part of your statement I disagree with is the last sentance: "I doubt front loading has anything to do with seeing gains up front."

All I can say is that I've used EQ before, but I've never been able to read the veins in my forearms like a roadmap after 10 days before I tried frontloading.

I notice we've got 2 threads going on this subject right now. In the other one I think Zyg mentions something like 80% of the people he's heard from see an increased benefit from frontloading. I can't throw out figures like that, but hearing that type of feedback is what got me to try it in the first place. I think it worked much better for me that using d-bol for the first few weeks.

If you see gains in the first week with normal injection amounts than I think that's great, and I'm actually a little envious. But, the simple fact is, I take longer to see results without frontloading.

Fair enough, but like I said, its hard to prove one method works when you have others that say it does not work for them. I still see an increase of any amount of test int he body will give some gains immediately, I can't really see how it couldn't. As long as they test is present, the gains are going to be there.

The only reason I think people tend to think that test takes 3 to 4 weeks to work is because it just takes that much time to start getting close to the goals they set when they started the cycle, I believe that the gains are being made the whole time from the first injection, its just that it takes time to make a noticeable difference that can be seen.

And I think 80% is stretching it as far as people who say it works for them, I don't see 80% saying that, but I know its not your figure, so I don't hold you responsible for that number. Seems 50-50 at best.

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

Damnit, whats wrong with ALA? I believe the reason behind frontloading is to increase the amount of total test in your system (yeah, iguess that was kinda obvious). I think that the test will start releasing slowly in the blood once injected but maximum concetrations are not there till a week or so later, so im guessing the front load is to increase the amount of test that is being released. im probably wrong though...

Ross

 

[Xtreme2001]

Thanks for the responses.

 

[Blkout]

Damnit, whats wrong with ALA? I believe the reason behind frontloading is to increase the amount of total test in your system (yeah, iguess that was kinda obvious). I think that the test will start releasing slowly in the blood once injected but maximum concetrations are not there till a week or so later, so im guessing the front load is to increase the amount of test that is being released. im probably wrong though...

Ross

Yes, I know the theory behind frontloading, but you see, when you inject with Test, its released in your bloodstream within a few hours, the levels may not peak for about a day or so, but its still in your system almost immediately, my question is for those who think frontloading works, why don't you feel the gains that day or the next day, rather than one week later?

Oh yea, nothing wrong with ALA, its just the miracle supplment everyone here made it out to be a few months back. Hell there were guys here claiming it was more potent that Test. I was just stating that there are many new fads here on this board every few months and almost all of them die off after everyone realizes it was a hoax.

 

[BiggieB]

http://www.geocities.com/brainroid/daCalc/calc.html

 

[BiggieB]

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Yes, I know the theory behind frontloading, but you see, when you inject with Test, its released in your bloodstream within a few hours, the levels may not peak for about a day or so, but its still in your system almost immediately, my question is for those who think frontloading works, why don't you feel the gains that day or the next day, rather than one week later?

Oh yea, nothing wrong with ALA, its just the miracle supplment everyone here made it out to be a few months back. Hell there were guys here claiming it was more potent that Test. I was just stating that there are many new fads here on this board every few months and almost all of them die off after everyone realizes it was a hoax.
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- why would it only peak a few days later ? i anything i'd expect it to peak immidietly .. check out the reference to the roid-calc i posted.. the reason you dont feel anytinhg befor the end of week one is because you havent accumulated a total amount of test that gives you the kick yet .... If you fron with 2G of test the first week, im pretty sure u'd feel it day-2 if you popped all 2G on day-1.

 

[Blkout]

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Yes, I know the theory behind frontloading, but you see, when you inject with Test, its released in your bloodstream within a few hours, the levels may not peak for about a day or so, but its still in your system almost immediately, my question is for those who think frontloading works, why don't you feel the gains that day or the next day, rather than one week later?

Oh yea, nothing wrong with ALA, its just the miracle supplment everyone here made it out to be a few months back. Hell there were guys here claiming it was more potent that Test. I was just stating that there are many new fads here on this board every few months and almost all of them die off after everyone realizes it was a hoax.
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- why would it only peak a few days later ? i anything i'd expect it to peak immidietly .. check out the reference to the roid-calc i posted.. the reason you dont feel anytinhg befor the end of week one is because you havent accumulated a total amount of test that gives you the kick yet .... If you fron with 2G of test the first week, im pretty sure u'd feel it day-2 if you popped all 2G on day-1.

Test Enanthate and Cypionate peaks one day after the shot. That's what all studies show anyway.

 

[BiggieB]

if we're talking about bio availability, then i believe you... but its rater a 'delayed' effect, as a rough approximation the basic halflife algorithm should be plenty sufficient..

 

[Zyglamail]

No problem I just require more hardcore evidence than someone gaining or not gaining. I have found that many people here suffer the placebo effect and that if they think it works for them because it worked for others, then it must work for them too.

We have lots of people on this board who are always trying some new routine, cycle, supplement, and claiming its the lastest and greatest, and often they die off after everyone wates their time and money realizing it was just a hoax.

This topic has been covered adnauseum. A whole cycleing theory actually with graphs (based on what we can graph with the data we have) and the 2 week double dose or single week triple dose were not picked out of the air but were chosen because those doses get blood levels up to where they would normally peak on a flat dosed cycle, which by the way doesnt occure until after the last injection for a flat dosed cycle.