Front loading Test.

[Xtreme2001]

I was curious. If I were to front load cyp for the sake of arguement.

How much is too much to frontload?

If I were to run 600mg/week for 10 weeks, would frontloading 1000mg/week for weeks 1-2 be optimum? or should I run those dosage higher?

I'm just trying to see what dosage works bet for frontloading.
I don't have the charts zyg posted a while back. That's why I'm asking

Thanks

 

[Zyglamail]

I was curious. If I were to front load cyp for the sake of arguement.

How much is too much to frontload?

If I were to run 600mg/week for 10 weeks, would frontloading 1000mg/week for weeks 1-2 be optimum? or should I run those dosage higher?

I'm just trying to see what dosage works bet for frontloading.
I don't have the charts zyg posted a while back. That's why I'm asking

Thanks

I prefere to double the intended dose for the first 2 weeks, some chose a more aggressive approach and do 3x dose for fisrt week.

Is it too much of a frontload? Not if your comfortable with those doses and have some experience under your belt. Last cycle I frontloaded, first two weeks I was taking 1500mg/wk test enth and 1600mg/wk EQ and was making gains by the end of the first week.

 

[Blkout]

For the record, I gain from the first week I use test too, and I don't front load at all. I can notice a shot of test in my system within a day or two. I doubt front loading has anything to do with seeing gains up front.

 

[Dan2232]

For the record, I gain from the first week I use test too, and I don't front load at all. I can notice a shot of test in my system within a day or two. I doubt front loading has anything to do with seeing gains up front.

I disagree. I frontloaded for the first time on my current cycle with EQ and Test. Started seeing results by the end of week 1.

I had never seen results this quickly before. I'll probably frontload on every cycle from now on.

 

[Blkout]

I disagree. I frontloaded for the first time on my current cycle with EQ and Test. Started seeing results by the end of week 1.

I had never seen results this quickly before. I'll probably frontload on every cycle from now on.

And so you disagree, I just told you that I see results within the first week and I DON'T frontload, so what does this mean?

 

[Willyumyum]

You may notice it somewhat, but to gain a fairly level concentration of the given drug(s) in your system, it will take some time.. And when that concentration is reached gains will be more consistent... that is the goal of frontloading, as i understand it..

YUM

 

[Blkout]

If that's the case, why not just take 4G's of testone day during the first week and the level should be established right away, should be able to notice results that afternoon in the gym if that's the case. After all it only takes a few hours for it to be absorbed into your system. One 4G shot in the morning, should be Jay Cutler by that afternoon.

I still believe front loading is BS hocus pocus started on this board a long time ago, its dying off slowly as people are realizing its a waste of time, its just that there are a few die hards left who have not let it go. Give it more time, it will pass just like every other fad here on this board.

How about that ALA fad a few months back?

 

[Willyumyum]

I can't answer that scientifically for you, but I can speak from personal experiecne that I HAVE noticed a difference between a cycle in which i frontloaded and a cycle in which i didn't...

YUM

 

[Dan2232]

And so you disagree, I just told you that I see results within the first week and I DON'T frontload, so what does this mean?

I should have been more specific.

The part of your statement I disagree with is the last sentance: "I doubt front loading has anything to do with seeing gains up front."

All I can say is that I've used EQ before, but I've never been able to read the veins in my forearms like a roadmap after 10 days before I tried frontloading.

I notice we've got 2 threads going on this subject right now. In the other one I think Zyg mentions something like 80% of the people he's heard from see an increased benefit from frontloading. I can't throw out figures like that, but hearing that type of feedback is what got me to try it in the first place. I think it worked much better for me that using d-bol for the first few weeks.

If you see gains in the first week with normal injection amounts than I think that's great, and I'm actually a little envious. But, the simple fact is, I take longer to see results without frontloading.

 

[Canuck4]

I hate waiting 4-5 weeks to see results with test.
Is it ok to frontload only the first week with double dose or does it have to be 2 weeks?

 

[Blkout]

I can't answer that scientifically for you, but I can speak from personal experiecne that I HAVE noticed a difference between a cycle in which i frontloaded and a cycle in which i didn't...

YUM

No problem I just require more hardcore evidence than someone gaining or not gaining. I have found that many people here suffer the placebo effect and that if they think it works for them because it worked for others, then it must work for them too.

We have lots of people on this board who are always trying some new routine, cycle, supplement, and claiming its the lastest and greatest, and often they die off after everyone wates their time and money realizing it was just a hoax.

 

[Blkout]

I should have been more specific.

The part of your statement I disagree with is the last sentance: "I doubt front loading has anything to do with seeing gains up front."

All I can say is that I've used EQ before, but I've never been able to read the veins in my forearms like a roadmap after 10 days before I tried frontloading.

I notice we've got 2 threads going on this subject right now. In the other one I think Zyg mentions something like 80% of the people he's heard from see an increased benefit from frontloading. I can't throw out figures like that, but hearing that type of feedback is what got me to try it in the first place. I think it worked much better for me that using d-bol for the first few weeks.

If you see gains in the first week with normal injection amounts than I think that's great, and I'm actually a little envious. But, the simple fact is, I take longer to see results without frontloading.

Fair enough, but like I said, its hard to prove one method works when you have others that say it does not work for them. I still see an increase of any amount of test int he body will give some gains immediately, I can't really see how it couldn't. As long as they test is present, the gains are going to be there.

The only reason I think people tend to think that test takes 3 to 4 weeks to work is because it just takes that much time to start getting close to the goals they set when they started the cycle, I believe that the gains are being made the whole time from the first injection, its just that it takes time to make a noticeable difference that can be seen.

And I think 80% is stretching it as far as people who say it works for them, I don't see 80% saying that, but I know its not your figure, so I don't hold you responsible for that number. Seems 50-50 at best.

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

Damnit, whats wrong with ALA? I believe the reason behind frontloading is to increase the amount of total test in your system (yeah, iguess that was kinda obvious). I think that the test will start releasing slowly in the blood once injected but maximum concetrations are not there till a week or so later, so im guessing the front load is to increase the amount of test that is being released. im probably wrong though...

Ross

 

[Xtreme2001]

Thanks for the responses.

 

[Blkout]

Damnit, whats wrong with ALA? I believe the reason behind frontloading is to increase the amount of total test in your system (yeah, iguess that was kinda obvious). I think that the test will start releasing slowly in the blood once injected but maximum concetrations are not there till a week or so later, so im guessing the front load is to increase the amount of test that is being released. im probably wrong though...

Ross

Yes, I know the theory behind frontloading, but you see, when you inject with Test, its released in your bloodstream within a few hours, the levels may not peak for about a day or so, but its still in your system almost immediately, my question is for those who think frontloading works, why don't you feel the gains that day or the next day, rather than one week later?

Oh yea, nothing wrong with ALA, its just the miracle supplment everyone here made it out to be a few months back. Hell there were guys here claiming it was more potent that Test. I was just stating that there are many new fads here on this board every few months and almost all of them die off after everyone realizes it was a hoax.

 

[BiggieB]

http://www.geocities.com/brainroid/daCalc/calc.html

 

[BiggieB]

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Yes, I know the theory behind frontloading, but you see, when you inject with Test, its released in your bloodstream within a few hours, the levels may not peak for about a day or so, but its still in your system almost immediately, my question is for those who think frontloading works, why don't you feel the gains that day or the next day, rather than one week later?

Oh yea, nothing wrong with ALA, its just the miracle supplment everyone here made it out to be a few months back. Hell there were guys here claiming it was more potent that Test. I was just stating that there are many new fads here on this board every few months and almost all of them die off after everyone realizes it was a hoax.
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- why would it only peak a few days later ? i anything i'd expect it to peak immidietly .. check out the reference to the roid-calc i posted.. the reason you dont feel anytinhg befor the end of week one is because you havent accumulated a total amount of test that gives you the kick yet .... If you fron with 2G of test the first week, im pretty sure u'd feel it day-2 if you popped all 2G on day-1.

 

[Blkout]

"
Yes, I know the theory behind frontloading, but you see, when you inject with Test, its released in your bloodstream within a few hours, the levels may not peak for about a day or so, but its still in your system almost immediately, my question is for those who think frontloading works, why don't you feel the gains that day or the next day, rather than one week later?

Oh yea, nothing wrong with ALA, its just the miracle supplment everyone here made it out to be a few months back. Hell there were guys here claiming it was more potent that Test. I was just stating that there are many new fads here on this board every few months and almost all of them die off after everyone realizes it was a hoax.
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- why would it only peak a few days later ? i anything i'd expect it to peak immidietly .. check out the reference to the roid-calc i posted.. the reason you dont feel anytinhg befor the end of week one is because you havent accumulated a total amount of test that gives you the kick yet .... If you fron with 2G of test the first week, im pretty sure u'd feel it day-2 if you popped all 2G on day-1.

Test Enanthate and Cypionate peaks one day after the shot. That's what all studies show anyway.

 

[BiggieB]

if we're talking about bio availability, then i believe you... but its rater a 'delayed' effect, as a rough approximation the basic halflife algorithm should be plenty sufficient..

 

[Zyglamail]

No problem I just require more hardcore evidence than someone gaining or not gaining. I have found that many people here suffer the placebo effect and that if they think it works for them because it worked for others, then it must work for them too.

We have lots of people on this board who are always trying some new routine, cycle, supplement, and claiming its the lastest and greatest, and often they die off after everyone wates their time and money realizing it was just a hoax.

This topic has been covered adnauseum. A whole cycleing theory actually with graphs (based on what we can graph with the data we have) and the 2 week double dose or single week triple dose were not picked out of the air but were chosen because those doses get blood levels up to where they would normally peak on a flat dosed cycle, which by the way doesnt occure until after the last injection for a flat dosed cycle.

 

[Zyglamail]

Test Enanthate and Cypionate peaks one day after the shot. That's what all studies show anyway.

Are people not reading around here? Sure they peak after 12-24 hours, but that doesnt mean its done releasing it just means that the largest amount is released that soon, the rest of it is released over days. So for those that sit and use the studies as a reason not to frontload I guess your cycles consist of 1 injection huh?

 

[Blkout]

Are people not reading around here? Sure they peak after 12-24 hours, but that doesnt mean its done releasing it just means that the largest amount is released that soon, the rest of it is released over days. So for those that sit and use the studies as a reason not to frontload I guess your cycles consist of 1 injection huh?

Its all realeased at that point, its just that ester itself is in a decline from that point on. By the 6th day, an injection of Test Enanthate is already half as strong as it was on the 2nd Day.

As for one injection, yes, once every 6-7 days or so with Test Enanthate, this keep blood levels about as high as possible withing reason without taking them every 3-4 days.

 

[Zyglamail]

As for one injection, yes, once every 6-7 days or so with Test Enanthate, this keep blood levels about as high as possible withing reason without taking them every 3-4 days.

For me I suffer the worst sides at the beginning of a cycle when hormones levels are flutcuating the most. Its the same weather I frontload or not and usually subsides in 2 weeks. Now, If I follow your method and inj enth every 6-7 days my blood levels will be dropping to half, then peaking a bit higher then dropping in half etc etc. Part of my goals when cycling are to keep blood levels a bit more constant than that and with that consistance comes less sides. Now, if you promote wildy fluctuating blood levels, more power to ya, but perhaps you should follow your own advice and let people try other methods because by your own statements, we are all different and your method may not work best for others.

 

[Blkout]

For me I suffer the worst sides at the beginning of a cycle when hormones levels are flutcuating the most. Its the same weather I frontload or not and usually subsides in 2 weeks. Now, If I follow your method and inj enth every 6-7 days my blood levels will be dropping to half, then peaking a bit higher then dropping in half etc etc. Part of my goals when cycling are to keep blood levels a bit more constant than that and with that consistance comes less sides. Now, if you promote wildy fluctuating blood levels, more power to ya, but perhaps you should follow your own advice and let people try other methods because by your own statements, we are all different and your method may not work best for others.

Haha, OK Zyg, my method is only tried and true for the last 50 years or so. I guess its just "my" method. Look up any info on Test Enanthate or or Cypionate and it will tell you inject once a week......meaning very 7 days or so.

So, regardless of frontloading, how often do you inject when your taking Test Enathate or Cypionate? If your waiting any longer than 2 days, your blood levels are dropping. The fluctuation is not quite as extreme as you make it out to be, were not talking about Test Suspension here.

 

[serge]

Haha, OK Zyg, my method is only tried and true for the last 50 years or so. I guess its just "my" method. Look up any info on Test Enanthate or or Cypionate and it will tell you inject once a week......meaning very 7 days or so.

So, regardless of frontloading, how often do you inject when your taking Test Enathate or Cypionate? If your waiting any longer than 2 days, your blood levels are dropping. The fluctuation is not quite as extreme as you make it out to be, were not talking about Test Suspension here.

i suppose you beleave that tapering your cycles will begin to restore HPTA sooner then stoping cold-turkey on fast acting drugs

 

[Blkout]

i suppose you beleave that tapering your cycles will begin to restore HPTA sooner then stoping cold-turkey on fast acting drugs

Nope, cold turkey is the way to go. It benefits none to taper.

 

[serge]

Nope, cold turkey is the way to go. It benefits none to taper.

just making sure

i do beleave that frontloading is the way to go with slow acting gear, but then again i dont bother with slow acting shit

 

[Zyglamail]

Haha, OK Zyg, my method is only tried and true for the last 50 years or so. I guess its just "my" method. Look up any info on Test Enanthate or or Cypionate and it will tell you inject once a week......meaning very 7 days or so.

All the places that talk of injecting once every week are those geared toward hormone replacement therapy. In cases like that you just want test levels, any test levels, your not trying to get the modt bang for the buck. You also say that your method is tried and true and has been in use for 50 years. If im not mistaken many years ago pyramiding dose was the way to go? Now your telling me that was never the "tried and true" way and that your method of a flat dose is?