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i'm about to start a test/var/hgh cycle.....but my bud wants to run a var only cycle. i have never run a cycle w/o test as base.... always had pretty good idea of what to do for pct.... no idea when no test is involved....

he wants a var only with hcg involved--- any advice?

EGO! :evil:

oh yeah-- its his 4th cycle and is just for cutting. all of his previous have been test based as well.
 
jon79 said:
80mg/day 6 weeks

no PCT - post cycle therapy - needed

clear pms i tried to hit ya up
80mgs will shut you down a little some people alot I would run some kind of pct. Clomid would be fine.
 
mookie said:
80mgs will shut you down a little some people alot I would run some kind of PCT - post cycle therapy - . Clomid would be fine.

agreed. Var will shut u down at those doses.
 
Of course you need PCT...your body stops producing test as soon as you begin using steroids. Also, 80 mgs ed is a lot...in some people this amount provides diminishing returns.

Kid stop giving out advice about LE or steroid use...you don't no your stuff at all.

jon79 said:
80mg/day 6 weeks

no PCT - post cycle therapy - needed

clear pms i tried to hit ya up
 
Here's an interesting piece....
_________________
Going to Ask About Anavar Alone? READ THIS FIRST!
By Dflood @ AR


I have seen about three threads a day in the past month on anavar alone, and they all turn into arguments involving the same parties....so let this just be a "guide" for an individual planning/considering using oxandrolone as a standalone compound.

First, id like to get a few things straight about var.

MYTHS

Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.

Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.


LIBIDO

The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.

#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.

BENEFITS

Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.

#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

#2 - Pumps
When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .

CYCLE

Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.

Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.

LIVER PROTECTION

Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant

3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants

5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system

LIPID PROTECTION

Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...

1 - Flax Oil
Consuming lots of omega fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.

2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.

3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.



I hope that people read this, and that it helps those doing their research to make the correct decision. If anyone sees any glaring errors, or has something important to add, hit me with a PM and ill do some editing.

Dflood
 
mateo de la ley said:
Here's an interesting piece....
_________________
Going to Ask About Anavar Alone? READ THIS FIRST!
By Dflood @ AR


I have seen about three threads a day in the past month on anavar alone, and they all turn into arguments involving the same parties....so let this just be a "guide" for an individual planning/considering using oxandrolone as a standalone compound.

First, id like to get a few things straight about Anavar - oxandrolone - .

MYTHS

Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - .
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT - post cycle therapy - .

Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that Anavar - oxandrolone - is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - ....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for Anavar - oxandrolone - is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.


LIBIDO

The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.

#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - onhand on the off chance that you are severely gynecomastia prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.

BENEFITS

Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.

#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

#2 - Pumps
When on Anavar - oxandrolone - , the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on Anavar - oxandrolone - , its not gonna happen .

CYCLE

Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.

Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test testosterone propionate 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for testosterone propionate, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.

LIVER PROTECTION

Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

2 - R alpha lipoic acid
A powerful antioxidant

3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants

5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system

LIPID PROTECTION

Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (Winstrol - stanozolol being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...

1 - Flax Oil
Consuming lots of omega fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.

2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.

3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.



I hope that people read this, and that it helps those doing their research to make the correct decision. If anyone sees any glaring errors, or has something important to add, hit me with a PM and ill do some editing.

Dflood

medical research sources please
 
The AAS Oxandrolone in Treatmet of Wasting & Catabolic Disorders: Review of Efficacy & Safety. Drugs, 2004, Vol. 64 Issue 10, p1041-1052.

No evidence exista to suggest that distinct short term treatment (less than 3 monhs) with oxandrolone has led to the developmet of hepatoxicity as reported with other 17alkylated aas.
 
by the way dosasgs used were 80mg ed for men and up to 200 for women.....for those of u who like the little details
 
mateo de la ley said:
Here's an interesting piece....
_________________
Going to Ask About Anavar Alone? READ THIS FIRST!
By Dflood @ AR


I have seen about three threads a day in the past month on anavar alone, and they all turn into arguments involving the same parties....so let this just be a "guide" for an individual planning/considering using oxandrolone as a standalone compound.

First, id like to get a few things straight about Anavar - oxandrolone - .

MYTHS

Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - .
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT - post cycle therapy - .

Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that Anavar - oxandrolone - is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - ....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for Anavar - oxandrolone - is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.


LIBIDO

The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.

#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - onhand on the off chance that you are severely gynecomastia prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.

BENEFITS

Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.

#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

#2 - Pumps
When on Anavar - oxandrolone - , the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on Anavar - oxandrolone - , its not gonna happen .

CYCLE

Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.

Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test testosterone propionate 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for testosterone propionate, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.

LIVER PROTECTION

Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

2 - R alpha lipoic acid
A powerful antioxidant

3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants

5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system

LIPID PROTECTION

Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (Winstrol - stanozolol being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...

1 - Flax Oil
Consuming lots of omega fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.

2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.

3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.



I hope that people read this, and that it helps those doing their research to make the correct decision. If anyone sees any glaring errors, or has something important to add, hit me with a PM and ill do some editing.

Dflood
I disagree with darn near every word of this post. You will not gain 20 lbs of lbm on an anavar only cycle (if that were the case, 4 cycles of var would give you 40-80 lbs of LBM all of which you could keep? No way! You will not "keep ALL of your gains" on any cycle of anything, including anavar,
 
all i need to know is whether or not he will need anything other than HCG for a pct. trying to stay away from clomid.
 
mateo de la ley said:
Of course you need PCT - post cycle therapy - ...your body stops producing test as soon as you begin using steroids. Also, 80 mgs ed is a lot...in some people this amount provides diminishing returns.

Kid stop giving out advice about LE or steroid use...you don't no your stuff at all.
what run some clomid with if u want but other that that fuck it

i am not a fucking kid

you need to get yourself in check before u go barking orders at members
 
mateo de la ley said:
Of course you need PCT - post cycle therapy - ...your body stops producing test as soon as you begin using steroids. Also, 80 mgs ed is a lot...in some people this amount provides diminishing returns.

Kid stop giving out advice about LE or steroid use...you don't no your stuff at all.
and before you get into other ppls biz.....he knows me and we know the cycles we have done....so he knows whats to much for him

oh yea and i can't wait for the huge crash when i come off anavar omg....


i was not talking adding with test dude
 
jon79 said:
what run some clomid with if u want but other that that fuck it

i am not a fucking kid

you need to get yourself in check before u go barking orders at members
simmer down ghost. i among others VALUE your experience and opinion. you are clearly a very knowledgeable bro with LOTS to offer this and other boards. let 'em rant and rave........we know and trust you! :)
 
layinback said:
simmer down ghost. i among others VALUE your experience and opinion. you are clearly a very knowledgeable bro with LOTS to offer this and other boards. let 'em rant and rave........we know and trust you! :)
na but he is right with test....i was just saying straight var cycle....

did not mean with the test.....fucik nevermind
 
amen. there you have it upthere on that thread! it will shut you down.!! pct is a must.. even on primo.

just my 2 cc's
 
jeb0177 said:
amen. there you have it upthere on that thread! it will shut you down.!! PCT - post cycle therapy - is a must.. even on Primobolan - methenolone - .

just my 2 cc's
well i did not read it right and i was not talking about test and i can't edit the post
 
ego boner said:
i'm about to start a test/Anavar - oxandrolone - /human growth hormone - somatropin - cycle.....but my bud wants to run a Anavar - oxandrolone - only cycle. i have never run a cycle w/o test as base.... always had pretty good idea of what to do for PCT - post cycle therapy - .... no idea when no test is involved....

he wants a Anavar - oxandrolone - only with HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - involved--- any advice?

EGO! :evil:

oh yeah-- its his 4th cycle and is just for cutting. all of his previous have been test based as well.


Have hin run 4-60mg daily for 10 week,,,run some clomid Nolva following cycel.
 
8AND20 said:
The anabolic androgenic steroids Oxandrolone in Treatmet of Wasting & Catabolic Disorders: Review of Efficacy & Safety. Drugs, 2004, Vol. 64 Issue 10, p1041-1052.

No evidence exista to suggest that distinct short term treatment (less than 3 monhs) with oxandrolone has led to the developmet of hepatoxicity as reported with other 17alkylated anabolic androgenic steroids.

This has nothing to do with natural test supression. hepatoxicity has to do with liver tox. Not trying to be a prick here but you're making yourself look bad with these tremendously incorrect posts.

To your original question. As the article says av ar will shut down somewhat. 80mg is more than you need. 40 to 50 is fine. How much it shuts him down really depends as it will vary from individual to individual.

Bottom line is it will probably shut him down somewhat, so some type of p c t will most likely be needed. As expensive as av ar is, some h c g is cheap by comparison so have some on hand.

Better yet - I would honestly consider some dermacrine or post cycle or unleashed here. As mild a cycle as that is those supplements would probably be all he'd need.

Good luck.
 
oxandrolone is an analog of t.e.s.t.o.s.t.e.r.o.n.e.
1. it is suppressive ergo it WILL shut you down.
2. it is hepatoxic. maybe not in the category of Abombs, but it is a 17 alkylated.
3. for anyone that has done quality ox e.g. BTG, you understand this is a serious drug that WILL give you quality gains.
 
simmer down ghost. i among others VALUE your experience and opinion. you are clearly a very knowledgeable bro with LOTS to offer this and other boards. let 'em rant and rave........we know and trust you!



I DONT SEE A POST IN THIS THREAD FROM ME........
 
holy ghost said:
simmer down ghost. i among others VALUE your experience and opinion. you are clearly a very knowledgeable bro with LOTS to offer this and other boards. let 'em rant and rave........we know and trust you!



I DONT SEE A POST IN THIS THREAD FROM ME........
that was my buddy jon, i had a brain fart.......i am old you know lol
 
oh, i was like what the fuck homey why you tripn on ya boy!

THATS WHAT THEY MAKE HGH FOR OLDIES BUT GOLDIES LIKE YOU PARTNA
 
holy ghost said:
simmer down ghost. i among others VALUE your experience and opinion. you are clearly a very knowledgeable bro with LOTS to offer this and other boards. let 'em rant and rave........we know and trust you!



I DONT SEE A POST IN THIS THREAD FROM ME........
yea simma down now....

i am a little hot headed lol......i was just refering to uning var in this tread not test as well lol whatever its over lol
 
holy ghost said:
oh, i was like what the fuck homey why you tripn on ya boy!

THATS WHAT THEY MAKE human growth hormone - somatropin - FOR OLDIES BUT GOLDIES LIKE YOU PARTNA
LOLOLOL. ghost, i am on my biggest cycle ever ( not a lot to a bro like you ) look and give me your opinion:

week 1-12 test E 250

week 1-12 primo 400

week 1-12 eq 600

week 1-6 test prop 100 EOD

week 8-12 tren either 50 EOD or 100 twice a week
 
honestly id extend the teest e to 16 wks
and the eq to 16 wks bro

dont do the 100 2x a week if its tren A i tried that on a friend and it barely worked
cut the injections into .5s so you can do them more frequent if thats the case bro

other than that looks good hows your diet whats your body type etc
 
holy ghost said:
honestly id extend the teest e to 16 wks
and the Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - to 16 wks bro

dont do the 100 2x a week if its trenbolone A i tried that on a friend and it barely worked
cut the injections into .5s so you can do them more frequent if thats the case bro

other than that looks good hows your diet whats your body type etc
ectomorph body type. i am 6'4 240 and 8% according to calipers ( i know i know notoriously inaccurate but i am crazy lean) average day:

1. muscle milk.
2. 10 eggs (8 whites 2 whole) oatmeal
3. muscle milk with scoop of isolate.
4 8oz chicken breast and steamed veggies.
5. 2 scoops whey isolate with water and tablespoon flax
6. lean beef with beans or baked salmon and brown rice or 1% cottage cheese and apple.
7. casein shake.

almonds and lo lo sugar yogurt when i am overcome with this bullshit diet.
i do not cheat when cycling and once a week when off.
 
looks great bro, your an ecto so you should no problem shredding

the bulking is where you ectos need big help
ovb your not a complete ecto if youre 240 and 8% bf
thats prtty big bro

anytime you need diet advice
or cycle advice hit me up

as long as its not refined sugars
they have very low thermic effect

remember low quality sugars and low quality fats is bad combo
ie ice cream, doughnuts, feettucini alfredo

The second worst combination is sugar and alcohol. Alcohol that is mixed in high
sugar drinks can contribute to literally thousands of calories over the course of an
evening. Alcohol inhibits fat burning. One night with a high-fat, high-carbohydrate
dinner followed by un-moderated drinking could set you back an entire week!


The 12 worst fat-storing foods you should never eat
X Ice cream
X Fried foods
X Doughnuts and pastries
X Candy, chocolate & sweets
X Soda
X Fruit “drinks” and other sugar-sweetened beverages
X Potato chips
X Bacon, sausage
X White Bread
X Hot dogs, fast food burgers
X Cookies

X Sugary breakfast cereals

Protein has the highest thermic effect of any food
(nearly 30%). For example, if you eat 100 calories of chicken breast, 30 of those calories
are burned off just to digest it

hit me up bro
 
holy ghost said:
looks great bro, your an ecto so you should no problem shredding

the bulking is where you ectos need big help
ovb your not a complete ecto if youre 240 and 8% bf
thats prtty big bro

anytime you need diet advice
or cycle advice hit me up

as long as its not refined sugars
they have very low thermic effect

remember low quality sugars and low quality fats is bad combo
ie ice cream, doughnuts, feettucini alfredo

The second worst combination is sugar and alcohol. Alcohol that is mixed in high
sugar drinks can contribute to literally thousands of calories over the course of an
evening. Alcohol inhibits fat burning. One night with a high-fat, high-carbohydrate
dinner followed by un-moderated drinking could set you back an entire week!


The 12 worst fat-storing foods you should never eat
X Ice cream
X Fried foods
X Doughnuts and pastries
X Candy, chocolate & sweets
X Soda
X Fruit “drinks” and other sugar-sweetened beverages
X Potato chips
X Bacon, sausage
X White Bread
X Hot dogs, fast food burgers
X Cookies

X Sugary breakfast cereals

Protein has the highest thermic effect of any food
(nearly 30%). For example, if you eat 100 calories of chicken breast, 30 of those calories
are burned off just to digest it

hit me up bro
dude that is a very cool post...would make for a great thread.

i have not had a soda in 11 years! i have only done a handful of cycles and have made tremendous gains with STRICT diet and intense training. no high volume....but strict form and HIGH intensity. i got accused of being on the juice all the time- even when i hadnt cycled in 2 years lol. as far as bulking, dbol test and 5000 cals and i can gain 20lb's in 2 months! if i had a better chest i would compete. i have the chest of a prepubescent girl....but it is defined.
 
read my thread in the diet and fitness forum

i have tons of dieting info brother

you should research DC training
RIP MIKE MENTZER

it has turned tons of shrimps into pros
fucking excellent for breaking muscle and strength plateaus

doggcrapp.com i think is the link
 
mattdan said:
This has nothing to do with natural test supression. hepatoxicity has to do with liver tox. Not trying to be a prick here but you're making yourself look bad with these tremendously incorrect posts.

To your original question. As the article says av ar will shut down somewhat. 80mg is more than you need. 40 to 50 is fine. How much it shuts him down really depends as it will vary from individual to individual.

Bottom line is it will probably shut him down somewhat, so some type of p c t will most likely be needed. As expensive as av ar is, some h c g is cheap by comparison so have some on hand.

Better yet - I would honestly consider some dermacrine or post cycle or unleashed here. As mild a cycle as that is those supplements would probably be all he'd need.

Good luck.

I know what hepatoxicity is bro. I was responding to mateo's nice long little post that included a part about liver toxicity (see previous pages) that I disagreed with. I had originally started to look for the article about hpta supression as I still believe the cycle that was proposed was mild enough not to shut him down as much as mateo claimed. I was a work at the time and had to give up the search but I know I have seen it somewhere before in my research of var. So at worst I am guilty of thread jacking.
 
I did var only many times in the past. Usually at 40mg/ED for 4-8 weeks. No PCT but that's very personal and I wouldnt go on the soap box and tell everyone to avoid PCT.
 
manny78 said:
I did Anavar - oxandrolone - only many times in the past. Usually at 40mg/ED for 4-8 weeks. No PCT - post cycle therapy - but that's very personal and I wouldnt go on the soap box and tell everyone to avoid PCT.

understood
 
to clear up a bit.. I am going to be running test/v.ar/H.GH... I already got my cycle mapped out...

My Bud will be on v.ar only. From this thread i think he will be running some H.CG with it. this should be sufficient right? he hates clomid. i have some extra nolva if necessary, so heres what he is thinking:

40mg ED V.AR ---wk1-8
500 iu EW HC.G---wk7-10

please input about the HC.G

thanks guys
 
I have a buddy that's looking at the same cycle (anavar only). He was curious as to when the best time to take it is and should it be after he eats?
 
ego boner said:
to clear up a bit.. I am going to be running test/v.ar/H.gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - ... I already got my cycle mapped out...

My Bud will be on v.ar only. From this thread i think he will be running some H.CG with it. this should be sufficient right? he hates clomid. i have some extra Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - if necessary, so heres what he is thinking:

40mg ED V.AR ---wk1-8
500 iu EW HC.G---wk7-10

please input about the HC.G

thanks guys
hc.g is a little overkill. i noticed a little shrinkage on 80 mg for 10 weeks but nothing to warrant h.c.g. clomid 50 for 3 or 4 weeks should suffice.
 
thunderclap3322 said:
I have a buddy that's looking at the same cycle (anavar only). He was curious as to when the best time to take it is and should it be after he eats?
according to the PDR prescribing info for oxandrolone the half life is 10.5 hours, so twice a day spread out 9 - 10 hours. with or without food.
 
fuck homie you be rollin around the board late-nights huh! ^^^ lol

i hope you are happy i spent my 2000th post on ya
only 2 of those posts were in C&C forum
talk about WOW .
 
holy ghost said:
fuck homie you be rollin around the board late-nights huh! ^^^ lol

i hope you are happy i spent my 2000th post on ya
only 2 of those posts were in C&C forum
talk about WOW .
this is what you get when you are married- late night on the internet lol. i used to be fuckin whore's and slammin cadillac door's on a friday night......now i am a shadow of the man i used to be
:worried:


you only have 2 post in c&c because you are DEDICATED, ghost.
i bet you are jacked to the max! post up some pics.....
 
I was going to run var only as I've had it laying around, but Ihulk talked me out of it and pretty much insisted test go with it. I dunno, I think it's expectations and a persons physical makeup. For me I'll run test with it, but if it's all I had I wouldn't be skerred to go it alone without pct. But that's me.
 
yup nic nac paddywac im still ridin caddilacs

i dont have any pics dog but heres my stats
5"9 215 9-10% bf 20" bis

i have some lagging body parts i need to work on
my cycles got me putting muscle on QUICK
 
holy ghost said:
yup nic nac paddywac im still ridin caddilacs

i dont have any pics dog but heres my stats
5"9 215 9-10% bf 20" bis

i have some lagging body parts i need to work on
my cycles got me putting muscle on QUICK
those is some big guns...impressive stats. are you low or high volume guy? everything to failure or no? what is your prevalent training style?
 
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