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when you take your post-shot shake of carbs, do you mix it with nonfat milk or water? will nonfat milk be o.k.
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damn, 100gm of dextrose, 10gm of creatine, 10gm of glutamine, 50gm of whey in water......gross but I guess I gotta do what I gotta do especially with slin.
Rémy!
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I don't see how the milk mentioned slows down digestion. It’s usually the fat that is responsible for that, so no-fat milk = no prolonged digestion. If its the casein your referring too, remember that the milk just adds some slow digesting proteins, it doesn't make all digestive protein absorb at a slower rate. The casein compounds on itself when it hits the HCl of your stomach and time releases. Any other protein eaten would be processed individually. I always use water with slin anyway, just easier that way - plus 100g of dextrose in milk doesn't have a nice taste. Keep a roll of Glucose tabs (like $2) on you incase of a hypo episode - I have one roll in my gym bag and a couple in my car.
SOLID said:
oh shit, how's that GH/EQ cycle going, how far into it are you? Intrested.
I started a fina @110/eod, eq @ 400/wk stack. At wk 4 I had blown up a sick amount (20#). I did not want to get that big. I was bloated and unhappy. I am an athlete and it was not working for me. I dropped the fina and subed gh. I am now in week 9 and loving it. I am strong as fuck and ripped. I have tested as low as 6.25% in the past. I would guess that right now I am between 7-8% @ 198-200#. So I am up about 13 # and I dumped a little bf as well. I am going to end the eq next wk and stay on the gh for at least another 2 months.
Not related to slin but...
Why are there people out there that continue to believe that supplementary glutamine will have any effect wahtsoever on protein synthesis and cell volume? There has never ever been one single study to demonstrate measurable results from anyone other then bed-ridden, post-traumatic, seriously ill folks.
Why are there people out there that continue to believe that supplementary glutamine will have any effect wahtsoever on protein synthesis and cell volume? There has never ever been one single study to demonstrate measurable results from anyone other then bed-ridden, post-traumatic, seriously ill folks.
ok so basickly dextrose, malto, ultra fuel are the most popular carb drinks right after a slin injection. what r your guys thought's on a good ole can of coke??? if useing arround 4-6ius. and not just the coke,cause u need 10carbs per iu, so we will fill the rest in with something.
lawnsaver
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Re: Not related to slin but...
Here is a thread created by Huck. But in my opinion, I feel less sore, I recover faster, and dont get sick as much when I use glutamine. Also, when training glutamine is used up first, and is used when other aminos arent available. Supplementing with glutamine can only help. It is amazing when used with slin. I feel a huge difference when I take slin with glutamine and creatine. If I dont add those two, I dont get as much out of my slin.
Hucks Post.
Why Glutamine should be a part of every BB'S arsenal...
The term 'bodybuilding' is somewhat of a misnomer.Although that is the end result we are striving to achieve,for the most part what we,as athletes are doing is 'bodytearingdown'.Weight training itself is a catabolic process in a direct sense,as we are tearing down muscle fibers,and putting our nervous system and immune system under tremendous stress.Proper nutritional feeding mechanisms following these traumatic events is CRUCIAL to our success in undoing the damage and forwarding our systems into adaptation.One key element in forwarding these adaptative processes is an often overlooked and underappreciated non-essential(although it should be classified as essential to athletes,lol)amino acid-GLUTAMINE.What makes glutamine so important to us as bodybuilders?Well,just off the top of my head I will list several actions of glutamine that will have direct impact on your bodybuilding progress/recovery/overall health.Here's some of this powerful macronutrients influences in the human body:
*Increases T-Lymphocyte cell(immune-system boosting)cell proliferation...
*Augments the bacterial-killing functions(known as phagocytosis) of neutrophins,also known as leukocytes,which have a voracious appetite for microbial bacteria...
*Enhances liver GLUTATHIONE(which is a very potent anti-oxidant)stores and lowers hepatic(liver)enzyme elevations(which will obviously be of tremendous benefit to all oral 17aa consumers)...
*Promotes glycogen synthesis and storage within the muscle cell.
*Stimulates protein synthesis/inhibits protein degradation...
*Acts as a muscle cell volumizer(increases fluid/macronutrient capacity within the cell)...
Outside of Creatine Monohydrate,this nutrient should be second of importance on the 'to-purchase' list for physical augmentation.It does not give the dramatic,instant-gratification effects like creatine,but as you can see,it's overall mechanisms toward improving health/recovery/cell processes vital to bodybuiling are far reaching...I would recommend the peptide forms over the L forms as they are pre-digested,and pass the intestinal wall into the blood stream much more efficiently.
icelandic said:
Here is a thread created by Huck. But in my opinion, I feel less sore, I recover faster, and dont get sick as much when I use glutamine. Also, when training glutamine is used up first, and is used when other aminos arent available. Supplementing with glutamine can only help. It is amazing when used with slin. I feel a huge difference when I take slin with glutamine and creatine. If I dont add those two, I dont get as much out of my slin.
Hucks Post.
Why Glutamine should be a part of every BB'S arsenal...
The term 'bodybuilding' is somewhat of a misnomer.Although that is the end result we are striving to achieve,for the most part what we,as athletes are doing is 'bodytearingdown'.Weight training itself is a catabolic process in a direct sense,as we are tearing down muscle fibers,and putting our nervous system and immune system under tremendous stress.Proper nutritional feeding mechanisms following these traumatic events is CRUCIAL to our success in undoing the damage and forwarding our systems into adaptation.One key element in forwarding these adaptative processes is an often overlooked and underappreciated non-essential(although it should be classified as essential to athletes,lol)amino acid-GLUTAMINE.What makes glutamine so important to us as bodybuilders?Well,just off the top of my head I will list several actions of glutamine that will have direct impact on your bodybuilding progress/recovery/overall health.Here's some of this powerful macronutrients influences in the human body:
*Increases T-Lymphocyte cell(immune-system boosting)cell proliferation...
*Augments the bacterial-killing functions(known as phagocytosis) of neutrophins,also known as leukocytes,which have a voracious appetite for microbial bacteria...
*Enhances liver GLUTATHIONE(which is a very potent anti-oxidant)stores and lowers hepatic(liver)enzyme elevations(which will obviously be of tremendous benefit to all oral 17aa consumers)...
*Promotes glycogen synthesis and storage within the muscle cell.
*Stimulates protein synthesis/inhibits protein degradation...
*Acts as a muscle cell volumizer(increases fluid/macronutrient capacity within the cell)...
Outside of Creatine Monohydrate,this nutrient should be second of importance on the 'to-purchase' list for physical augmentation.It does not give the dramatic,instant-gratification effects like creatine,but as you can see,it's overall mechanisms toward improving health/recovery/cell processes vital to bodybuiling are far reaching...I would recommend the peptide forms over the L forms as they are pre-digested,and pass the intestinal wall into the blood stream much more efficiently.
I am sooo glad this got replies. I was thinking about this thread today, but didn't take the time to do a search for it.
I have been taking Skim Milk w/ an MRP after my Insulin shot. Immediately with the Slin, I've been drinking a glass of grape juice, followed by the MRP a few minutes later.
I believe milk is something like 80% water anyway, right? I don't see how skim milk is so much more slow to be digested and get the nutrients passing on their way?
Maybe I'm over-do'ing it on my carbs post-insulin, but I get about 60 grams from my grape juice then the sugars in the milk and MRP combine to be about another 20.
I've felt no hypo symptoms, either, thus far and I'm already feeling "fuller" only 5 days in.
I have been taking Skim Milk w/ an MRP after my Insulin shot. Immediately with the Slin, I've been drinking a glass of grape juice, followed by the MRP a few minutes later.
I believe milk is something like 80% water anyway, right? I don't see how skim milk is so much more slow to be digested and get the nutrients passing on their way?
Maybe I'm over-do'ing it on my carbs post-insulin, but I get about 60 grams from my grape juice then the sugars in the milk and MRP combine to be about another 20.
I've felt no hypo symptoms, either, thus far and I'm already feeling "fuller" only 5 days in.
Yes but all of the wonderful anti-catabolic and imuno-inhancing properties of glutamine have never been demonstrated in healthy weight training athletes. These benefits are only seen in bed-ridden seriously ill folks. Remember couple years ago the "study" which showed an enormous increase in plasma GH levels after ingesting a soft-drink with 5or so grams of glutamine in it? It was a complete fraud, funded by a supplement company (can't remember which one).
The only proven effect of glutamine administration post-cycle is one thing: the typical post-workout decrease in plasma glutamine levels is much less severe. Does this have any tangible benefit to the athlete? Not one single study has yet to conclude one.
The only proven effect of glutamine administration post-cycle is one thing: the typical post-workout decrease in plasma glutamine levels is much less severe. Does this have any tangible benefit to the athlete? Not one single study has yet to conclude one.
lawnsaver
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icelandic said:
Ice, I think you are a very intellegent person! BUT, I think you put way to much weight on scientific studies. As I stated, I feel the difference when I use glutamine. Maybe its a plecebo effect, who knows. I like it as well as many others. As for anti-catabolic and imuno-enhancing properties in healthy weight training athletes...I feel those effects! I dont get as sore when I'm on it, I dont get sick when I'm on it, and I just feel better.
I'm not saying that everyone should run out and buy glutamine because I like it, but in retrospect, you shouldnt tell everyone its a waste because you can not find an abstract that proves you should buy it!
CanadianBro
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With the athletes I have consulted, I personally have not recommended that nutritional supplements, like glutamine or creatine, should be taken.
I guess I'm from the old school when these supplements were not available. I feel the positive effects of these particular products have been blown out of proportion by the parent companies as well as the media.
The results, both scientifc and real-world, have been incinsistent and inconclusive to say the least.
Some swear that these products have improved their abilities and results however where these athletes taking anabolics at the same time? Did their training patterns and intensity increase? Did their caloric intake increase? There may have been other chages that caused the results.
I have always recommended an athlete is better off consuming ONE extra meal per day rather than spending their time and money on these nutritional supplements.
There are three major factors that will increase physical results in an athlete:
1. Nutrition
2. Training style and intensity
3. Anabolic Steroids
Everything else shares such a small piece of the pie that it is really not even worth mentioning.
With that being said, I will never deter people from taking these products as long as they remain intelligent and safe in their usage.
I guess I'm from the old school when these supplements were not available. I feel the positive effects of these particular products have been blown out of proportion by the parent companies as well as the media.
The results, both scientifc and real-world, have been incinsistent and inconclusive to say the least.
Some swear that these products have improved their abilities and results however where these athletes taking anabolics at the same time? Did their training patterns and intensity increase? Did their caloric intake increase? There may have been other chages that caused the results.
I have always recommended an athlete is better off consuming ONE extra meal per day rather than spending their time and money on these nutritional supplements.
There are three major factors that will increase physical results in an athlete:
1. Nutrition
2. Training style and intensity
3. Anabolic Steroids
Everything else shares such a small piece of the pie that it is really not even worth mentioning.
With that being said, I will never deter people from taking these products as long as they remain intelligent and safe in their usage.
Hard Gainer Blast
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Would you continue to take creatine and protien during a d bol or deca cycle as you would with out the AS?
SOLID said:
Axe, any side effects from your cycle? How many iu's of GH are you doing a day? And what kind are you using? Are you getting really vascular? Tell me more...
As far as side effects: When I dumped the fina I got rid of all of the side effects that I found disturbing. Right now I have some of those tiny zits on my arms but I must say I think the gh has helped on them (I may be imagining things though). I do have problems with carpel tunnel some times. At night both of my forearms frequently fall asleep. I am running sero holo kits @ 3.6 iu/day 5 on 2 off (I go through 1 18 iu vail per wk). I have spiderwebs in my shoulders as well as nice striations, my forearms look like roadmaps, and I have a nice set of abs
here is my 2 cents.
About the milk.....I use slin 10 iu and use Cell tech with 50 g whey immediately after the shot and workout and then use skim milk with met rx. Sometimes I use just 50 g whey and skim. But the first meal is with water primarily because the milk is sludge with cell tech.
As for Glutamine. There is plenty in the whey/MRP. I dont use any extra and agree with icelandic.....studies show its effect on ill folks not healty ones. However the power of the mind is a wonderful stimulator. If you believe it helps go for it.
About the milk.....I use slin 10 iu and use Cell tech with 50 g whey immediately after the shot and workout and then use skim milk with met rx. Sometimes I use just 50 g whey and skim. But the first meal is with water primarily because the milk is sludge with cell tech.
As for Glutamine. There is plenty in the whey/MRP. I dont use any extra and agree with icelandic.....studies show its effect on ill folks not healty ones. However the power of the mind is a wonderful stimulator. If you believe it helps go for it.
