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Do you ever have a targeted number of reps for a set and just not do the last three or two for some reason? Then 10 seconds later you're like 'Why the hell didn't I finish it off?!'. Happens to me sometimes, gets annoying, don't know why I do it. I can easily finish the set I just don't for some reason.
 
No

The only reason I won't make the last few reps is because of failure.
 
eat big said:
I don't know why I do it. Must be fatigued and not realize it. You juiceheads kill me!
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Well if its Fatigue then you will realize it because it won't you not WANTING or Chosing not to do them.. You Won't be able to do it.

When I do my strength training and i actually get that last planned rep on my last set then its time to up the weights. ;)
 
Yeah I think it all plays a role in my current mental state. Some days I destroy it some days I fall short. I don't understand it. Diet remains the same too. Chances are it's stress from school.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
sounds like trying too hard to do high rep sets of an intermediate weight, to me

just jack up the weight and then doing 6 reps makes you a hero instead :)
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What in the world are you doing on a thread that actually involves training?

Get back to your smith machine sweetie, oh and if you don't go lean up against that rack'o'weights right by the mirror I'm sure it will come tumbling down. Know your role ;)
 
Frisky said:
What in the world are you doing on a thread that actually involves training?
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listen up toots - i know that most of my physical splendour comes as a gift from above, but im sure that a guy as disciplined in the arts of loooove as i am, can apply some of those principles to transform a weak pile of gym bubblegum into a sleek pile of sexual muscle...just like me :p

Frisky said:
Get back to your smith machine sweetie, oh and if you don't go lean up against that rack'o'weights right by the mirror I'm sure it will come tumbling down. Know your role ;)
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i know my role as well as you know your roll, chickie. but youre right. some serious posing is in order...and im in the mood to invent some new poses ;)
 
GoldenDelicious said:
listen up toots - i know that most of my physical splendour comes as a gift from above, but im sure that a guy as disciplined in the arts of loooove as i am, can apply some of those principles to transform a weak pile of gym bubblegum into a sleek pile of sexual muscle...just like me :p

i know my role as well as you know your roll, chickie. but youre right. some serious posing is in order...and im in the mood to invent some new poses ;)
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:heart:

I love your man tits
 
GoldenDelicious said:
so what makes you special? git in line ;)
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My mirror told me so
 
Frisky said:
My mirror told me so
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yah well thats nice...by the way, dont go asking your mirror any silly questions like "who is the sexiest of them all"...we all know how badly you take dissappointment ;)

...anyway, how is it your master lets you onto the computer so much? tsk tsk tsk... just asking for trouble, imo
 
Deterass said:
For my last set i rep until failure and so should you.
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Uhh well if you're on AS and I'm not then I should do much less volume. I do a lot of volume anyways. I do over 5 exercises per muscle group. Just did back the other day, went like this:

Weighted Chins 5x5
WG Pulldown 3x12
NG pulldown 3x12
Barbell Row 5x12
T Bar Row 3x12
DB Row 4x12
Pullovers 3x12
Preacher Curls 4x12
Rev Curls 3x12
Abs

That is my routine, no joke. It's a lot for most people but not for me. I require much volume to grow. Not even feeling tight or sore today. Not on AS. So that could be why I miss a rep once in a while.
 
i have a set number i have to complete.. if don't.. i feel like i have failed myself...

sometimes it's hard but i do it :evil:
 
Yes and No.

If I set a target of 8 reps for that set, 8 reps is what I am going to get. Of course there are times when you - for whatever reason - are stronger mentally/physically and can get more. But I don't. Rather when I get to rep 6 of that set I will know whether or not I can keep going past rep 8. If I can then instead of doing it, I simply make the last two reps harder for me. I will slow the rep speed down to where I am utilizing as much muscle strength lowering the weight as I do in pressing it. The extension will require as much effort as the contraction.

On the other hand if I get to rep 6 and realize that I may not make it to rep 8, I will increase my rep speed and utilize a more explosive/momentum style to ensure that rep 8 is reach by any means necessary.
 
i'm very goal orientated.. i have to finish what i start when it comes to training.. sometimes it kills myself
 
I've been in lazy mode before, but I get out of it by the next workout. All it takes is for me to get home from the gym, pick out what i want more developed in the mirror and tell myself that I pussed out today. I'm stronger than ever in the gym the next day.

I think it's all mental... well, for me I know it is.

Whiskey
 
eat big said:
Are you talking about failure on the last rep of each set or last rep of last set?
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I wouldn't train to failure for each set, but I do train to failure for my last set.
 
Frisky said:
I wouldn't train to failure for each set, but I do train to failure for my last set.
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Yeah, I wouldn't either. I don't even do that on some of the last sets either. I was just wondering if Deterass trained to failure on every set and if he's on AS.
 
eat big said:
Yeah, I wouldn't either. I don't even do that on some of the last sets either. I was just wondering if Deterass trained to failure on every set and if he's on AS.
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If you never train to failure esp traing for strength then how do you ever know what failure is?

Everyone has their theory, just do what works for you. Trial and error. ;)
 
Frisky said:
If you never train to failure esp traing for strength then how do you ever know what failure is?

Everyone has their theory, just do what works for you. Trial and error. ;)
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Failing b/c you're attempting a PR is one thing; hitting failure on nearly every set performed is quite another.
 
Frisky said:
If you never train to failure esp traing for strength then how do you ever know what failure is?

Everyone has their theory, just do what works for you. Trial and error. ;)
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Oh I have found what works for me. High volume, moderately heavy weight. Few of my sets every day are to failure.


I want to become a jacked monster and am tempted to take AS.
 
Guinness5.0 said:
Failing b/c you're attempting a PR is one thing; hitting failure on nearly every set performed is quite another.
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I train one bp a week, so every session I want a pr, of course I don't get it but i attempt it.

It works for me, and thats all that matters. I added 10lbs of LBM last year training this way. For me it works. I don't expect it to work for everyone. Of course not. But IMO to discredit one way of training because someone finds a fault in their studies is assine. I have found many of faults in training, and diets but never discredit the source because it worked for them.

We are all individuals made up of differnt muscle fibers and structures and we all need different training. To tell someone that training one partiular way is wrong or isn't good is just bull, everyone needs to find out on their own what works for them.
 
Frisky said:
We are all individuals made up of differnt muscle fibers and structures and we all need different training. To tell someone that training one partiular way is wrong or isn't good is just bull, everyone needs to find out on their own what works for them.
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I agree with this to a point, but some things are common among all people. We all have a nervous system that controls our movements, and hitting failure on an exercise fatigues the CNS to a much greater degree than a set that approaches failure. This effect becomes mcuh more pronounced in movements such as deadlifts, squats, etc. which require the coordination of many muscle groups. The CNS recovers much more slowly than muscles. CNS and muscle recovery will vary from person to person (and tolerances change througout the course of a trainee's journey with the iron) but it's safe to say that fatiguing the CNS with lots of sets to failure will yield muscles that are ready to work before the CNS is fully ready to work them.

You can perform a MUCH higher total workload (total weight moved during a training session) and recover from it by "flirting" with failure for multiple sets rather than burn your CNS out with failure while performing less work. A somewhat common approach to "dodging" frequent failure is to gradually load the body over a period of weeks w/ steady volume but ramping intensity (intensity being defined as a % of a 1rm - not perceived effort) and then allow for a period of recovery so that the systemic fatigue accrued over those weeks can dissipate. I tried this approach and beat PRs that I had achieved while on tren and test 5 months earlier using a 1 bodypart/week routine. It's not to say that I never hit failure (if you're going for PRs you're gonna fail at times :)) but hitting failure intentionally and frequently is not productive as a methodology.

A solid, intermediate/advanced program has to take intensity, frequency and volume into account and manage each in relation to the others. It's very difficult to train to failure with any sort of volume/frequency and allow for the respective recovery periods of the muscles and CNS to intersect.

Please don't misinterpret my posts as argumentative or insulting. I reread what I typed and I should've chosen a more tactful approach than calling training to failure "miserable". Hopefully that didn't ruin a good discussion.
 
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I've not "trained to failure" at all this year and I'm having one of my best years ever. I've missed an odd rep here and there but I've not started any sets this year with the intention of repping until failure. When I start a set I usually know how many reps I intend to do. Occasionally, I'll do a back-off set and stop with one or two left in the tank.

I can understand that some might think this inefficient but then I doubt that many would consider squatting or deadlifting 3x per week a good plan either. :)

Eat big: if you want to be a "jacked mofo", you'll almost certainly need the sauce. If you just want to be a strong mofo you don't need it. A good strength program comes first.
 
blut wump said:
Eat big: if you want to be a "jacked mofo", you'll almost certainly need the sauce. If you just want to be a strong mofo you don't need it. A good strength program comes first.
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I don't juice and I look ok.

I'm not huge by any means, but it's still possible to look decent without gear.
 
Guinness5.0 said:
Dude you look like a career juicehead :). Very impressive.
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lol @ career juicehead
 
eat big said:
Do you ever have a targeted number of reps for a set and just not do the last three or two for some reason? Then 10 seconds later you're like 'Why the hell didn't I finish it off?!'. Happens to me sometimes, gets annoying, don't know why I do it. I can easily finish the set I just don't for some reason.
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yeah all th etime
 
*MissFit* said:
i'm very goal orientated.. i have to finish what i start when it comes to training.. sometimes it kills myself
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girls dont count since you guys dont do REAL weight training.
 
SublimeZM said:
girls dont count since you guys dont do REAL weight training.
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Come over here let me smack you upside your head boy :chomp:
 
eat big said:
Do you ever have a targeted number of reps for a set and just not do the last three or two for some reason? Then 10 seconds later you're like 'Why the hell didn't I finish it off?!'. Happens to me sometimes, gets annoying, don't know why I do it. I can easily finish the set I just don't for some reason.
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Called being a lazy tool ^^^
 
c-sharp minor said:
I don't juice and I look ok.

I'm not huge by any means, but it's still possible to look decent without gear.
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u didnt juice for ur avatar pic? holy shit hook me up with some training advice
 
SublimeZM said:
u didnt juice for ur avatar pic? holy shit hook me up with some training advice
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Furry db's don't work. And you have to actually pick the weight up leaning on it doesn't count.

Let me know how that works for you.
 
The Shadow said:
Called being a lazy tool ^^^
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Believe me one thing I'm not is lazy. It's just that my routines are quite hard and I don't get some reps sometimes. I honestly think it's my routine being so much harder than everyone elses. And, I'm not on the sauce, boss.
 
Frisky said:
Furry db's don't work. And you have to actually pick the weight up leaning on it doesn't count.

Let me know how that works for you.
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if it can get me girls like the one in ur avatar then ill be all over it
 
eat big said:
Believe me one thing I'm not is lazy. It's just that my routines are quite hard and I don't get some reps sometimes. I honestly think it's my routine being so much harder than everyone elses. And, I'm not on the sauce, boss.
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why do u make shit so hard on urself, as a natty getting big isnt about doing crazy superhero shit at the gym, but more gradual and progressive increases as your lifting career goes on, and your body adapting to that load. gains are more over a period of time than a one day balls to the walls fest

at least thats what iv been reading from alot of the madcow type peeps.

i keep my shit simple and i grow as well/better than i did when i did long torturous endurance sessions
 
SublimeZM said:
why do u make shit so hard on urself, as a natty getting big isnt about doing crazy superhero shit at the gym, but more gradual and progressive increases as your lifting career goes on, and your body adapting to that load. gains are more over a period of time than a one day balls to the walls fest

at least thats what iv been reading from alot of the madcow type peeps.

i keep my shit simple and i grow as well/better than i did when i did long torturous endurance sessions
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well said bro
 
SublimeZM said:
why do u make shit so hard on urself, as a natty getting big isnt about doing crazy superhero shit at the gym, but more gradual and progressive increases as your lifting career goes on, and your body adapting to that load. gains are more over a period of time than a one day balls to the walls fest

at least thats what iv been reading from alot of the madcow type peeps.

i keep my shit simple and i grow as well/better than i did when i did long torturous endurance sessions
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Bang on.

Being natty you really have to be careful about over-taxing you cns on a regular basis. It can quickly lead to burnout with diminished returns.

It's all about persistence, though, that is the bottom line. The specific exercises, weights and reps are not as important as being consistent with your workouts.

Time to hit the gym myself. :)
 
eat big said:
Believe me one thing I'm not is lazy. It's just that my routines are quite hard and I don't get some reps sometimes. I honestly think it's my routine being so much harder than everyone elses. And, I'm not on the sauce, boss.
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If you are stopping when you have 3-4 reps left on a 6-10 rep set.....


What do you call it as opossed to being lazy?
 
Frisky said:
When I do my strength training and i actually get that last planned rep on my last set then its time to up the weights. ;)
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Exactly. I do all my sets & reps except the last set. Then I'm within 1 or 2 reps of my projected goal. When I hit that goal for 2 consecutive workouts, then I up the weight.
I rarely go to failure. I workout alone, so I can't afford to fail on a 250#+ bench. On my 2nd lsat projected rep I evaluate whether I can make one more. Some times it takes monumental effort & sometimes I have to cheat on from a little, but I try not to get to that point.
 
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I know i'm not a big girl.. 120lbs at best but u can't knock size..we still train our asses off.. some..
 
SublimeZM said:
why do u make shit so hard on urself, as a natty getting big isnt about doing crazy superhero shit at the gym, but more gradual and progressive increases as your lifting career goes on, and your body adapting to that load. gains are more over a period of time than a one day balls to the walls fest

at least thats what iv been reading from alot of the madcow type peeps.

i keep my shit simple and i grow as well/better than i did when i did long torturous endurance sessions
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I don't try to do superhero shit. I move up the weight about once every 2 or 3 weeks. And I know gains are over a period of time. That's why I don't get on the scale everyday. It is the devil. I usually get on about once every two weeks and usually find that I've gained or remained the same.

I've been lifting since I was 16. Then I weighed 135. Now I'm almost 230. Sure I'm bulking and my BF is somewhat high. I do know gains are gradual. But for me to even make gradual gains I have to do a lot of work. From the figures I just posted it may seem as though I'm an easy gainer, but the fact is that I've worked so hard on it. I never miss a workout, except when taking time of.
 
The Shadow said:
If you are stopping when you have 3-4 reps left on a 6-10 rep set.....


What do you call it as opossed to being lazy?
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Well see the reason I made this thread was because I was frustrated from my workouts. Today for example, I did chest, got all of my reps.

When I made this thread I had just done leg day and had puked after my third set of squats. I didn't get the last rep on sets 4 and 5. The most I will ever cut short is 1 maybe 2 reps in HIGH rep sets. Not low. I will usually only miss a rep or two about once or twice a week. :evil:
 
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