For those that bash the ACLU

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

A lot of people on this board like to bash the ACLU for fighting for NAMBLA ,however you should check out some of the other things they do like this:

WEST PALM BEACH—The American Civil Liberties Union today announced an unprecedented settlement in a racial profiling lawsuit against the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) that will—for the first time ever—require an agency within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to substantially alter its policies and training procedures.


Under an ACLU settlement, TSA Head Admiral James Loy will apologize to Dr. Bob Rajcoomar, who was detained for hours because federal air marshals did not "like the way he looked."
“Today’s settlement agreement is important because it has forced the TSA to take steps that should prevent air marshals from subjecting passengers to arrests solely because of race or ethnicity,” said Stefan Presser, Legal Director of ACLU of Pennsylvania, who served as lead counsel in the lawsuit.
The changes came in response to a lawsuit filed by the ACLU on behalf of Bob Rajcoomar, a Lake Worth doctor who was detained for hours by federal air marshals because they did not “like the way he looked.”

In an order issued on July 29, 2003, Judge John P. Fullam outlined the three-part settlement in which the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and its TSA agreed to revise internal policies and training procedures to ensure there would be no repetition of the incident involving Dr. Rajcoomar.

The settlement includes substantial undisclosed compensation to Dr. Rajcoomar and his wife Dorothy, and requires a written apology to Dr. Rajcoomar from Admiral James M. Loy, first Administrator for the TSA.

Last August, Dr. Rajcoomar became a victim of racial profiling after a flight on which air marshals subdued an unruly passenger and held other passengers at gunpoint for 30 minutes. Following the incident, Dr. Rajcoomar was arrested and detained for four hours after his plane landed at Philadelphia International Airport.
“The settlement reached in the Rajcoomar case reinforces the principle that no agency of the government is above the law,” said Howard Simon, Executive Director of the ACLU of Florida. “Even the actions of officials of Homeland Security are subject to the United States Constitution and to the review of an independent federal judiciary.”

The initial complaint in this case was filed by the ACLU on April 14, 2003 in United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania after the TSA failed to respond to an ACLU letter demanding an investigation into the reckless actions of air marshals.

Dr. Rajcoomar’s disturbing ordeal began shortly after take off during a flight from Atlanta to Philadelphia on August 31, 2002, when U.S. Air Marshals were called to subdue an apparently disoriented man seated in the coach section. The air marshals rushed at the unstable individual, handcuffed him, and then dragged him to the first-class section, where they placed him in the seat next to Dr. Rajcoomar, a U.S. citizen and Lt. Colonel in the United States Army Reserve and is of Indian descent. Dr. Rajcoomar asked to have his seat changed and the flight attendant obliged. For the remainder of the flight, air marshals held passengers at gunpoint and refused to allow anyone to get up, even to use the bathroom, despite the fact that the disoriented passenger had been shackled to his seat.
The nightmare continued for Dr. Rajcoomar even after the flight landed. Air marshals handcuffed Dr. Rajcoomar without explanation and took him into the custody of Philadelphia police. His wife Dorothy, who was also on the flight, was given no information on what had happened to her husband. Because the authorities confiscated Dr. Rajcoomar's cellular phone, she had no way to contact him.

After four tense hours in detention, Dr. Rajcoomar was released. TSA personnel told him that he had been detained because air marshals on board the flight did not “like the way he looked.” The agency’s official explanation for Dr. Rajcoomar’s treatment is that while on board, Dr. Rajcoomar had been observing the actions of the air marshals “too closely.”

The entire situation for Dr. Rajcoomar was enormously demoralizing, physically abusive and took a psychological toll, the ACLU said. “This was racial profiling at its worst,” Presser added. “There is absolutely no legal or factual justification for why the air marshals treated Dr. Rajcoomar the way they did.”
In addition to Presser, the other attorneys litigating this case are: Jim Green, an attorney with the ACLU of Florida, Randall Marshall, Legal Director of the ACLU of Florida, Seth Kreimer of Philadelphia, and Reginald Shuford of the national ACLU in New York.

The initial complaint in this case is available online at: http://www.aclufl.org/rajcoomarcomplaint.html

 

[p0ink]

so they can go after the real terrorists, right? they can start strip searching old ladies, making children take off their shoes, having the disabled have their luggage rummaged through, because we all know that's the makeup of terrorists, not muslim men from the middle east age 17-40, right?

 

[p0ink]

wait was the point of your post to show how the ACLU made america a more dangerous place?

 

[bwood]

Anarchist Roger Baldwin founded the ACLU in 1919, after his release from prison where he served a sentence for draft evasion, at a party attended by Socialist Party notable Norman Thomas, future Communist Party chairman Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, and Soviet agent Agnes Smedley. In 1920, Rev. Harry Ward, the Red Dean of the Union Theological Seminary was Chairman, Baldwin was director, and Communist publisher Louis Budenz, who would later go on to testify against Communism, director of publicity. Other Communist and radical founders included William Z. Foster, author of "Toward Soviet America", Harold J. Laski, Morris Hilquit, A.J.Muste, Scott Nearing, Eugene V. Debs, and John Dewey. The 1930's membership would include such radicals and change agents as Vito Marcantonio, Haywood Broun, Corliss Lamont, and Bishop G. Bromley Oxnan. The 1940's roll would include George S. Counts, Norman Cousins, Melvyn Douglas, Robert M. Hutchins, and Freda Kirchwey. Most prominent American luminaries of the left were, and are, members of the ACLU.

On January 17, 1931, the Special House (of Representatives) Committee to Investigate Communist Activities in the United States issued a report which stated the following:

"The American Civil Liberties Union is closely affiliated with the communist movement in the United States, and fully 90% of its efforts are on behalf of Communists who have come into conflict with the law. It claims to stand for free speech, free press, and free assembly; but it is quite apparent that the main function of the ACLU is to attempt to protect the communists in their advocacy of force and violence to overthrow the Government, replacing the American flag with a red flag and erecting a Soviet Government in place of the republican form of government guaranteed to each State by the Federal Constitution, Roger N. Baldwin, its guiding spirit, makes no attempt to hide his friendship for the communists and their principles."

In 1935, Baldwin wrote the following in his college yearbook:

"I have been to Europe several times, mostly in connection with international radical activities and have traveled in the United States to areas of conflict over workers rights to strike and organize. My chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment . Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."


has this noble instituiton strayed far from its founder's goals???

 

[bwood]

surely the organization is no longer commie friendly??? right???

ACLU Challenges McCarthy-Era
Anti-Communist Propaganda Law
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, December 15, 1999

NEW ORLEANS, LA -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana today filed a federal lawsuit challenging a remnant of the McCarthy era witchhunts that makes possession of so-called "communist propaganda" a felony punishable with up to six years in jail and a $10,000 fine.

The ACLU lawsuit was filed on behalf of three plaintiffs, including John Kramer, former dean of Tulane Law School; Al Shapiro, a private attorney in Baton Rouge, and Mike Howells, publisher and distributor of a newsletter called "The Bayou Worker," which contains material on alternatives to capitalism that would be covered under the law.

The lawsuit cites illegal censorship of free speech and free press rights and discrimination against the plaintiffs because of political ideas.

"The ACLU believes in the freedom of thought, inquiry or advocacy by any individual or group regarding a specific economic, social or political philosophy," said Joe Cook, Executive Director of the ACLU of Louisiana. "That position, grounded solely on the nation's tradition of free speech, means no governmental restriction unless there exists a clear and present danger of illegal action.

"The Constitution's high free speech threshold means not mere advocacy, but also includes actual intent, effect and circumstances of the conduct in question," Cook continued. "Since Governor Foster evidently supports David Duke's right to spout racist and anti-Semitic propaganda, he should at least agree with the ACLU's position on overturning this law."

The lawsuit said the law fails muster under both the United States and Louisiana constitutions. Individuals or institutions granted exceptions to receive the "propaganda" -- "... students of foreign languages, foreign affairs, or foreign political systems, other interested individuals, and ... accredited educational institutions ..." -- have no way of knowing what materials might qualify as "communist propaganda," the lawsuit says.

The ACLU further argues that such materials are readily available on the Internet to anyone with a computer and a connection. Such material cannot be labeled with the words "Communist Propaganda" on the front and back cover in red ink as required by the law. The lawsuit says that the vagueness of the statute leaves the plaintiffs in the dark as to whether they may lawfully obtain and distribute such material received over the Internet.

ACLU Foundation of Louisiana Cooperating attorney Marjorie Esman represents the plaintiffs.

 

[2Thick]

If it were not for the ACLU, you people would not be espousing your conservative opinions on the Internet.

 

[bwood]

Houston Bible Display Under Attack From ACLU
Monday, June 09, 2003

By Sam Kastensmidt

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has requested that a Bible be removed from a granite memorial that sits in front of the Harris County Courthouse. This memorial was constructed in 1956 to honor William S. Mosher, the local owner of Mosher Steel Co., who dedicated much of his life to helping the poor. Since the memorial was initially donated, the Star of Hope Mission has maintained it. It has never required taxpayer assistance. Regardless, the ACLU has promised a lawsuit, if the Bible is not removed from the front of the courthouse. County Judge Robert Eckels replied, “I will examine their request, but I do not believe it is an inappropriate violation of the separation of church and state or sponsorship of a religious activity.”

ACLU attorney Randall Kallinen disagrees, “It’s really the promotion of religion by the government… what about all the other religions who see that Bible? Does that mean they’re not welcome or their religion is not respected?” The ACLU attempts to portray itself as a heroic organization that champions the rights of the oppressed. They have taken the stance that this Bible may be offensive to someone, so the ACLU has rushed to the defense of an atheist.

This is not the first time this particular memorial has been attacked by anti-Christian lobbyists. In 1988, the memorial stood firm against a very aggressive barrage of litigation filed on behalf of the “American Gay Atheists.” When the county showed its resistance, American Gay Atheist leader Donald Sanders broke the memorial’s glass, removed the Bible, and replaced it with a pornographic gay magazine.

Christianity within America has become a target for these reckless groups. That has not always been the case. Only six years prior to the memorial’s construction, President Harry Truman delivered a speech in the Department of Justice Auditorium at the Attorney General’s Conference. His audience included the Department of Justice, the National Association of Attorneys, the United States Conference of Lawyers, and the National Institute of Municipal Law Officers. Our thirty-third president said, “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don’t think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don’t have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government, which does not believe in the rights for anybody except the State!”

“As Harry Truman said, this nation’s laws were founded upon biblical laws and teachings. This is why these organizations target the Church,” says Dr. D. James Kennedy, founder of the CENTER FOR RECLAIMING AMERICA, “If they can discredit the foundation of our laws, they can essentially redefine right and wrong within the American judicial system.”

If law and morality become “relative” terms, then there is no absolute authority of right and wrong.
· Some will find it acceptable to throw our babies into dumpsters.
· Some will find it acceptable to allow homosexual marriage.
· Some will find it acceptable to commit suicide with the assistance of a doctor.
· Some may see nothing wrong with prostitution.
· Some may see nothing wrong with legalizing all types of drugs.
· Others might not think the government has the right to limit where lewd conduct can occur.
· Some may believe that child pornography is a form of free speech or free expression.

The ACLU supports all of these stances. They believe that morality is relative for each individual person. Our Founders understood that only one absolute existed in life: Almighty God. If we cast out our only firm foundation, the relationship between morality and law will then only be in the eye of the beholder.

Dr. Kennedy offered this assurance, “I will guarantee you that if Benjamin Franklin had risen at the Constitutional Convention and said, ‘I envision a nation where a woman has the liberty to murder her unborn child, men proudly lust after other men, prostitutes line the streets, magazine covers feature naked children, children cannot pray in school, and where there is no acknowledgement of God on public soil whatsoever,’ he would have been removed from the delegation. Yet, the ACLU makes the case that our Founders actually envisioned this future society.”

 

[The_Eviscerator]

so they can go after the real terrorists, right? they can start strip searching old ladies, making children take off their shoes, having the disabled have their luggage rummaged through, because we all know that's the makeup of terrorists, not muslim men from the middle east age 17-40, right?

Oh so true... we can't use common sense and focus on the actual people who fit the description of a terrorist... we have to harrass everyone. And before someone says... "but you aren't an Arab and you don't have to deal with it..." Bullshit! I have dark hair, dark eyes and although I clearly have European features... to the stupid security people at airports I must look Arab. I really don't care that they make me take my fucking shoes off everytime and search the piss out of me... I wouldn't want a 225 pound 9%BF terrorist with a deadly pair of toenail clippers on my plane either.

My friend from Israel say that American airport security is a joke... he says "In Israel we can look for terrorist while.. while in America you look for weapons."

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Dr. Kennedy offered this assurance, “I will guarantee you that if Benjamin Franklin had risen at the Constitutional Convention and said, ‘I envision a nation where a woman has the liberty to murder her unborn child, men proudly lust after other men, prostitutes line the streets, magazine covers feature naked children, children cannot pray in school, and where there is no acknowledgement of God on public soil whatsoever,’ he would have been removed from the delegation. Yet, the ACLU makes the case that our Founders actually envisioned this future society.” [/B]

I don't know if Dr. Kennedy has read much about Ben Franklin if he stated most of those points.

 

[2Thick]

I don't know if Dr. Kennedy has read much about Ben Franklin if he stated most of those points.

Excellent point. Franklin must be spinning in his grave.

 

[bwood]

ACLU Cheers Over Defeat of Pro-Life, Pro-Family Law
Wednesday, February 26, 2003

By Greg Hoadley

In April 2002, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit struck down a Colorado law requiring that parents be notified when their underage daughters sought an abortion.

According to the ACLU, "The Colorado Parental Notification Act makes it a crime for a physician to perform an abortion for a minor unless the doctor notifies a parent and delays the abortion by at least 48 hours."

"For some strange reason, the ACLU calls this a 'danger,' to young girls," said Dr. D. James Kennedy, founder and president of the CENTER FOR RECLAIMING AMERICA.

"Ask yourself this question," Dr. Kennedy added.
"Who has the best interests of a young girl in mind? Her parents, or an abortionist who stands to gain financially from her decision?"

Kennedy then referenced the case of Eileen Roberts, whose 13-year-old daughter got an abortion without her knowledge. Roberts noticed that her daughter seemed depressed for a few weeks, but attributed it to teenage moodiness. But shortly thereafter, she found out the truth when she saw a questionairre from the abortion clinic under her daughter's pillow.

Once she found out, Roberts rushed her daughter to the hospital. She was later diagnosed with pelvic inflammatory disease, and it cost Roberts and her husband $27,000 in medical bills.

In 1999, Roberts testified before Congress, "I am horrified that our daughters are being dumped on our driveways after they are seized from our care, made to skip school, lie, and deceive their parents to be transported across state lines, whether it be two miles or 100 miles away. Where are these strangers when the emotional and physical repercussions occur? They are driving away to once again seize and transport other teens for secret abortions, and thus the malicious activity occurs again and again. Besides, strangers are not responsible for the financial or emotional costs that occur with secret abortions - parents are."

"It was Mr. and Mrs. Roberts who paid those medical bills," said Dr. Kennedy. "The ACLU didn't have to pay, and neither did the abortionist. Thanks to the persistence of the ACLU, how many more parents will have to suffer what the Roberts' went through with their daughter?"

 

[2Thick]

ACLU Cheers Over Defeat of Pro-Life, Pro-Family Law
Wednesday, February 26, 2003

By Greg Hoadley

In April 2002, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit struck down a Colorado law requiring that parents be notified when their underage daughters sought an abortion.

that is excellent. You do not realize the problems that are caused by such a draconian law.

You did not grow up in a bad family, so you would not understand anything besides the "Leave it to Beaver" family.

 

[p0ink]

that is excellent. You do not realize the problems that are caused by such a draconian law.

You did not grow up in a bad family, so you would not understand anything besides the "Leave it to Beaver" family.

underage girls need a parent to be with them to get their fucking ear pierced, so why shouldnt their parents be notified if they get an abortion.

kids that age arent aware of all of the problems that can happen following an abortion.

 

[gtrcivic]

ACLU is there to help when the govt tries to take all civil liberties from you...They're the only org that will take on govt for you. Most lawyers out there are afraid of the govt, except for the ACLU.

 

[p0ink]

ACLU is there to help when the govt tries to take all civil liberties from you...They're the only org that will take on govt for you. Most lawyers out there are afraid of the govt, except for the ACLU.

heeellllllllll noooooo. there are tons of other organizations that are there to defend CONSTITUTIONAL rights with teams of lawyers, it is just the ACLU that makes all of the headlines because the media has a hard-on for them.

that is a grave miscoception; the aclu is the furthest thing from protecting the ideals this country was founded on.

 

[Y_lifter]

underage girls need a parent to be with them to get their fucking ear pierced, so why shouldnt their parents be notified if they get an abortion.

kids that age arent aware of all of the problems that can happen following an abortion.

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[curling]

that is excellent. You do not realize the problems that are caused by such a draconian law.

You did not grow up in a bad family, so you would not understand anything besides the "Leave it to Beaver" family.

2thick,

Just for one moment get off your liberal horse and imagine that you have a daughter. Would you want her to be able to get her baby torn out of her womb possibly killer her in the process without you(the person that raised her since her birth) notified? Come on answer honestly and if you say you wouldn't care please don't have kids because you would suck at being a parent and they would probably end up shooting my kid at school.

 

[ANDRO ROID RAGER]

2thick,

Just for one moment your liberal horse and imagine that you have a daughter would you want her to be able to get her baby torn out of her womb possibly killer her in the process without you(the person that raised her since her birth) notified? Come on answer honestly and if you say you wouldn't care please don't have kids because you would suck at being a parent and they would probably end up shooting my kid at school.

It beats having you post about how hot your daughter is etc. That's sort of to wierd but then again being part of a space alien cult will do that to ya. Just keep your anal prob out of you kids.

 

[Intact]

A lot of people on this board like to bash the ACLU for fighting for NAMBLA ,however you should check out some of the other things they do like this:

WEST PALM BEACH—The American Civil Liberties Union today announced an unprecedented settlement in a racial profiling lawsuit against the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) that will—for the first time ever—require an agency within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to substantially alter its policies and training procedures.


Under an ACLU settlement, TSA Head Admiral James Loy will apologize to Dr. Bob Rajcoomar, who was detained for hours because federal air marshals did not "like the way he looked."
“Today’s settlement agreement is important because it has forced the TSA to take steps that should prevent air marshals from subjecting passengers to arrests solely because of race or ethnicity,” said Stefan Presser, Legal Director of ACLU of Pennsylvania, who served as lead counsel in the lawsuit.
The changes came in response to a lawsuit filed by the ACLU on behalf of Bob Rajcoomar, a Lake Worth doctor who was detained for hours by federal air marshals because they did not “like the way he looked.”

In an order issued on July 29, 2003, Judge John P. Fullam outlined the three-part settlement in which the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and its TSA agreed to revise internal policies and training procedures to ensure there would be no repetition of the incident involving Dr. Rajcoomar.

The settlement includes substantial undisclosed compensation to Dr. Rajcoomar and his wife Dorothy, and requires a written apology to Dr. Rajcoomar from Admiral James M. Loy, first Administrator for the TSA.

Last August, Dr. Rajcoomar became a victim of racial profiling after a flight on which air marshals subdued an unruly passenger and held other passengers at gunpoint for 30 minutes. Following the incident, Dr. Rajcoomar was arrested and detained for four hours after his plane landed at Philadelphia International Airport.
“The settlement reached in the Rajcoomar case reinforces the principle that no agency of the government is above the law,” said Howard Simon, Executive Director of the ACLU of Florida. “Even the actions of officials of Homeland Security are subject to the United States Constitution and to the review of an independent federal judiciary.”

The initial complaint in this case was filed by the ACLU on April 14, 2003 in United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania after the TSA failed to respond to an ACLU letter demanding an investigation into the reckless actions of air marshals.

Dr. Rajcoomar’s disturbing ordeal began shortly after take off during a flight from Atlanta to Philadelphia on August 31, 2002, when U.S. Air Marshals were called to subdue an apparently disoriented man seated in the coach section. The air marshals rushed at the unstable individual, handcuffed him, and then dragged him to the first-class section, where they placed him in the seat next to Dr. Rajcoomar, a U.S. citizen and Lt. Colonel in the United States Army Reserve and is of Indian descent. Dr. Rajcoomar asked to have his seat changed and the flight attendant obliged. For the remainder of the flight, air marshals held passengers at gunpoint and refused to allow anyone to get up, even to use the bathroom, despite the fact that the disoriented passenger had been shackled to his seat.
The nightmare continued for Dr. Rajcoomar even after the flight landed. Air marshals handcuffed Dr. Rajcoomar without explanation and took him into the custody of Philadelphia police. His wife Dorothy, who was also on the flight, was given no information on what had happened to her husband. Because the authorities confiscated Dr. Rajcoomar's cellular phone, she had no way to contact him.

After four tense hours in detention, Dr. Rajcoomar was released. TSA personnel told him that he had been detained because air marshals on board the flight did not “like the way he looked.” The agency’s official explanation for Dr. Rajcoomar’s treatment is that while on board, Dr. Rajcoomar had been observing the actions of the air marshals “too closely.”

The entire situation for Dr. Rajcoomar was enormously demoralizing, physically abusive and took a psychological toll, the ACLU said. “This was racial profiling at its worst,” Presser added. “There is absolutely no legal or factual justification for why the air marshals treated Dr. Rajcoomar the way they did.”
In addition to Presser, the other attorneys litigating this case are: Jim Green, an attorney with the ACLU of Florida, Randall Marshall, Legal Director of the ACLU of Florida, Seth Kreimer of Philadelphia, and Reginald Shuford of the national ACLU in New York.

The initial complaint in this case is available online at: http://www.aclufl.org/rajcoomarcomplaint.html

This article makes me despise them even more.

 

[Intact]

You did not grow up in a bad family, so you would not understand anything besides the "Leave it to Beaver" family.

So, now you claim to know how we all grew up? Please.

 

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

OK, you people think it's Ok to detain someone because they have brown skin and looked suspicous? This guy isn't even an Arab, he's Indian! And for god's sake the sky marshalls held the passengers at gun point. You can't violate someone's civil rights any more than this! What's next, rounding up black folk that "look suspicous" in the housing projects to search them for drugs? (Oh, wait, we already do that)

 

[Intact]

OK, you people think it's Ok to detain someone because they have brown skin and looked suspicous? This guy isn't even an Arab, he's Indian! And for god's sake the sky marshalls held the passengers at gun point. You can't violate someone's civil rights any more than this! What's next, rounding up black folk that "look suspicous" in the housing projects to search them for drugs? (Oh, wait, we already do that)

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=254583

 

[bwood]

You did not grow up in a bad family, so you would not understand anything besides the "Leave it to Beaver" family.

you might think that chief...but boy how wrong you'd be...

laws are written with the majority in mind by the way...

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

you might think that chief...but boy how wrong you'd be...

laws are written with the majority in mind by the way...

I disagree. Laws in the US are written to enforce the will of rich people, who by definiton cannot be the majority since 'rich' is a relative value. Rare is the average or poor person who wants the rich socialists of DSS or their rich people pity programs in their life. How many members of congress comes from humble origins?

 

[atlantabiolab]

that is excellent. You do not realize the problems that are caused by such a draconian law.

You did not grow up in a bad family, so you would not understand anything besides the "Leave it to Beaver" family.

Please...cry us another river. Again, you, and others of the leftist mentality, assert that the "feelings" of the individual reign over morality and laws. As long as the person experiences suffering or guilt or discomfort, then all ethical considerations can be discarded.

So, by this emotive concept, as long as one "feels" bad while he is beating an old lady to death, he should be abdicated from any responsibililty. As long as one "feels" bad about robbing the store clerk, he should not be punished, for he is already "suffering".

 

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=254583

Dumbass, this guy they detained is both a Dr. a US citizen!

 

[danielson]

underage girls need a parent to be with them to get their fucking ear pierced, so why shouldnt their parents be notified if they get an abortion.

kids that age arent aware of all of the problems that can happen following an abortion.

a child can still consent to a medical operation or procedure if they are competent to make that descision, and depending on what that procedure is the stigma associated with it may make it innappropriate for the parents to be involved, as any further descision may be undertaken under duress

 

[danielson]

as for this guy, your damn straight he should get an apology....he deserves one as do all the passengers. suspicions are one thing, the 'above the law' mentality some officials have is another. this action seems entirely appropriate, especially since the doctors details both civillian and military can be easily verfied

it seems odd that more of you aren;t outraged a man of this standing was treated this was given

a) he was a US citizen
b) he is a doctor and therefore a public servant helping save other lives
c) is a US soldier (an officer)