Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below well all i got to say to all you ''UFC VETS'' who said to get off matt hughs case, look what happend. Roce graacie got beat to hell and back and had no chance! I had my money on matt but thoght it would be close and it wasnt!! 1st round tko matt hughs won. For all you people who said the sport has changed, it defintly has!
for all you ufc trash talking
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MaGilicuti
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rick_hfh said:
you can't even compare UFC 1 to UFC 60.
match up any of the fighters from the old days vs a new school fighter and they'd get completely rocked
64Pilot
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He got worked by Sakuraba in Pride Look, Royce is a fantastic grappler, however he is really just an average guy(with a huge heart) that had the best teaching in the world,compliments of helio. Matt is a world class athlete, that is llight years ahead of Royce in athleticism. I will always be thankful for what the Gracies did, and Royce dominating the UFC from 193-1996. This will not take away from the Gracie mystique.. On a lighter note, young Rickson vs. Hughes would have been interesting
msam76
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Gracie was just past his prime. Had he faced Hughes in say, UFC 5, Matt would have went down. I think UFC had more in mind here than just a classic battle between two of the best fighters of all time. Look at the money they just raked in. Also, UFC is becoming more popular with time on spike and advertisments. Good way to say "look, we have changed and our athletes are different". I just hope it doesn't take on the "new wrestling" prop. I remember watching the greats go at it back in the 80's. Now it is just like a soap opera. Hughes did a good job, he worked for the win. Feel bad for Gracie though, what a rude awakening.
Anthony Starks
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64Pilot said:
I wouldn't say worked, that fight was pretty close. A HELL of a lot closer than against Hughes. One dimensional fighters can't cut it in the UFC anymore - no matter their age.
Big Rick Rock
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I think I said it in the other thread.
I can't say anything bad about Royce cause the guy has balls of steel and will step in the cage/ring with ANYBODY any size any weight! He is a real life tough guy, did you see his face when Matt had his arm all twisted up??? Cold steel in his eyes! Most of you cry when you bang your toe against a door.
I knew from the start that Royce had no chance against Matt right now... Matt is on FIRE, and winning everything.
-BRR
Big Rick Rock said:
I can't say anything bad about Royce cause the guy has balls of steel and will step in the cage/ring with ANYBODY any size any weight! He is a real life tough guy, did you see his face when Matt had his arm all twisted up??? Cold steel in his eyes! Most of you cry when you bang your toe against a door.
I knew from the start that Royce had no chance against Matt right now... Matt is on FIRE, and winning everything.
-BRR
thisforumrots
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the ufc like all things has changed... but I'm sad to see an old timer like myself get beat at HIS own game respect is not what it used to be
instead of looking up to guys that have been there/done that
It seems that in this new world that older/ wiser folks are cast aside
I seem to see this far too often lately ( I have a 13 year old boy that no resect for me or anyone that's not in an exceptable age group to him , ( under 20ish)
It's sad how the peeps that paved the way, are passed on for roll models like 50Cent instead of guys like Flava FLav or Run DMC etc.
Ok ,,,done whining
instead of looking up to guys that have been there/done that
It seems that in this new world that older/ wiser folks are cast aside
I seem to see this far too often lately ( I have a 13 year old boy that no resect for me or anyone that's not in an exceptable age group to him , ( under 20ish)
It's sad how the peeps that paved the way, are passed on for roll models like 50Cent instead of guys like Flava FLav or Run DMC etc.
Ok ,,,done whining
64Pilot
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Damn right BRR, he has a fantastic heart, but he was way outclassed.
Msam, I have to disagree with you. Even Royce in his prime, would not have been fair. Royce in his prime, with a GI, and no time limit, then it might have been fair.Rickson in his prime vs. even better.. Royce is no superman, he just has fantastic grappling skills. I take nothing away from the Gracies, I love what they have done. However, I agree with Matt when he talked about the Gracies going around saying that Gracie BJJ is th eonly game in town. You MUST be well rounded these days... I like grappling, and alwasy will, however I ran into Muay Thai, and fell in love. More and more fights are stand up these days. This is due to the ground game being neutralized. These days its being well rounded, athletic, and having heart. Im drunk, so I hope the post makes some sort of sense
Msam, I have to disagree with you. Even Royce in his prime, would not have been fair. Royce in his prime, with a GI, and no time limit, then it might have been fair.Rickson in his prime vs. even better.. Royce is no superman, he just has fantastic grappling skills. I take nothing away from the Gracies, I love what they have done. However, I agree with Matt when he talked about the Gracies going around saying that Gracie BJJ is th eonly game in town. You MUST be well rounded these days... I like grappling, and alwasy will, however I ran into Muay Thai, and fell in love. More and more fights are stand up these days. This is due to the ground game being neutralized. These days its being well rounded, athletic, and having heart. Im drunk, so I hope the post makes some sort of sense
Cauliflower Ear
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Everyone that knows anything knew that matt was going to win. I got in an arguement from a guy at R1 about this on the forum last week. I told him this was gonna happen but I though it would have gone the distance....guess not. Matt looked amazing.
Rickson would beat his ass right now though...Royce and Rickson are not even close to the same level
Rickson would beat his ass right now though...Royce and Rickson are not even close to the same level
64Pilot
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Caul,
Are you saying Rickson would ifnact beat Matt? I think it would be an interesting match, however I woudl have to give the edge to Matt. matt 3 years ago, yeah he woud be beat. Matt has came a long way in his stand up and submission. Everybody still thinks of him as only a wrestler, but he is very well rounded... I just look forward to the day when East meeets West, and they unify(spelled right?) a belt between UFC and PRIDE
Are you saying Rickson would ifnact beat Matt? I think it would be an interesting match, however I woudl have to give the edge to Matt. matt 3 years ago, yeah he woud be beat. Matt has came a long way in his stand up and submission. Everybody still thinks of him as only a wrestler, but he is very well rounded... I just look forward to the day when East meeets West, and they unify(spelled right?) a belt between UFC and PRIDE
Bruce
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go back 10 years bro, the sport is softer now with rules and gloves. royce would have destroyed him in his prime i don't give a shit, this is just like tito beating kenny when he was old and injured. i stick to my story that royce would have killed him. it used to be no holds barred now its a sport.
rick_hfh said:
Yes It was no surprise that Matt pulled of that win but to completely dominate Royce like he did...wow... It was really sad to see the gracie lockeroom. A few of them were crying and Royce looked like he just got knews he lost a kid. It was a sight to see really. It was bad because Royce thought he could pull off a victory and got a real rude awakening. Matt is a genetic freak and a very well deserved champion w/o a doubt. I can't wait for the Hughes vs Pierre 2 that otta be something!
ON another note spencer fischers flying knee knockout was incredible & Melvin has to be one of the biggest mother fuckers walking around at 155lbs.
ON another note spencer fischers flying knee knockout was incredible & Melvin has to be one of the biggest mother fuckers walking around at 155lbs.
BigCracker
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Gracie should pull the roid card and demand Hughes be tested immediately.
ur2insecure
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shit, Its not showing in the UK till tonight at 11pm on SKY and now i know who has won.
How far ahead are you guys with Ultimate Fighter 3? I watched ginger Ed win on Friday
How far ahead are you guys with Ultimate Fighter 3? I watched ginger Ed win on Friday
bigden1971
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I thought they tested these guys for gear. Matt weighed in last night at 175.5 pounds. He looks like he weighs 30 pounds heavier than that. Matt is just genetically stronger pound for pound than just about anyone else in his weight class. His strength was definitely a determining factor in the fight last night.
I personally thought Diego Sanchez got rocked by that other guy last night, but that's talk for another thread.
I personally thought Diego Sanchez got rocked by that other guy last night, but that's talk for another thread.
You should go to the Sherdog website and check out what the editor had to say about the fight (Just My Thoughts), before it happened. He hits every corner of this subject to a T, so I'm just gonna point the way and not gonna get into this too much:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=4564
Anyways.....the rest of the entire fight card (excluding the Hughes/Gracie fight) was freakin' sweeeeeet! Guillotines, triangles, flying knees, huge punches, and a nice 3 round war....what more can you want?
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=4564
Anyways.....the rest of the entire fight card (excluding the Hughes/Gracie fight) was freakin' sweeeeeet! Guillotines, triangles, flying knees, huge punches, and a nice 3 round war....what more can you want?
^^^^ nope remember tim sylvia got busted busted and took the punishment like a man and gave up the belt. matt is as solid as he can be at 175.5 there might be a small chance he takes halo during weight sessions a couple months before fight to strengthen him up w/o bulking...idk my.02
gjohnson5
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Royce wasn't on the shelf either. He was fighting in Japan and making 400lb guys tap out. He's only 39 so age should be a factor
I think Royce was dominated physically. Matt was stronger AND has techniques that kept Royce on the mat. He just didn't have a chance. That kimura must have worn him out physically and mentally because his arm was hyperextended for a long time
I think Royce was dominated physically. Matt was stronger AND has techniques that kept Royce on the mat. He just didn't have a chance. That kimura must have worn him out physically and mentally because his arm was hyperextended for a long time
mr.october
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It was sad to see Royce get beaten like that, but even more interesting that Hughes used BJJ to beat him(guard pass, side mount, back control). Royce couldn't even close his guard with this beast Hughes on top of him.
64Pilot
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I had a fried who trained at MFS for quite sometime. He says Matt DOES NOT juice, he is just a genetic freak. Dont get me wrong, alot of people in the MFS camp do juise, but not him. Apparently he doesnt even liek it mentioned in front of him..
Bigden,
You are right he weighed in at 175, but was probably close to 190 when he was out there. With all the years wrestling he has cutting weight down to a T
Bigden,
You are right he weighed in at 175, but was probably close to 190 when he was out there. With all the years wrestling he has cutting weight down to a T
Big Rick Rock
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Dammit ... Why the fuck does anybody with any little bit of muscle tone has to be juicing to you guys???
If you think you need Juice to acheive Matt's physique then you probably started to use AAS too early into your development. You can get up to Matt's size NO PROBLEM without ever having to touch Steroids...
Get off that shit already.
-BRR
If you think you need Juice to acheive Matt's physique then you probably started to use AAS too early into your development. You can get up to Matt's size NO PROBLEM without ever having to touch Steroids...
Get off that shit already.
-BRR
Big Rick Rock
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Alcatraz1662 said:You should go to the Sherdog website and check out what the editor had to say about the fight (Just My Thoughts), before it happened. He hits every corner of this subject to a T, so I'm just gonna point the way and not gonna get into this too much:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=4564
Anyways.....the rest of the entire fight card (excluding the Hughes/Gracie fight) was freakin' sweeeeeet! Guillotines, triangles, flying knees, huge punches, and a nice 3 round war....what more can you want?
Awesome fucking article. I could not have said it better myself.
-BRR
WELL SAID, BRO!!....you're getting karma forever. Matt is NOT juicing, I spent my high school in Iowa and had alot of friends who were just like Hughes. It's just the way they were raised, they grew up working like a slave on a farm their entire lives, and then they wrestle whenever they have free time. Their bodies develop really well, rock solid, good ole fashion dense farmboy frames. Some of the most muscular people I've ever met were Iowa wrestlers.Big Rick Rock said:
happiest
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I agree...those country boys were bred from hearty working stock and have few distractions out there to take them away from labor.
I dont believe Hughes is on, and I am certain as another commenter posted, he definitely has cutting weight down to a science.
It has been said Hughes is not only truly gifted genetically, but is the hardest working fighter in the UFC. I am not an expert, but have followed his career and can see an improvement in his skills EVERY fight.
Poor Gracie pride! We all love the intiators, but this sport has evolved beyond the abilities of its founders
I dont believe Hughes is on, and I am certain as another commenter posted, he definitely has cutting weight down to a science.
It has been said Hughes is not only truly gifted genetically, but is the hardest working fighter in the UFC. I am not an expert, but have followed his career and can see an improvement in his skills EVERY fight.
Poor Gracie pride! We all love the intiators, but this sport has evolved beyond the abilities of its founders
Big Rick Rock
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If anybody needs steroids to look like this:
The your genetics suck ass or you are just not working hard enouihg in the gym.
-BRR
The your genetics suck ass or you are just not working hard enouihg in the gym.
-BRR
d_o_c_
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I thought Gracie was going to come in better shape. When he stripped down I knew it was over.
I was sweating and clinching my fists knowing that my man Royce was in for a loss.
Hats off to Hughes, who I do beleive is juicing, but heck, no one was stopping Royce from doing it.
Look at it this way. When a football team is kicking everyones ass and one gets popped you can assume that they all are.
Same goes for any sport if you ask me. Should we all be lead to beleive that Sylvia is the lone AAS user of that group? I think not.
Royce is still the man in my book.
I was sweating and clinching my fists knowing that my man Royce was in for a loss.
Hats off to Hughes, who I do beleive is juicing, but heck, no one was stopping Royce from doing it.
Look at it this way. When a football team is kicking everyones ass and one gets popped you can assume that they all are.
Same goes for any sport if you ask me. Should we all be lead to beleive that Sylvia is the lone AAS user of that group? I think not.
Royce is still the man in my book.
d_o_c_
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I thought Gracie was going to come in better shape. When he stripped down I knew it was over.
I was sweating and clinching my fists knowing that my man Royce was in for a loss.
Hats off to Hughes, who I do beleive is juicing, but heck, no one was stopping Royce from doing it.
Look at it this way. When a football team is kicking everyones ass and one gets popped you can assume that they all are.
Same goes for any sport if you ask me. Should we all be lead to beleive that Sylvia is the lone AAS user of that group? I think not.
Royce is still the man in my book.
I was sweating and clinching my fists knowing that my man Royce was in for a loss.
Hats off to Hughes, who I do beleive is juicing, but heck, no one was stopping Royce from doing it.
Look at it this way. When a football team is kicking everyones ass and one gets popped you can assume that they all are.
Same goes for any sport if you ask me. Should we all be lead to beleive that Sylvia is the lone AAS user of that group? I think not.
Royce is still the man in my book.
