first time posting here and question

[Elite_Fry]

I've been around for years but never actually posted on because i felt i was too young to start, now that im a lot older and been training for about 5 years it would be good to get some advice

I was reading through the 'newbies post'

1 - Age - 21
2 - Lifting History - lifting sinse was 16
3 - Height - 5'11
4 - Weight - 172 pounds
5 - Estimated BF% (Or at least, lean/think/fat etc...) lean (10-15% bfat)
7 - Goals - another 20 pounds of muscle
8 - Proposed cycle - Looks like test only for first time. So 500mg's a week. Im not sure which test though, E, P, S etc. Could i get some help with that?

Should i cycle with anything else? Any other advice would be good.

 

[Bozwell]

I did sust 250@1ml per week for 8weeks with good pct and kept 12lbs so 2ml of sust should produce 20lbs(though I am no expert)
Add om liquidex @0.5ml ed to keep bloat away and have nolva on hand in case of gyno symptoms
check out the pct forum
good luck
btw how long are you going to cycle for ?

 

[Elite_Fry]

I did sust 250@1ml per week for 8weeks with good pct and kept 12lbs so 2ml of sust should produce 20lbs(though I am no expert)
Add om liquidex @0.5ml ed to keep bloat away and have nolva on hand in case of gyno symptoms
check out the pct forum
good luck
btw how long are you going to cycle for ?

I hear 8-10 weeks for first go, does that sound right?
thanks for the info

 

[GoldenDelicious]

search for some threads with my name in them about low dose test ie 250.

just for a bit of insight.

 

[Elite_Fry]

Test E 500mg/week for 10 weeks

PCT clomid & Nolvadex (starting 2 weeks after last test)

Clomid Day 1: 300mg, Day 2-11: 100mg, Day 12-21: 50mg
Nolvadex: Week 1-2: 40mg, Week 3: 20mg

 

[wls8687]

Test E 500mg/week for 10 weeks

PCT clomid & Nolvadex (starting 2 weeks after last test)

Clomid Day 1: 300mg, Day 2-11: 100mg, Day 12-21: 50mg
Nolvadex: Week 1-2: 40mg, Week 3: 20mg

Seems good to me.

 

[blut wump]

Take a read on Jenetic's posts on HCG.

 

[eviction]

I've been around for years but never actually posted on because i felt i was too young to start, now that im a lot older and been training for about 5 years it would be good to get some advice

I was reading through the 'newbies post'

1 - Age - 21
2 - Lifting History - lifting sinse was 16
3 - Height - 5'11
4 - Weight - 172 pounds
5 - Estimated BF% (Or at least, lean/think/fat etc...) lean (10-15% bfat)
7 - Goals - another 20 pounds of muscle
8 - Proposed cycle - Looks like test only for first time. So 500mg's a week. Im not sure which test though, E, P, S etc. Could i get some help with that?

Should i cycle with anything else? Any other advice would be good.

I don't know how you feel about needles, but I am a beleiver in short esters such as prop. PCT is easier and quicker

 

[Elite_Fry]

could i save the nolva for a possable gyno flare up? and just stick with the clomid for my pct?
also was thinking incorporating some Dbol at 4-5 weeks

 

[shamrock11]

You shouldn't worry about stacking on your first cycle. You need to see how your body is going to react to gear. If you have a bad side you will have no idea what caused t if your doing more than one drug. You'll have plenty of time to stack later. Don't get to over zealous now that's how a lot of newbies get in trouble.

 

[JeSt3r]

i wouldnt go with clomid...just use nolva for ur whole PCT

 

[blut wump]

Some say steer clear of clomid as it hits their emotional balance quite hard. I've also read that nolva is just as effective as clomid but at a much lower required dose and thus less strain on the liver. As such, many suggest that clomid is now obsolete in favour of nolva.

 

[djgaler]

do as the master says my friend.
DJ
http://elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177

 

[PatBateman3]

I like your cycle, and though most here prefer Nolvadex, I actually like to cover my bases and use both for PCT.

 

[blut wump]

do as the master says my friend.
DJ
http://elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177

A great find and well worth sticking into my archive directory.

 

[Roidboyz]

could i save the nolva for a possable gyno flare up? and just stick with the clomid for my pct?
also was thinking incorporating some Dbol at 4-5 weeks

Sust 250 is great... Long ester(blend)....Takes about 4 weeks for me to feel it...This eguals longer pct.... If you don't respond well to it you have it in you for a long time..

On the D-bol... I wouldn't stact on your first cycle... And if your going to I would do the Dbol weeks 1-4 (short ester) ... That will get you going and you can be off just in time for the sust to kick in.....

Just my .02

RB

 

[TheRide]

Test is test, the only difference between the different preps is the absorbtion rate suspention and prop being faster acting, and Enath, Cyp being on the longer end of the scale. This is why I am a fan of Sust/Omnadr - you get the best of both world since it's a test blend.

8-10 weeks followed by your PCT is right on. Good luck

 

[blut wump]

Test is test, the only difference between the different preps is the absorbtion rate suspention and prop being faster acting, and Enath, Cyp being on the longer end of the scale. This is why I am a fan of Sust/Omnadr - you get the best of both world since it's a test blend.

8-10 weeks followed by your PCT is right on. Good luck

Not strictly true. The other difference between the various esters is weight. The longer the ester then the more weight is taken up with the ester and correspondingly less by the test. You should at least consider this effective drop in dose with the longer esters at a given weight and, maybe, compensate for it.

I did have a link somewhere showing the relative weights but it's disappeared.

 

[blut wump]

[snip]

Now, you have to remember that the ester is going to add more weight to the molecule. The larger the ester the less base steroid there is going to be in a 100mg steroid ester. You can use the following chart to figure this out:


Chemical Formula / Molecular Weight / Mg of Testosterone
Testosterone (no ester)
C19 H28 O2 288.4 100mg

Acetate
C2 H2 O 42.1 87.26mg

Propionate
C3 H4 O 56.1mg 83.72mg

Enanthate*
C7 H12 O 112.2mg 71.99mg

Cypionate
C8 H4 O 124.2mg 69.90mg

Decanoate
C10 H18 O 154.3mg 65.15mg

Undecanoate info not availible
*Data Extrapolated from another formula (may not be exact)

 

[blut wump]

duplicate post...

 

[cydex01]

I'm still on my first cycle now of 500mg cyp and 300 deca. Cyp for 10 weeks and deca for 9. I'm currently in my ninth week and have had zero side effects (with the exception of increased libido ). To give you an idea of what to expect, I have gained 28.5 lbs so far and have another test shot to go.

cydex01

 

[blut wump]

Awesome gains, cydex01. What are your plans for pct?

 

[Elite_Fry]

thanks

 

[riverrock]

I've been around for years but never actually posted on because i felt i was too young to start, now that im a lot older and been training for about 5 years it would be good to get some advice

I was reading through the 'newbies post'

1 - Age - 21
2 - Lifting History - lifting sinse was 16
3 - Height - 5'11
4 - Weight - 172 pounds
5 - Estimated BF% (Or at least, lean/think/fat etc...) lean (10-15% bfat)
7 - Goals - another 20 pounds of muscle
8 - Proposed cycle - Looks like test only for first time. So 500mg's a week. Im not sure which test though, E, P, S etc. Could i get some help with that?

Should i cycle with anything else? Any other advice would be good.

Test only is an excellent first cycle

 

[cydex01]

Awesome gains, cydex01. What are your plans for pct?

One week from today (I took my last test shot today), I will start nolva at 20mgs a day for 6 weeks, and HCG Mon/Wed/Fri for the first 3 weeks at 1000 UI's a shot. Basic Jenetic program.

cydex01