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theFEWthePROUD

theFEWthePROUD

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Hi guys, This will be my first time using and i have a few questions. I'm a 71" 197lbs male wanting to get cut. Im going to start with using Tren and Test and nolvadex for a PCT.... What Im wanting to know is what is the best amount to use and should it be a ED or EOD? Also iam wondering if there is other stuff i should be taking with Tren and Test, or do i take them afterwards. I have been reading alot but and slightly confused. HOW AND WHAT DO I TAKE DURING AND AFTER THE CYCLE?! Looking for someone to help better educate me on what i should take during and after with these 2.
 
How old are you mate and what is your body fat%.??

Welcome to the board .

Brad.
 
NO Way!

We need your stats
Age
BF
Weight
Training history
And most of all Diet!

RADAR
 
Ok, here are the answers to your questions.....

25 yrs old, 71", 199lbs, 19% BF... I have been in the gym lifting for some time now, just cant get ripped, I do crossfit and heavy lifting. I run about 3 miles every week. My diest is good, for example, 4 boiled eggs in the morning, 3 hours later a protein shake, tuna for lunch, 3 hours later a protein shake, and dinner depends on what my wife cooks, but mainly meat of some kind.


If tren and test are not good to start with, well what is? also i need to know what else i need to take during my cycle (8wks) with tren and test, or whatever.... also what is the best to take for PCT? Is a ED or EOD better for my first time? what do you guys recomend?
 
TREN IS a NO NO For a first timer, Test Only you got to crawl before you can run.
And from reading your posts you have a lot of studying to do before you even run a cycle, I was On here when i joined for 2 yrs before i even considered taking Gear(Injectables).


You want to get ripped, do morning Cardio on an empty stomach after a 12-14 hr fast.
Drink lots of water, and watch what you eat.You need 1 gram of protein for every pound of bodyweight.

RADAR
 
^^^ Good stuff here. and Welcome to EF
 
welcome. with 19% bf you need to get in shape before you can get into shape. at 25, you do not need any gear to help with fat loss--just cardio and diet.
 
theFEWthePROUD said:
Ok, here are the answers to your questions.....

25 yrs old, 71", 199lbs, 19% BF... I have been in the gym lifting for some time now, just cant get ripped, I do crossfit and heavy lifting. I run about 3 miles every week. My diest is good, for example, 4 boiled eggs in the morning, 3 hours later a protein shake, tuna for lunch, 3 hours later a protein shake, and dinner depends on what my wife cooks, but mainly meat of some kind.


If tren and test are not good to start with, well what is? also i need to know what else i need to take during my cycle (8wks) with tren and test, or whatever.... also what is the best to take for PCT? Is a ED or EOD better for my first time? what do you guys recomend?
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No offence meant here:

ButAs Radar said you need to do more research. I realize asking questions is part of the research process so good on ya!

That being said; Your diet can't be right on if you're @ %19BF unless of course you're looking to bulk :)

3 miles a week? I run 3-5 miles a day! That's not enough cardio on your part if you are looking to loose weight.

I would consider trying a low carb, high protien diet for 6 weeks and see how that makes you feel. DRink a min or 1 gallon of water a day. You'll hate it and it'll get boring as heck, but the water works.

Good Luck!
 
OK, Forget about the tren.... I have been doing some reasearch and wanted to know what you guys think about this first cycle im looking in to doing...

18 wk cycle

Test E 500 mgs / a wk wk1 - wk 12
Dbol 20 mgs / ed wk1 - wk 4
Arimidex 1 mgs /ed wk1 - wk 4 *THEN 0.5 mgs / ed wk 5 - wk 12

WK 13 off

Arimidex .025 mgs / ed wk 14 - wk 15 *THEN 0.25 mgs / eod wk 16 - wk 17
Clomid 200 mgs / ed *THEN by half ed till wk 18
IGF-1 60mcg / wk 14
40mcg / wk 15 - wk 16


Wanted to know what you guys think about the cycle, since it will be my first cycle....
 
OK, Forget about the tren.... I have been doing some reasearch and wanted to know what you guys think about this first cycle im looking in to doing...

18 wk cycle

Test E 500 mgs / a wk wk1 - wk 12
Dbol 20 mgs / ed wk1 - wk 4
Arimidex 1 mgs /ed wk1 - wk 4 *THEN 0.5 mgs / ed wk 5 - wk 12

WK 13 off

Arimidex .025 mgs / ed wk 14 - wk 15 *THEN 0.25 mgs / eod wk 16 - wk 17
Clomid 200 mgs / ed *THEN by half ed till wk 18
IGF-1 60mcg / wk 14
40mcg / wk 15 - wk 16


Wanted to know what you guys think about the cycle, since it will be my first cycle....


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Gotta ask a question here...and it's only cuz I'm trying to help...

How did you research this cycle or did you copy and paste this from somewhere?
 
No I researched ALOT of websites, on FAQ for beginners and read over a bunch of cycles..... I found this cycle upon reading... Just cause i found this cycle doesnt mean i stopped reading and learning. Yes i still have more to learn, I just wanted to see what you guys though on about this cycle. reading lastnight i learned how harsh tren can be, then i came across this, read and researched each one in the cycle.
 
See post #8
 
First of all i was way wrong about my BF... i did it yesterday and i was 13%...... Just needed to get that cleared up!.... I dont want to jst cut up, I know i said that at first, but i want a little more size and toneness.... yes i need to up my cardio. I just want to know if you think this cycle is good for my first time!
 
I'll never understand why people come on here and they say I want to get shredded, what should I take.

Seriously what you need to do is fix your freaking diet!!!! Add more cardio and boom that should do the trick.

At the age of 25 you do not need gear to get shredded. Buy some lipoflame if you really need the help. Its a good thing you asked but I still will never understand why people think steroids will make you get shredded, they won't its all dependent on your diet and training. If you eat like garbage on Tren you aren't going to be shredded, so if you can get shredded naturally and learn the discipline it takes.......imagine what you could do with those compounds.
 
Easy there bud, im want to get size along with staying shedded...... Im going to do it, i just want peoples input on the cycle im going to take, to see what advice they have towards THE CYCLE...... Im not up here thinking, i can stick myself and not eat right or cardio enough..... why do people up here get so damn offended when people new to this ask question about cycles....(not everyone up here) but think about it, you were in my position before!!!!
 
run the test dbol like you said. your bf is fine. i would up the dbol to 20mg 2x per day if it where me.
only run the adex at .25mg eod (every other day) if your nips start to feal wierd then up the adex to .5 eod
take milk thistle throughout the cycle and pct

start pct 2wks after last shot
for pct run the clomid at 50 mg ed for 4 wks and get pp test recovery stack and run it as directed with the clomid.
 
theFEWthePROUD said:
Easy there bud, im want to get size along with staying shedded...... Im going to do it, i just want peoples input on the cycle im going to take, to see what advice they have towards THE CYCLE...... Im not up here thinking, i can stick myself and not eat right or cardio enough..... why do people up here get so damn offended when people new to this ask question about cycles....(not everyone up here) but think about it, you were in my position before!!!!
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^^^Because most want to start a cycle before they are ready. You don't need to cycle until you hit your natural limits. Just like when you were asked how long you had been training, you replied with "quite some time". Exactly how long is that? What does your workout look like?

As a first cycle you should stick with only one compound. See how your body reacts. When you had more than one and experience sides, you don't know which compound its coming from. Stick with a Test only cycle at first. With a good workout routine and diet, you can grow big on this cycle.

Weeks 1-10 Test Eth. @ 500mg/wk
Weeks 1-10 Arimidex @ .25mg/EOD
Weeks 12-15 Test Recovery Stack by Primordial Performance
 
brandonp005 said:
^^^Because most want to start a cycle before they are ready. You don't need to cycle until you hit your natural limits. Just like when you were asked how long you had been training, you replied with "quite some time". Exactly how long is that? What does your workout look like?

As a first cycle you should stick with only one compound. See how your body reacts. When you had more than one and experience sides, you don't know which compound its coming from. Stick with a Test only cycle at first. With a good workout routine and diet, you can grow big on this cycle.

Weeks 1-10 Test Eth. @ 500mg/wk
Weeks 1-10 Arimidex @ .25mg/EOD
Weeks 12-15 Test Recovery Stack by Primordial Performance
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What he said!
 
I Don't think he is gonna get as shreadded as he thinks! he is running Dbol! all his Post has been Questions about Cycles,none about nutrition,Diet or cardio.

RADAR
 
theFEWthePROUD said:
Easy there bud, im want to get size along with staying shedded...... Im going to do it, i just want peoples input on the cycle im going to take, to see what advice they have towards THE CYCLE...... Im not up here thinking, i can stick myself and not eat right or cardio enough..... why do people up here get so damn offended when people new to this ask question about cycles....(not everyone up here) but think about it, you were in my position before!!!!
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these bros are here to help--when you give some conflicting info and an absurd cycle the wonder about how much you know....if you get rude to others we will ask you to leave...well, actually I will not really ask, just toss you out.

and if you have not spent time on these boards you would know that we spend many hours with people who do not have a clue what they are doing and work hard to help them...so appreciate that all comments are to help you----

if you do not want to discuss--or be taken to task on something (note I had a 60 post thread going back and forth the last two days with another good and smart bro that some may seem as rough--but neither of us took offense--and it is a damn good read.) If I can be questioned about a statement my friend, so can you--we all can--it is about an exchange of information.
 
RADAR said:
I Don't think he is gonna get as shreadded as he thinks! he is running Dbol! all his Post has been Questions about Cycles,none about nutrition,Diet or cardio.

RADAR
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hmnmm, I dont know how to say this with out making it sound personal, so dont take it personal..... I havent asking about nutriton or cardio cause i know what i need to do, i know i need to up my cardio, and i already know how to eat right.... being said, im asking questions about this thing i need help with, like cycles or how is the best way to take them, so that i may learn before i go and start buying and using. I understand that you all have information and the experience that i do not, but you dont have to get cocky on my ass, just help me out by answering my question or educating me by giving a website to go read, if i havent already! Like i said, dont take this personal, i appreciate what information you guys do give.
 
theFEWthePROUD said:
hmnmm, I dont know how to say this with out making it sound personal, so dont take it personal..... I havent asking about nutriton or cardio cause i know what i need to do, i know i need to up my cardio, and i already know how to eat right.... being said, im asking questions about this thing i need help with, like cycles or how is the best way to take them, so that i may learn before i go and start buying and using. I understand that you all have information and the experience that i do not, but you dont have to get cocky on my ass, just help me out by answering my question or educating me by giving a website to go read, if i havent already! Like i said, dont take this personal, i appreciate what information you guys do give.
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Point Taken! Nothing Personal at all!

You are going to do gear regardless of what anyone says.
But Your not gonna get shredded Running Dbol.

A Good Lean Cycle would consist of Test Prop & Anavar!
RADAR
 
theFEWthePROUD said:
hmnmm, I dont know how to say this with out making it sound personal, so dont take it personal..... I havent asking about nutriton or cardio cause i know what i need to do, i know i need to up my cardio, and i already know how to eat right.... being said, im asking questions about this thing i need help with, like cycles or how is the best way to take them, so that i may learn before i go and start buying and using. I understand that you all have information and the experience that i do not, but you dont have to get cocky on my ass, just help me out by answering my question or educating me by giving a website to go read, if i havent already! Like i said, dont take this personal, i appreciate what information you guys do give.
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good bro question--I hate to answer a question by pushing a book--but check out some of these--you can download immed. I like Nelson Montana's and George Spellwins. Another idea is if you dont have it already--EVERY vet here has at least one edition of William Llewellyn Book----if not for that book (earliier edition I would have done myself some awful harm) see link below

https://www.elitefitness.com/amember/
 
Well im think about taking ezekiels advice and running that cycle for my first maybe even second. Everyone so far has recomended pretty much just running test for a first cycle, i have also come across this on my different sites. I think this will be a good starting point, and then running that cycle i mentioned earlier in a post. but adding some winstrol, so help cut. unless someone has some sudjestions.....
 
eddymerckx said:
good bro question--I hate to answer a question by pushing a book--but check out some of these--you can download immed. I like Nelson Montana's and George Spellwins. Another idea is if you dont have it already--EVERY vet here has at least one edition of William Llewellyn Book----if not for that book (earliier edition I would have done myself some awful harm) see link below

https://www.elitefitness.com/amember/
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Thanks bro, i will deff check this out
 
eddymerckx said:
good bro question--I hate to answer a question by pushing a book--but check out some of these--you can download immed. I like Nelson Montana's and George Spellwins. Another idea is if you dont have it already--EVERY vet here has at least one edition of William Llewellyn Book----if not for that book (earliier edition I would have done myself some awful harm) see link below

https://www.elitefitness.com/amember/
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So im looking over this e-books from this link and im just wondering if anyone has read...

Secrects of mail order steroid success AND
George spellwins chemical wizardry

Any in put about these two? and does anyone recommend these?
 
How about a simple cycle to start with:

Test prop 100 mgs eod (300mgs ew) - 10 weeks
Masteron 100mgs eod (300mgs ew) - 8 weeks
Have arimidex on hand

PCT: Clomid at 50 mgs ed for 2 weeks (one week after your last shot of test)
Sustain Alpha
 
the_alcatraz said:
How about a simple cycle to start with:

Test prop 100 mgs eod (300mgs ew) - 10 weeks
Masteron 100mgs eod (300mgs ew) - 8 weeks
Have arimidex on hand

PCT: Clomid at 50 mgs ed for 2 weeks (one week after your last shot of test)
Sustain Alpha
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See this is where i get confused also, isnt arimidex and clomid both anitestrogens?

So why have arimidex on hand during taking test, when you take clomid for PCT?

And do i use sustain alpha while taking clomid?
 
Those comments tell me that although you have said you have been reading your not comprehending what your reading. I do like though that your willing to listen. This is great.

Arimidex is generally used by most for estrogen control on cycle. It is an AI. Clomid is typically run during PCT and has properties that also assist in restarting natural test production as well as keeping estrogen under control. It is a SERM. These compounds work by different mechanisms and hence are used in a slightly different manner although they can be interchanged when estrogen control is the primary use. Myyself though I prefer Nolva over Clomid for PCT and yes you run a SERM in conjunction with Testosterone Recovery Stack during PCT.

I like Alc's suggestion for a cycle with what your wanting to achieve but it does mean quite a few sticks. Perhaps longer esters might be an easier route first time out but if your not worried about pinning that regularly then that cycle will great. If you do have diet in check and know where your at training wise you will make some excellent gains with that cycle and also be able to trim the BF.
 
So im looking over this e-books from this link and im just wondering if anyone has read...

Secrects of mail order steroid success AND
George spellwins chemical wizardry

Any in put about these two? and does anyone recommend these?
 
theFEWthePROUD said:
So im looking over this e-books from this link and im just wondering if anyone has read...

Secrects of mail order steroid success AND good, but only if you know nothing about how everything works--

George spellwins chemical wizardry worth it--very good info all the basics + how to build advanced stacks

Any in put about these two? and does anyone recommend these?
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see above
 
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