first test cycle advice

[XMAN.]

AI/Serm combo worked great for me. I lost very little in PCT utilizing the following strategy:
HCG used during final 2 weeks of cycle + 1 week into PCT for a total of 3 weeks: 500iu 3 times per week.

Week 1: Aromasin 25mg ED & HCG 500iu 3 x per week
Weeks 2-3: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD & Nolvadex 10mg ED
Week 4: Nolvadex 10mg ED

not a bad protocol, but i still prefer running hcg during cycle, it's the same total amount but divided throughout the whole cycle, and it's confirmed by many studies now that it's the best way to use hcg effectively by mimicing the body natural LH secretion without the risk of desensitizing and the shutdown of the testes for prolonged time, u'll recover much faster.
as for aromasin for a test only cycle at this dose i think it's enough and clomid is more powerful than nolva , maybe more sides but not a concern at this low dose.

 

[Discreet User]

not a bad protocol, but i still prefer running hcg during cycle, it's the same total amount but divided throughout the whole cycle, and it's confirmed by many studies now that it's the best way to use hcg effectively by mimicing the body natural LH secretion without the risk of desensitizing and the shutdown of the testes for prolonged time, u'll recover much faster.
as for aromasin for a test only cycle at this dose i think it's enough and clomid is more powerful than nolva , maybe more sides but not a concern at this low dose.

I agree, it does appear that HCG use on-cycle is better supported by science than end of cycle, or post-cycle use.

The only reason I didn't use it throughout the cycle was because my doctor would only prescribe HCG for PCT use.

Here's a link to a good article on HCG and its positive effects on sperm production on-cycle: Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression -- Coviello et al. 90 (5): 2595 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism

 

[XMAN.]

I agree, it does appear that HCG use on-cycle is better supported by science than end of cycle, or post-cycle use.

The only reason I didn't use it throughout the cycle was because my doctor would only prescribe HCG for PCT use.

Here's a link to a good article on HCG and its positive effects on sperm production on-cycle: Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression -- Coviello et al. 90 (5): 2595 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism

how many times do u cycle and do pct a year?
just want to c how long do u stay suppressed b4 hitting hcg.
cuz when we talk about short cycles like 8-10 weekers like twice a year the hcg at the end of the cycle approach will do the job, but for ppl staying on all year long (HRT) and blast and cruise always it won't do.

 

[Discreet User]

how many times do u cycle and do pct a year?
just want to c how long do u stay suppressed b4 hitting hcg.
cuz when we talk about short cycles like 8-10 weekers like twice a year the hcg at the end of the cycle approach will do the job, but for ppl staying on all year long (HRT) and blast and cruise always it won't do.

I've been training for years, but just recently got into the AAS game.

This past summer I did my first cycle. 400mg Test Cyp per week & .5mg Arimidex EOD for 10 weeks.

Everything I do is doctor monitored with proper blood-work and prescribed by my local physician.

 

[XMAN.]

I've been training for years, but just recently got into the AAS game.

This past summer I did my first cycle. 400mg Test Cyp per week & .5mg Arimidex EOD for 10 weeks.

Everything I do is doctor monitored with proper blood-work and prescribed by my local physician.

good for u bro nice to know ur taking the proper measures , stay safe

 

[nikolaf7]

makes sense bro, so I'll run creatine 2 months before the cycle, then stop on cycle, then start again for pct. would I better off at 500 mg test and cutn the cycle to say 9 weeks or slowly increase through 12 like Uve suggested?

Creatine is the cheapest stuff in your cycle, why stopping it? If howewer you spend all money on other things than make sure u have it for pct, but if not - use it everyday 5gr a day, then on cycle bump it to 15gr, after cycle lower it back to 5-10gr and cruise all year.

If your not using some specialised stuff like need2guard, then be sure to stack some strong multivitamin/mineral(i use dymatize super multi), and omega 3 4gr a day.

And for me the most important - stack protein powder. Whey for post workout meal, blend(whey+casein) for every other time especially before sleep. It really helps if you cant eat that much, and you must eat much more

Stick with the 10 weeks solo test this time and forget about orals...there is a place for them in you second cycle

 

[gymjunkie09]

Creatine is the cheapest stuff in your cycle, why stopping it? If howewer you spend all money on other things than make sure u have it for pct, but if not - use it everyday 5gr a day, then on cycle bump it to 15gr, after cycle lower it back to 5-10gr and cruise all year.

If your not using some specialised stuff like need2guard, then be sure to stack some strong multivitamin/mineral(i use dymatize super multi), and omega 3 4gr a day.

And for me the most important - stack protein powder. Whey for post workout meal, blend(whey+casein) for every other time especially before sleep. It really helps if you cant eat that much, and you must eat much more

Stick with the 10 weeks solo test this time and forget about orals...there is a place for them in you second cycle

yeah I changed my mind about the creatine, I'm gonna grab the creatine stack that needtobuildmuscle put together, looks legit. and I always have whey protein on hand, just filled my kitchen with brown rice, broccoli, eggs, pb, steak an chicken......time to get my weight up bro

 

[gymjunkie09]

btw u can use some supplements to help u recover and preserve ur muscles as much as possible , like creatine , tribulus ,nitric oxide....
and a small dose of Clenbuterol 20-40 mcg/ed (1 or 2 Tabs).

p.s : the addition of proviron 50mg/ed starting mid cycle will be beneficial too as it controls estrogen (which helps u recover faster later during pct) and give ur test a boost (as it lower SHBG and free up more test for anabolism)

is it still safe to run the beastdrol for the first for weeks when adding proviron mid cycle?

 

[Sully169]

while i am not as experienced as the other guys on this site i am currently on a cycle (monitored by a doc) this is my first test cycle ... ran a deca and winni about 5 years ago .. good gains but no pct and crashed ... but this time running hgh and test .... feeling great and body is just being to change .... hgh (3 ius daily) about 4 months deep and 6 weeks on the test (300mg weekly) ... was using creatine monohydrate 5 g daily along with protein and glutamine but i was retaining so much water ... my fingers were swelling and wasnt feeling good at due to it ... i am thinking i am going to incorporate it into my pct to help me keep my strength gains ... just wanted to throw my 2 cents into this very informative thread ...

stats: 225lb 6 ft 15% bf
10 years on and off training ... 28 yo

pct : since i am being monitored by a doc i havent discussed anything yet but i hear all about using hcg through out the whole process ... im thinking i wanted to add that ... and also thinking about winni ... anything thoughts or suggestions .... most likely stay with what i am doing for this time around right???

 

[Discreet User]

while i am not as experienced as the other guys on this site i am currently on a cycle (monitored by a doc) this is my first test cycle ... ran a deca and winni about 5 years ago .. good gains but no pct and crashed ... but this time running hgh and test .... feeling great and body is just being to change .... hgh (3 ius daily) about 4 months deep and 6 weeks on the test (300mg weekly) ... was using creatine monohydrate 5 g daily along with protein and glutamine but i was retaining so much water ... my fingers were swelling and wasnt feeling good at due to it ... i am thinking i am going to incorporate it into my pct to help me keep my strength gains ... just wanted to throw my 2 cents into this very informative thread ...

stats: 225lb 6 ft 15% bf
10 years on and off training ... 28 yo

pct : since i am being monitored by a doc i havent discussed anything yet but i hear all about using hcg through out the whole process ... im thinking i wanted to add that ... and also thinking about winni ... anything thoughts or suggestions .... most likely stay with what i am doing for this time around right???

Talk to your Doc about an Aromasin & Nolvadex combination for pct.

Regarding HCG, the consensus these days is that HCG should be used low-dose throughout the cycle. It is commonly accepted that 500iu is the maximum that should be injected at any one time. However, some argue that doses as low as 300iu are the maximum that should be used in one dose. It is not risk free. The risk of natural LH desensitization does exist, and the risk increases with the amount used.

I recently used hcg with great success. Final two weeks of cycle, plus 1 week post cycle for a total of 3 weeks at 3 injections per week. 500iu per injection.