first test cycle advice

[gymjunkie09]

yes throughout the whole cycle (start week 2) , and yes on the same day as test u only have to pin twice a week this way, and stop it same as test at the end of the cycle, wait for a week and start pct.

o.k.:.......so

weeks 1-12: 200-250 mg test twice a week

weeks 2-12: 250 I.u. hcg

weeks 1-4: 3 caps beast ed

weeks 1-4: forged liver support


am I missing anything here? maybe creatine, or should I run creatine for a couple months before cycle?

 

[JBEXT81]

Needto had a really good post about creatine and a waste of money or not (or something close to that was the title) do a search and im sure u'll find it. After reading that make ur decision

 

[XMAN.]

o.k.:.......so

weeks 1-12: 200-250 mg test twice a week

weeks 2-12: 250 I.u. hcg

weeks 1-4: 3 caps beast ed

weeks 1-4: forged liver support


am I missing anything here? maybe creatine, or should I run creatine for a couple months before cycle?

sounds good , but ur gains will stall on the same dose of test around week 8 , i think u should increase ur dose mid cycle if u want to continue gaining on a 12 week cycle or stick to 10 weeks max.
if u insist on running it for 12 weeks i think u should start with 250mg/week for the first half cycle week 1-6 (u r already running an oral and 250 is good for a first timer) then 500mg week 7-12. this way u won't saturate ur receptors from the begining and ur body won't adapt to the 500 dose from the start make use of the minimal dose first.

creatine is good to add as a supplement but i prefer if u keep it for later during pct , u'll need the extra help to preserve as much muscle as u can.

 

[gymjunkie09]

sounds good , but ur gains will stall on the same dose of test around week 8 , i think u should increase ur dose mid cycle if u want to continue gaining on a 12 week cycle or stick to 10 weeks max.
if u insist on running it for 12 weeks i think u should start with 250mg/week for the first half cycle week 1-6 (u r already running an oral and 250 is good for a first timer) then 500mg week 7-12. this way u won't saturate ur receptors from the begining and ur body won't adapt to the 500 dose from the start make use of the minimal dose first.

creatine is good to add as a supplement but i prefer if u keep it for later during pct , u'll need the extra help to preserve as much muscle as u can.

makes sense bro, so I'll run creatine 2 months before the cycle, then stop on cycle, then start again for pct. would I better off at 500 mg test and cutn the cycle to say 9 weeks or slowly increase through 12 like Uve suggested?

 

[XMAN.]

makes sense bro, so I'll run creatine 2 months before the cycle, then stop on cycle, then start again for pct. would I better off at 500 mg test and cutn the cycle to say 9 weeks or slowly increase through 12 like Uve suggested?

i think it's better if u slowly increase even at a 9 or 10 weeker too, since it's ur first time try the minimum amount first maybe u'll gain alot with that, wait for 5 weeks at least then if u feel u need more then increase it.
imo keep it at 10 week max at 250 and increase it to 500 mid cycle.
minimum dose with minimum time, learn how ur body respond to it then plan wisely ur future cycles, this will be ur TEST.

 

[gymjunkie09]

i think it's better if u slowly increase even at a 9 or 10 weeker too, since it's ur first time try the minimum amount first maybe u'll gain alot with that, wait for 5 weeks at least then if u feel u need more then increase it.
imo keep it at 10 week max at 250 and increase it to 500 mid cycle.
minimum dose with minimum time, learn how ur body respond to it then plan wisely ur future cycles, this will be ur TEST.

cool, Will do, appreciate all the advice. think I got it down, jus need to plan out pct now

 

[XMAN.]

cool, Will do, appreciate all the advice. think I got it down, jus need to plan out pct now

the best PCT is a combination of a low dose of an AI and a Serm the synergy works well with least sides.

AI: Aromasin (exemestane), Arimidex (anastrozole), Femara (letrozole)

Serm: Clomid (clomiphene), Nolvadex (Tamoxifen), Fareston (toremifene)

example of a 4 week PCT:
Aromasin week 1: 12.5mg (half a tab) /ED , week 2-4: 12.5mg/eod
Clomid week 1-4: 50mg (1 tab)/ED

 

[XMAN.]

btw u can use some supplements to help u recover and preserve ur muscles as much as possible , like creatine , tribulus ,nitric oxide....
and a small dose of Clenbuterol 20-40 mcg/ed (1 or 2 Tabs).

p.s : the addition of proviron 50mg/ed starting mid cycle will be beneficial too as it controls estrogen (which helps u recover faster later during pct) and give ur test a boost (as it lower SHBG and free up more test for anabolism)

 

[gymjunkie09]

btw u can use some supplements to help u recover and preserve ur muscles as much as possible , like creatine , tribulus ,nitric oxide....
and a small dose of Clenbuterol 20-40 mcg/ed (1 or 2 Tabs).

p.s : the addition of proviron 50mg/ed starting mid cycle will
be beneficial too as it controls estrogen (which helps u recover faster later during pct) and give ur test a boost (as it lower SHBG and free up more test for anabolism)

good shit bro, ive heard good things about proviron. ill throw it in the mix as well. I'm not big on n.o. products, I think they are jus overpriced caffeine, but I could be wrong. I've never tried needto's either

 

[Discreet User]

the best PCT is a combination of a low dose of an AI and a Serm the synergy works well with least sides.

AI: Aromasin (exemestane), Arimidex (anastrozole), Femara (letrozole)

Serm: Clomid (clomiphene), Nolvadex (Tamoxifen), Fareston (toremifene)

example of a 4 week PCT:
Aromasin week 1: 12.5mg (half a tab) /ED , week 2-4: 12.5mg/eod
Clomid week 1-4: 50mg (1 tab)/ED

AI/Serm combo worked great for me. I lost very little in PCT utilizing the following strategy:
HCG used during final 2 weeks of cycle + 1 week into PCT for a total of 3 weeks: 500iu 3 times per week.

Week 1: Aromasin 25mg ED & HCG 500iu 3 x per week
Weeks 2-3: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD & Nolvadex 10mg ED
Week 4: Nolvadex 10mg ED