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first gh shot :) .. questions

elitetoxin

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So i finally got me three jin kits (will buy more for min 6 months), and shot my first 10iu yesterday morning..
Now the plan was to follow a e3d injection cycle, cause of advice from a few convincing ppl.. 10iu e3d would average me at 25iu's a week, wich is my aim.

But ... e3d ? oppinions on that ? how many read and agree with the arguments for such administration strategy AND use them themselves ?

;)
 
If you shot 10iu's your FIRST day you are in for a world of sides IMO. I would ramp up to a dose like that and even then I would split the doses into 2 shots at least 8 hours apart.
 
Im still not jumping on this EOD or E3D HGH bandwagon, i think you should just take 3 ius per day split up morning and evening. but thats just my oppinion.

10 the first day and this is your first go around, that wouldn't have been my choice but you'll have to live with it now!
 
I am with drrman on this one.
The 5/2 seems to be a proven method and it works.
Why not try that out for the first time.
Start by using 2 ius a day and bump it up.
Find Redbarons write up on GH, its very good.
 
elitetoxin said:
So i finally got me three jin kits (will buy more for min 6 months), and shot my first 10iu yesterday morning..
Now the plan was to follow a e3d injection cycle, cause of advice from a few convincing ppl.. 10iu e3d would average me at 25iu's a week, wich is my aim.

But ... e3d ? oppinions on that ? how many read and agree with the arguments for such administration strategy AND use them themselves ?

;)

Just curious to know if you feel anything different after injecting 10 iu in one shot? Do you inject IM or sub Q?
 
Allright .. before everyone joins in on the noob smashin, lets examine the evidence.
Now my line of work is of exact reasoning, wich means that i may have a tendency to conclude in a boolean manner when grey should have been applied. Thats an error on me, but still let me try;

1. 10iu's e3d averages 25iu a week or just over 3iu ED. From my studying, i have read no reports of trouble handling 3iu per day quite on the other hand its considered a very LOW dose.
2. Now i realize that while sitting on 3 kits, i cannot shoot up 300iu at once and expect it to be the same as a moderate dose over a three moth period(thats the principle of the obvious counterargument)
3. In my readings on fake/counterfit'et gh, one thing kept reoccuring, the one way bro's knew they had the read deal was the onset of sides, or rather one, the first side; the carpal tunnel syndrome, or more precise symptoms of it. That should be after about 14 days of usage.
4. Neither have i encountered writing suggesting that the body should need time to 'adapt' to the new levels of hgh. The reason for gradually upping the dose would be to approximate your capacity(static) without sides.
5. So i take these 14 days and calculate that on the E3D scheme i would have shot 5 times for about 50iu's. I assumed that divided in 5 dosages it would be enough to normalize the curve(so not to make the number 2 foo), especially listening to the eod and e3d crowd.

Now i HAVE read, and i HAVE reasoned over it, but must admit that the above is my own thought constructs, and thus applied to the noob factor, and error is not unthinkable.

Should the facts, rules and applied reasoning on the other hand NOT be in error, and I apply your statements to the mix, that can mean a few things, perhaps the most obvious one being : You believe the EOD and E3D approaches to be shit!

Request for comments ?

edit: as reply to rock
For different reasons i didnt catch more than 4 hours sleep last night, but still i have been unusual tired .. i've read this can be a side and if it continues T4 could come in question. However its a problem that i know this, it means im a serious candidate for placebo.
When i say tired, i mean very tired and thats even on a lil ephedra and caffein.
 
http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-forum/gh-faq-info-134223896.html

"If you want some fat spot-reduction, like in the "love-handles" or abs for example, it's best to take the GH under the skin, "sub-q". Just shoot up in different areas and rotate the shots. For example, upper abs, middle abs, lower abs, love-handles and then repeat. Again, do it under the skin, sub-q ... NOT actually IN the abdominal muscle."

"If you want some site-specific muscle growth ... let's say you want bigger shoulders, then shoot up in the muscle. If you're not fat, all you need is a half-inch needle, 27-29 gauge will do. Rotate between front, side and rear delts for example."

- Site specific muscle growth ? i was under the impression that site specific growth was a relatively new possibilty, not counting synthol, with low doses of long r3 igf pwo..
I really wish such articles came with references .. :rainbow:
 
I wouldn't shoot every third day. The fact remains that when dealing with hormones, the more stable and elevated the levels are the more growth and fat loss you will have.
 
elitetoxin said:
Allright .. before everyone joins in on the noob smashin, lets examine the evidence.
Now my line of work is of exact reasoning, wich means that i may have a tendency to conclude in a boolean manner when grey should have been applied. Thats an error on me, but still let me try;

1. 10iu's e3d averages 25iu a week or just over 3iu ED. From my studying, i have read no reports of trouble handling 3iu per day quite on the other hand its considered a very LOW dose.
2. Now i realize that while sitting on 3 kits, i cannot shoot up 300iu at once and expect it to be the same as a moderate dose over a three moth period(thats the principle of the obvious counterargument)
3. In my readings on fake/counterfit'et gh, one thing kept reoccuring, the one way bro's knew they had the read deal was the onset of sides, or rather one, the first side; the carpal tunnel syndrome, or more precise symptoms of it. That should be after about 14 days of usage.
4. Neither have i encountered writing suggesting that the body should need time to 'adapt' to the new levels of hgh. The reason for gradually upping the dose would be to approximate your capacity(static) without sides.
5. So i take these 14 days and calculate that on the E3D scheme i would have shot 5 times for about 50iu's. I assumed that divided in 5 dosages it would be enough to normalize the curve(so not to make the number 2 foo), especially listening to the eod and e3d crowd.

Now i HAVE read, and i HAVE reasoned over it, but must admit that the above is my own thought constructs, and thus applied to the noob factor, and error is not unthinkable.

Should the facts, rules and applied reasoning on the other hand NOT be in error, and I apply your statements to the mix, that can mean a few things, perhaps the most obvious one being : You believe the EOD and E3D approaches to be shit!

Request for comments ?

edit: as reply to rock
For different reasons i didnt catch more than 4 hours sleep last night, but still i have been unusual tired .. i've read this can be a side and if it continues T4 could come in question. However its a problem that i know this, it means im a serious candidate for placebo.
When i say tired, i mean very tired and thats even on a lil ephedra and caffein.


I want some of whatever you were smoking when you wrote this. :rasta:
 
nicotin free for 5 years man .. need to let that shit go.

seriously man, instead of doing that, how about being a little constructive? Point at the error(s) and explain ?
 
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elitetoxin said:
Allright .. before everyone joins in on the noob smashin, lets examine the evidence.
Now my line of work is of exact reasoning, wich means that i may have a tendency to conclude in a boolean manner when grey should have been applied. Thats an error on me, but still let me try;

1. 10iu's e3d averages 25iu a week or just over 3iu ED. From my studying, i have read no reports of trouble handling 3iu per day quite on the other hand its considered a very LOW dose.

It all depends on what your goal is. 3iu is not a high dose but more a normal dose range. There are several theories on how to inject. I think you just have to try to see what works for you. I inject 5/2.

2. Now i realize that while sitting on 3 kits, i cannot shoot up 300iu at once and expect it to be the same as a moderate dose over a three moth period(thats the principle of the obvious counterargument)

Not sure what you are saying here expect for the very obvious and I am not sure I understand why you would point that out?

3. In my readings on fake/counterfit'et gh, one thing kept reoccuring, the one way bro's knew they had the read deal was the onset of sides, or rather one, the first side; the carpal tunnel syndrome, or more precise symptoms of it. That should be after about 14 days of usage.

For me the sides kicks in much faster if I am on AAS too. I contribute that to the extra water that I hold on AAS. I hold water like a camel. When I started up again about 3 months ago I did not have much of sides after 2 weeks. Now my fingers are falling a sleep and is tingleing when I type this.

4. Neither have i encountered writing suggesting that the body should need time to 'adapt' to the new levels of hgh. The reason for gradually upping the dose would be to approximate your capacity(static) without sides.

The reason for the starting slow is related to sides. I started at 2iu this time.


5. So i take these 14 days and calculate that on the E3D scheme i would have shot 5 times for about 50iu's. I assumed that divided in 5 dosages it would be enough to normalize the curve(so not to make the number 2 foo), especially listening to the eod and e3d crowd.

Now i HAVE read, and i HAVE reasoned over it, but must admit that the above is my own thought constructs, and thus applied to the noob factor, and error is not unthinkable.

Should the facts, rules and applied reasoning on the other hand NOT be in error, and I apply your statements to the mix, that can mean a few things, perhaps the most obvious one being : You believe the EOD and E3D approaches to be shit!

Request for comments ?
Run the cycle you think might work for you. 5/2, EOD or E3D, just try it. I think they all work.

edit: as reply to rock
For different reasons i didnt catch more than 4 hours sleep last night, but still i have been unusual tired .. i've read this can be a side and if it continues T4 could come in question. However its a problem that i know this, it means im a serious candidate for placebo.
When i say tired, i mean very tired and thats even on a lil ephedra and caffein.

I did get tired in the begining. I usually run 12.5 -25mg T3 ED while using GH. It seems to help. After my last GH cycle, I think it was for about 8 months or so I had blod tests done a few months later and thyroid was working as expected.
 
I have not read enough about EOD or E3D to comment on that. However in my experience with my first go around only taking 1iu a day 1/2 am and half pm. I can say that for the first 2 weeks I was completely bagged so tired all the time. I had to hit the fatburners hard just keep me alert and oh my wrists killed. After two weeks though I think my body adjusted as the wrist stopped killing me and the constant need to sleep was not as strong. I am curious to see how you feel after that first injection.
 
Thanks for the constructive replies!

MorganKane ->
"It all depends on what your goal is. 3iu is not a high dose but more a normal dose range. There are several theories on how to inject. I think you just have to try to see what works for you. I inject 5/2."
- what protocols have you been through before settling on the 5/2 scheme ?

"Not sure what you are saying here expect for the very obvious and I am not sure I understand why you would point that out?"
- based on initial replies, i thought it neccesary to point out the obvious, thats all.

"I did get tired in the begining. I usually run 12.5 -25mg T3 ED while using GH. It seems to help. After my last GH cycle, I think it was for about 8 months or so I had blod tests done a few months later and thyroid was working as expected."
- did you run T3 for the entire 8 months straight??





i've shot three times by now 10-0-0-5-5-0

-the days after the 10iu shot i got a little hypo the first couple of days. This was an expected side.
-Since then i've grown tired .. sometimes very tired.
-Today my knees started killing me, they're troublemakers allready, so this im not happy about, but it has subsided towards evening(the dreaded joint pain?)
-no sleepyhands or tickeling yet.



Based on the fact that the eod and e3d is not yet a proven-proven technology (a top contender at olympia should follow this admin protocol), i'll change the administration pattern to
5-5-0-5-5-0-
with respect to some of the theory behind infrequent administration i might go
3-7-0-3-7-0 or similar
I may also add T4 to the mix (kind of afraid of T3)
around february ill add a little var and test to the mix.


also, being the beginner, i've problary not recieved the FULL dose, as the reconstitution process has proven to be a somewhat challenging task, even though i left no air in the syringe with the sterile water and a firm grib, the vacuum STILL manges to flush some down and make a little foam.. this on the third vial! NEXT time im pumping 2cc's of air into that bitch before adding water!


Shit i dont get
- Why shoot just after training? any practical experience suggesting this to be an good idea, or is it just 'intuitively right'
- Why shoot in the morning (i do this right now)? I know, its so not to supress your own production. But dont you do that anyway ? And perhaps there's a reason our own bodys release peaks about 2 hours into our sleep ? (by intuition just-before-bed shots make the most sense to me! or maybe even during .. set clock to 3-4 hours into sleep, shoot, go back to sleep)
 
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