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First few seconds street fight VS a boxer, need pointers

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WTF bro? This is a street fight!

1. Get a baseball bat and go for the knees

2. Dive for his knees, overwhelm him with your mass and pummel him in the face.... done
 
okay well, its going to happen, so i need to prepare my self or prety much know what to do, this guys been boxing for a few years now, and the last few days hes been chasing me around town trying to get me to fight him. now personally ive never been a fighter, but i dont really have a choice any more. hes 6' 1" 175lbs im 6' 190 lean, hes a drunko and a pot head so even what hes got is some fat but hes quick. I know if im going to fight him and win i cant let him fight a boxers fight, hes a prety dirty fighter and will do about anything he can to win. My first insticnt would probably be to go for a shot to the stomach then try and grab him by the back and throw a knee in there with all i have and knock the wind out of him, so then he has about 30seconds to 1min to be concious and throw his punches. i can throw a punch or 2 with my left but nothing i would be relying on winning a fight with, mainly im right hand dominant thats why i was thinking one throw then a knee and if that took him out go for a coupple face shots. anyways im not an experienced fighter like i said but this is somthing thats going to happened and all i can to is be ready for it, any help would be appreciated, thanks guys
 
get him down and pummel his face with eblows and hammerfists, not much dancing a boxer can do on the ground.....LOL..... been though this before
 
revexrevex said:
WTF bro? This is a street fight!

1. Get a baseball bat and go for the knees

2. Dive for his knees, overwhelm him with your mass and pummel him in the face.... done
well i always carry a switchblade with me anyways but if i pull it im prety much fucked and in jail soooo..
 
don't fight him, but if you have to take him to the ground asap.
 
revexrevex said:
get him down and pummel his face with eblows and hammerfists, not much dancing a boxer can do on the ground.....LOL..... been though this before
just charge him and take him down and hope i end up landing more punches?
 
okay wait, let me ask you this, if im somewhere and he busts in threatening to beat me down kill me etc. what ever, would it be considered self defense to pull a knife?
 
1) How will this fight probably go down?

2) Will it be a "meet you at the park at 3:00 kind of fight? These fights will usually have a "squaring up/posturing" type start to it. This will also give him an element where he may be able to box you to death.

3) Will it be a catch you at a crowded bar sucker punch kind of fight?

4) Are there going to be a bunch of his guys and your guys going along?



A boxer may not necessarilly want to "box", he may be a good streetfighter as well and know how to fight dirty.

If he does want to "box", and there is enough room for him to move, and there is a "squaring up" start to the fight, he may have the advantage if you play his game. DON'T play that game. Don't dance with him and let him pepper you mercilessly. Maybe dance around with him with your hands in a boxeresque type stance for a second then shoot for a double leg as soon as you see an opening. You'll hopefully fool him into thinking he's lured you into his game. After you take him down you've taken his weapons away, mount him, then proceed to jackhammer his face in.


If it is a confrontation at a bar or other close quarter type senario, then whoever hits first, hits hardest, and hits the most will probably win. I would have no shame in going up to the guy and saying "hey, what's u.......?" then knocking his jaw off before I say "p".


If he comes up to you and confronts you first with a "hey what's up mother f....." I would knock his jaw off right there before he could finish the word "fucker".




There are sooo many scenarios that can happen and the nature of streetfights are as unpredictable as anything. By at least playing in your head a few "possible" scenarios before hand you can at least better prepare for your reaction.
 
throw the first punch, make it unexpected and very hard. Straight to the bridge of the nose... chances are he can hit harder than you and he's going to know how to block. I say u hit him SUPER hard right off the back then get him to the ground. Boxers aren't known for their wrestling ability...
 
GO FOR THE NUTS!!!!

I am not shitting you. Anyone with street-fighting experience will say the same thing. if not the nuts, then the kick his knees or punch his throat. All these moves should stun him enough to allow you to finish the job. Punches to the face may look pretty but they are pretty ineffective in a street fight.
 
shoot for a double leg ? whats that suposto meen? just dive at his legs? haha, i really have no idea where it will go down, he doesnt drive so he will probably have someone else with him,im usually by my self, it could be at a house where im hanging out, at the gas station, in town, at his work, the park, anywhere he can get ahold of me prety much, hes not one to talk, he just freaks out, he proably wont try talking he will just come swinging
 
1. Avoid it and maybe it will go away. He may also be taking your avoidance as fear (even if it is who cares) and that may actually inflame the situation.


If he is a boxer then DO NOT fight him on his field. Even down to the ground and he will still be punching. If he connects with some distance you may drop right down. If you do don’t sweat it. It happens.

If you come at him with a bat he’ll just back off. You just delayed the fight. What I found to work once. I got close and just kept head butting his face, nose, and mouth. I mean full force 10-20 times non-stop. My head was all fucked up but I made chop meat out of his face. Better then any fist would do.
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primetime21 said:
GO FOR THE NUTS!!!!

I am not shitting you. Anyone with street-fighting experience will say the same thing. if not the nuts, then the kick his knees or punch his throat. All these moves should stun him enough to allow you to finish the job. Punches to the face may look pretty but they are pretty ineffective in a street fight.
so if i throw a punch best place would be the neck? i dont want to colapse his throat, im a prety passive guy, i will walk a mile to avoid a fight if i have to but thats all he wants to do is fight and hes not going to let it go, its going to happen sooner or later
 
Bro, go for a tangled mess on the ground and just use your head, teeth, knees upward to crotch or side... anything... just go fucking crazy.. wail and flail your arms around... get him in some kind of "lock" - head lock, arm lock, wrist lock, and snatch back and forth...
 
Sorry tempest, "double leg" is short for a double leg takedown. A little more technique than a tackle or just diving for his legs. If he has no wrestling experience he may be open to even an ugly tackle/dive though. I, as well as a couple other guys here, mentioned taking the guy down because it would not be in your best interest to stand and trade blows with this guy. If you at least have some size and strength advantage on him you may be able to take him down, straddle him, and commence a beatdown on him. If he's on the ground, you've taken his best weapon away, his boxing. Just make sure you wont be open to his friends punting your head like a football.
 
Rush him with your hands/arms held up high,blocking your face,and try to get him to the ground as quick as possible.A boxer requires his feet to be planted on the ground to generate power.Take away his upright position,and he will no longer be able to rely on boxing skills.Also,while in close,hit him with other things besides punches,like headbutts,elbows,and knees.Boxers get real rattled by that type of shit,as they are used to fighting within a very limited section of rules.Mix up a lot of wrestling with striking,and you'll have a good chance at holding your own.Just don't get careless and leave yourself open.
 
tempest2003 said:
so if i throw a punch best place would be the neck? i dont want to colapse his throat, im a prety passive guy, i will walk a mile to avoid a fight if i have to but thats all he wants to do is fight and hes not going to let it go, its going to happen sooner or later

I would strongly suggest avoiding the fight. But if thats not an option you always want to go for the throat, eyes, knees and groin. Remember there are no rules. So if you decide to play it "passive" and he pummels youre ass, you are going to wish you had gone for his knees or groin.

If you can get something in his eyes that would disorient him (even spitting in his face would distract him a little giving you an edge). If you dont want to go that route i would go for his knees or groin since they are easy targets. The throat is VERY efficient and will knock him out for a few seconds, but its hard to get to.
 
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1. Avoid it and maybe it will go away. He may also be taking your avoidance as fear (even if it is who cares) and that may actually inflame the situation.


If he is a boxer then DO NOT fight him on his field. Even down to the ground and he will still be punching. If he connects with some distance you may drop right down. If you do don’t sweat it. It happens.

If you come at him with a bat he’ll just back off. You just delayed the fight. What I found to work once. I got close and just kept head butting his face, nose, and mouth. I mean full force 10-20 times non-stop. My head was all fucked up but I made chop meat out of his face. Better then any fist would do.
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I had a 2 year old kid sitting on my lap facing away,the little kid rocked back quickly and his little head caught me square on the nose..that hurt like a motherfucker,I mean it hurt bad..I was thinking soon after how debilitating that quik shot was,and if you could follow it up quick how well you would have the upper hand
 
The first thing you should do (to potentially save your ass later), is go to the local authorities and file a report that he has threatened you (just put it on file, the authorities do not need to act on it...). This will give you leverage later that he was the aggressor and could mean the difference between you facing potential charges or walking away with it being in self defense...
 
When I was a senior in high school I had this guy that wanted to kick my ass. He was like 22 years old and was in some "work apprenticeship" program that was offered at my school. He would walk by my classrooms and look through the little window and point at me. He would wait for me after each of my classes and follow me to the next. Luckily I always had a NUMBER of my boys with me so he never would make a move. He would always say "you wont always have your boys with you" " I'm going to get you one of these days" etc etc.


I swallowed my pride, avoided fighting him at all costs and even sent letteres to the pricipal and the person in charge of the program he was in. It did nothing but piss him off more.


After consulting my father about the situation we came to the conclusion that there was only one way to end it, I had to fight. I would either win or lose but it would at least end my torment.


I met with my friends that morning and told them not to walk with me that day. I somehow avoided him till after 3rd period where he was waiting for me as usual. When the class ended I gathered up my books in my hand and walked out right into his verbal abuse and physical intimidation. As soon as I got outside I finally stopped, looked at him and said "Ok mother fucker, you ready?" As soon as he charged me I flung my Hardcover English book square at his face. He put his hands up to block it and as he did that I took him down via a double leg, nounted him, and began the most viscious beatdwon I'd ever unleased on anyone.


Was my book throw technique effective? I think so. Took his attention away from me and his legs which allowed the beatdwon to commence.


Maybe try a similiar technique with what you might have on your body at the time. Distraction followed by takedown then beatdwon.
 
"A boxer requires his feet to be planted on the ground to generate power"

wrong.

Why does everyone on this board assume that a Boxer doesnt stand a chance against a grappler??

99% of the time a Boxer was a street fighter long before he became a boxer.

I have trained as a boxer for 10 years, I've fought MANY juiced up assholes that thought their vanity strenght and "grappling" ability would take me down.

All it takes are some quick precise punches to their nose and they are asleep before they hit the ground.

you people are going to get this kid fucked up, Take my advice bro you're not going to win against this guy with some tips from all the "experts" on this board.

Avoid him or plan on using a weapon.
 
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tempest2003 said:
okay well, its going to happen, so i need to prepare my self or prety much know what to do, this guys been boxing for a few years now, and the last few days hes been chasing me around town trying to get me to fight him. now personally ive never been a fighter, but i dont really have a choice any more. hes 6' 1" 175lbs im 6' 190 lean, hes a drunko and a pot head so even what hes got is some fat but hes quick. I know if im going to fight him and win i cant let him fight a boxers fight, hes a prety dirty fighter and will do about anything he can to win. My first insticnt would probably be to go for a shot to the stomach then try and grab him by the back and throw a knee in there with all i have and knock the wind out of him, so then he has about 30seconds to 1min to be concious and throw his punches. i can throw a punch or 2 with my left but nothing i would be relying on winning a fight with, mainly im right hand dominant thats why i was thinking one throw then a knee and if that took him out go for a coupple face shots. anyways im not an experienced fighter like i said but this is somthing thats going to happened and all i can to is be ready for it, any help would be appreciated, thanks guys

Buddy, I'm a boxer myself, and believe me when I tell you that: you are not going to win. Don't even try. In fact, if you want to save on doctor bills, on doctors that will be trying to fix your jaw, which will be broken, avoid the fight at all costs. The best thing you can do is either avoid the fight, OR become a boxer yourself. I'm just telling all that to you because you internet people are all kindof dear to me because you think the same way I do, and you are after the same thing I am after: strength and size. I like that. To sum it up, all you can do is to try to be enough of a challenge for this boxer bro. Hell, who knows, you might get lucky and break HIS jaw, instead of him breaking yours. ha ha ha. Just get some fighting experience before you face this man. That is my advice.
 
primetime21 said:
GO FOR THE NUTS!!!!

I am not shitting you. Anyone with street-fighting experience will say the same thing. if not the nuts, then the kick his knees or punch his throat. All these moves should stun him enough to allow you to finish the job. Punches to the face may look pretty but they are pretty ineffective in a street fight.

I agree with that. The punches in the face ar ineffective unless you know where to hit. which I'm sure this boxer bro does. You are not going to win. face it. the only thing you could do is to get a baseball bat and to hit him with it when he least expects it. but that would be cheap, and not cool (in my eyes). If you did that to me, I would hubt you down and cut your throat, motherfucker. I'm sorry, I'm a little emotional tonight. But think about it, my friend. Keep in mind that h might be a good street fighter like many of us. Hell, this macho sport (bodybuilding/powerlifting) is just one of the composites of being a real man that all of us are, no doubt. So, I just want to say: be careful, friend.
 
First thing RELAX. I am sure you have a "personal space". If this individual crosses it than you must attack. I do not know your capabilities so the point of attack relies with your strength i.e. striking/grappling. Attack and think. Use smart and effective strikes and be wary of your guard. Use your instincts.
 
just avoid the fight.
dont try to tackle him when your 10 feet away, he'll just side-step and give you some hooks, and youll be fuct. just avoid the fucker. you cant learn to fight in a couple of days. especially from the net, no amount of advice given to you will prepare you for the real thing, which is ALOT faster, all this advice wont even cross your mind.
just avoid him and take some self defense classes, where youll meet some instructors who will get your back. peace

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The most important thing is have a clear mind on what your doing. Look for the weak spot, cazy punching is just that. Neck is open, choke the fucker out. No leg defense, take his legs out from under him. Get on top of him, put your thumbs in his mouth and push down till his cheeks rip off. Many options.
 
another thought. Your better off just fronting this guy in a bar or night club. Most likely fight time won't be long till someone breaks it up. So even if your losing it won't be that bad. Some times just the fact that your willing to fight will end the problem or a short fight with no real out come is enough to end the problem.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Rush him with your hands/arms held up high,blocking your face,and try to get him to the ground as quick as possible.A boxer requires his feet to be planted on the ground to generate power.Take away his upright position,and he will no longer be able to rely on boxing skills.Also,while in close,hit him with other things besides punches,like headbutts,elbows,and knees.Boxers get real rattled by that type of shit,as they are used to fighting within a very limited section of rules.Mix up a lot of wrestling with striking,and you'll have a good chance at holding your own.Just don't get careless and leave yourself open.

Same advice but different.

I've been boxing for a long time... practicing different martial arts for almost 30 years. There is an indisputable element to fighting called "slobbing it" that rarely gets discussed.

Slobbing it is using the weight of your body as a projectile. (This was demonstrated aptly in a UFC fight when a total idiot beat a good fighter just by rushing him.)

Steps:

1. Stop being afraid. Getting punched is not a big deal and it doesn't hurt.

2. Hold your hands up to cover your face.

3. Rush in head down and focus on his mid section... waist level.

4. Grab and keep running forward. The momentum will take you to the ground.

5. Get face to face and bite his face... cheek is okay... but nose is better. Bite hard and try to severe a piece of cartilage.

6. Work your thumb into his eye and try to pop the eye out.

7. Keep biting, eye gouging and whatever else you can do. A choke will finish the fight.

(To apply a good choke remember to pull your shoulders back.)
 
Without reading any of the replies, here's my advice. If forced to fight a skilled boxer, Do not let him get a punch off. Turn it into a grappling contest. Not that hard to do if you are quick and strong. Charge and feint, protecting your vital areas. When he throws punch, he is left open for you to go for the neck. (Headlock) Apply pressure until he screams uncle, but don't let him up because he might be a cheating bastard as I've learned the hard way. If he started the fight, make sure he can't finish it. Take his arm and bend it behind his back until it snaps.
 
SofaGeorge said:


Same advice but different.

I've been boxing for a long time... practicing different martial arts for almost 30 years. There is an indisputable element to fighting called "slobbing it" that rarely gets discussed.

Slobbing it is using the weight of your body as a projectile. (This was demonstrated aptly in a UFC fight when a total idiot beat a good fighter just by rushing him.)

Steps:

1. Stop being afraid. Getting punched is not a big deal and it doesn't hurt.

2. Hold your hands up to cover your face.

3. Rush in head down and focus on his mid section... waist level.

4. Grab and keep running forward. The momentum will take you to the ground.

5. Get face to face and bite his face... cheek is okay... but nose is better. Bite hard and try to severe a piece of cartilage.

6. Work your thumb into his eye and try to pop the eye out.

7. Keep biting, eye gouging and whatever else you can do. A choke will finish the fight.

(To apply a good choke remember to pull your shoulders back.)

This is where strength comes into play. In my one and only club fight, a guy tried this technique on me. He bull charged me and went for my legs. He wrapped his arms around my thighs and attempted to pick me up and drop me, but with my quick reactions and great strength, his plan was foiled. His head slid between my thighs and I began choking him with my thighs while pounding the back of his head like a jackhammer. I would have beat him into unconsciousness, but the bouncers separated us. THe adrenaline was pumping so fast, I can't remember how we ended up on the other side of the bar. He had shoved me and I immediately started throwing punches, I can't remember what happened in the seconds b4 we ended up on the other side of the bar, adrenaline black out I guess.
 
dude, he's a boxer, you won't win fighting fair. so i say fight dirty. spit in his eyes, kick him in the nutsack, then pound him into the ground. or just get a nice bat and break his face. that'll make him think twice about fuckin with you again.
 
best thread ever. Best advice is to just get a gun and find him and pistol whip the shit out of him. Get a pitbull too.
 
The Terminator said:
The first thing you should do (to potentially save your ass later), is go to the local authorities and file a report that he has threatened you (just put it on file, the authorities do not need to act on it...). This will give you leverage later that he was the aggressor and could mean the difference between you facing potential charges or walking away with it being in self defense...

What Terminator said........get it on file.

I love these threads.........everybodies an expert.

Tempest.....the guy sounds like he has always been punchy which means he has experience. Go get some training and try to avoid the fight.
 
supernav said:
45 magnum. No one fucks with a smith & weston.

There's no reason why you should chance even a scratch on your body, just because he's got inadequancy issues cuz he's got a small dick. Tell that your policy is that if anyone tries to even touch you --- you kill them. No ifs ands or butts.

and yes, the law IS on your side. It's called the self-defense clause. You have the right to shoot someone in a non-fatal maneuver.

-= nav =-

wtf dude arent you from cali? you use a gun on someone who doesnt have a gun and you'll be screwed
 
I like this board, and because I like it I'll try and help you out by giving it to you like it is. I, hopefully unlike you, had to learn the hard way, but that doesn't mean I should have or needed to.

First off, get real. Ever heard the term, "keep it real?" Well, ask yourself what the fuck you are doing asking self-defense advice from a bunch of internet logins in the first place, aside from showing how very green your cherry is. You don't know what to do, so you throw it out there and hope you get lucky.

Well, you did. I'm going to tell it to you like it is.

This isn't a duel between gentlemen. If it was, he wouldn't be running his mouth off and you wouldn't have asked for help. The two of you would have already settled it between you, face to face, showing the respect that someone desserving of it himself values.

With your attitude, you need to wise the fuck up or stick to dialing 911 when someone fucks with you. This isn't a ring with a ref, your corners, and security. If the problem was about who fights better, you could move it there.

This guy is running his mouth because he needs to get fucked up real good by someone for it and because he's pretty sure you are just going to bend over long enough for him to get his rocks off. Until he learns (everybody does eventually), he's enjoying all the phony respect he gets doing it. This is the perfect opportunity for you to learn the EASY way what he needs to learn the hard way.

Since its a private issue, YOU need to go and find HIM; preferably when he's alone or outnumbered. Why let him hunt for you? How fucking stupid is this? Think about it. What if he finds you at work, with a girl, or with friends or family?

Find out where he lives or where his girl does, or anywhere he's likely to be alone, post up with two or more big dudes or good friends, and have one of them stand outside the car (the less ghetto of your pals) to watch and talk to people. You can also have one of your girls bring him to you by playing the role. Chicks are so good at this.

When he shows up, have your friend smile and talk with him long enough to draw him close. Have your other friend(s) get out and join the conversation; boxing might be a good topic to discuss, or have your friend address him by name and act like a friend. Don't wait too long before you get out yourself. Don't be shy. You've got him by the balls, now.

Walk right up to his face, look him in the eye, and ask him why he's been running his mouth. Have one or two of your friends walk around the sides and stand behind him as you do this; arm's length. Unless he's got serious heart or is protecting someone else, he'll back down apologizing for the misunderstanding without pushing you back or swinging. If he does attack (he won't) your friends can grab him from behind before he can fuck you up too badly, and you can now choose whether to duct tape his ass to a chair (ankles and knees around two front legs of chair, stomach and chest around back of chair, and wrists behind back with tape running up around neck, mouth, ears, and forhead - head tilted back) or whatever the fuck you want; you could make a citizen's arrest and call the po-pos - you'll have witnesses to his attack and can take photos of his ass tied to the chair for later use.

The possibilities are endless, but try not to break any laws while you deal with him. Hopefully, what shouldn't take more than an hour to accomplish will end it before anyone gets hurt.

Until you can set it up, which shouldn't take more than one day from now, walk with a cane, a chain with a lock on it, or a bag with a glove, ball, a bottle of water, and a wooden bat with handle out the zipper in it too and from your car; a six foot chain with a master lock on the end can brain a fucking cow, so go easy.

90% of the time they just back down or tell it to you like it is without trying anything, the later being what anyone worth a shit would do not pissed or stupid enough to volunteer for a good fucking over. Remember, he's been running HIS mouth about YOU, and if you want to be able to walk and talk like you have a pair or at the very least learn how it feels to do so, you're going to have to earn it.
 
Getting punched is not a big deal and it doesn't hurt

True, but the next day it does. I don’t know what hurts more. The face or the hand that hit it. The next day my face hurts but my hands look like I am wearing mittens.

You hurt his pride by tapping his ex GF. That’s why he is so pissed and it’s probably eating him up inside. The only way he can sleep is knowing that he is better then you. To prove this he has to beat you down. I think that even if you do kick his ass it will still not end it.

Is there any way that you can turn the tables on this to make it appear that him fighting you will just make him look that much more like a loser? This may cause him to drop it.

I am just saying that you should avoid this at all cost. You can win and you can lose. Why bother with the gamble because you are going to hurt the same either way the next day.

Go to the police. They will most likely blow you off. Don’t let it end there. If you are blown off then get the police officers name and the desk sergeant’s name working that night. Time, date, and additional information. Depending on what state you live in you can now document it and have on record that you went there and was ignored.

Remember that the winner is the one who is always arrested.
 
Ok bro this is something i know about.I have had 8 yrs of intense hand to hand combat training. Example if I were to box a navy boxer he would chop me down like a cherry tree in 10 seconds or less.If it is a fight to win no rules i finish him in less then 5 seconds.Expect him to not posture at all.In other words expect the unexpected....he will crack you whithout even looking at you.If the fight is unavoidable.....you need to make the first move....plan your take down tradegy in advance so it comes automatically finish him on the ground.Know before hand how you intend to disable your opponent simultaneously upon getting him down.NO WRESTLING....take down and disable....DONE!
 
Keep it real, bro. Claws, fangs, fists, and guns may be weapons, but the mind is the greatest weapon you will ever possess if you learn how to use it.

Using your mind the right way means you don't fool yourself into believing you are prepared to fight a fighter after reading what a bunch of amateur fighters, at best, waste time typing here.
 
If he is right handed he will lead with his left leg when he comes at you. When he comes toward you take a couple steps backward
to bait him in, then stand your ground and when he gets close enough use the bottom of your foot and kick him in the knee (It doesn't take much pressure to hyperextend a knee joint)
He will try to protect his knee and when he does hit him with an uppercut from HELL! Then try to get your hands on him, with your weight advantage you will win.
Boxers can be deadly, and they will make you look like a fool, don't go crazy... keep a cool head.
Tjimmy
 
catharsis said:
When I was a senior in high school I had this guy that wanted to kick my ass. He was like 22 years old and was in some "work apprenticeship" program that was offered at my school. He would walk by my classrooms and look through the little window and point at me. He would wait for me after each of my classes and follow me to the next. Luckily I always had a NUMBER of my boys with me so he never would make a move. He would always say "you wont always have your boys with you" " I'm going to get you one of these days" etc etc.


I swallowed my pride, avoided fighting him at all costs and even sent letteres to the pricipal and the person in charge of the program he was in. It did nothing but piss him off more.


After consulting my father about the situation we came to the conclusion that there was only one way to end it, I had to fight. I would either win or lose but it would at least end my torment.


I met with my friends that morning and told them not to walk with me that day. I somehow avoided him till after 3rd period where he was waiting for me as usual. When the class ended I gathered up my books in my hand and walked out right into his verbal abuse and physical intimidation. As soon as I got outside I finally stopped, looked at him and said "Ok mother fucker, you ready?" As soon as he charged me I flung my Hardcover English book square at his face. He put his hands up to block it and as he did that I took him down via a double leg, nounted him, and began the most viscious beatdwon I'd ever unleased on anyone.


Was my book throw technique effective? I think so. Took his attention away from me and his legs which allowed the beatdwon to commence.


Maybe try a similiar technique with what you might have on your body at the time. Distraction followed by takedown then beatdwon.
you have read Pat Conroy excellent novel "The Great Santini"? your technique worked well for the son in the novel.
 
just take the ass whippin and get it over with, let the worst happen and see how much you can take, everyone has to be tested in life, and imo it is a bigger test of character if you can take a punch rather than throw one. No matter what just keep telling him more until he just thinks you are a crazy fuck....then you can get up and go home knowing that you had the balls to do what not many could have done. I think that pride and fear of embarrasment get in the way of most peoples natural ability and instinct to fight. Get rid of it now, and you'll never be scared of it again. The problem with so many guys is that they all want to fight and be the toughguy, but none of them want to lose....fuck it happens, no matter how badass you are.
 
TC2 said:
"A boxer requires his feet to be planted on the ground to generate power"

wrong.

Why does everyone on this board assume that a Boxer doesnt stand a chance against a grappler??

99% of the time a Boxer was a street fighter long before he became a boxer.

I have trained as a boxer for 10 years, I've fought MANY juiced up assholes that thought their vanity strenght and "grappling" ability would take me down.

All it takes are some quick precise punches to their nose and they are asleep before they hit the ground.

you people are going to get this kid fucked up, Take my advice bro you're not going to win against this guy with some tips from all the "experts" on this board.

Avoid him or plan on using a weapon.

WRONG...If you knew anything about the skill of boxing,you would retract that statement.Anyone who has ever boxed would not dispute the fact that LEVERAGE and punching power are created by planting your feet,hip rotation,shoulder snap...All requirements of a standing base.I boxed for many years as well,and also TAUGHT the sport.You could not be more wrong in your statements.
 
IronLion said:
just take the ass whippin and get it over with, let the worst happen and see how much you can take, everyone has to be tested in life, and imo it is a bigger test of character if you can take a punch rather than throw one. No matter what just keep telling him more until he just thinks you are a crazy fuck....then you can get up and go home knowing that you had the balls to do what not many could have done. I think that pride and fear of embarrasment get in the way of most peoples natural ability and instinct to fight. Get rid of it now, and you'll never be scared of it again. The problem with so many guys is that they all want to fight and be the toughguy, but none of them want to lose....fuck it happens, no matter how badass you are.

Losing well IS better, IMO, than losing badly, but this isn't checkers you're playing.

This, my friend, is some of the worst advice of the thread. Suppose you, while "learning" that you can survive a beating, lose a few teeth, lose an eye, or worse? I have scars on my face and a crooked nose I'd gladly trade in for whatever knowledge I gained in getting them.

The thing you need to learn is how to win, or at the very least how not to lose. Make sure YOU are in control and have whatever advantage you need to prevail.

Save losing well for checkers.
 
Assholes like this guy should be wiped off the face of the earth.

Kill the fucker, or, at the very least, cripple him for life. Make sure his pain is excrutiating and long term.

Any threat of violence should be met as if your life depended on it, because it IS entirely possible it might.

The Law is entirely too lenient when it comes to peoples' safety.

People are shit.








*It's been a rough week so forgive me if I seem a tad hostile *:mad: ;)
 
In this country that would get you locked up for sure..........

c-sharp minor said:
Assholes like this guy should be wiped off the face of the earth.

Kill the fucker, or, at the very least, cripple him for life. Make sure his pain is excrutiating and long term.

Any threat of violence should be met as if your life depended on it, because it IS entirely possible it might.

The Law is entirely too lenient when it comes to peoples' safety.

People are shit.








*It's been a rough week so forgive me if I seem a tad hostile *:mad: ;)
 
Okay...just for fun I will throw my 2 cents in here. Lots of guys on here sound pretty tough, some real tough so their advice may be what you want to follow.

First of all - don't get in a fight without realizing that even "non-serious" fights can get real serious real quick. A person can slip on an oil spill and crack their head open on a cinder block unexpectedly. Its best to avoid it if you can. Apologize or what have you. Try not to be where he is going to be. Don't worry if your friends call you a pussy, if so they aren't your friends. If you happen to run into him, and get cornered of course you need to end it real quick - the longer a fight goes on the more chances there are of things going wrong.

I was a bouncer for awhile in my twenties - usually had the upper hand even when facing 2 or 3 guys because I never drank or did drugs (due to religious beliefs) so 3 drunk guys were often not that bad - I mean I would take a few shots but nothing that really hurt me - perhaps leave a bruise on my ribs the next day type of thing. I was also an AAU state wrestling champion one year in school, a state kickboxing champion also. Never had to fight a guy with a knife or anything though.

Anyway, my first real physical move would be similar to one mentioned earlier - I would sort of skip in and hit their lead knee with the flat of my foot, hitting on the outside of their knee and pushing inwards to their centerline - this will fold the knee - not knock them down, not break it, just cause their knee to buckle. This should be done real relaxed so as not to telegraph your intentions, don't try and super kick it to break it - you just want a moment of advantage and a loss of balance on their part.

Then I would grab them in a bear hug, wrapping my arms over the tops of his arms so his arms were pinned to the sides. I would be positioned for this to his side, towards the rear. So if he was leading with his left side I would have my left foot behind him as I bear hugged him. I would then lift and drag him up and over and slam him down. With his arms pinned he will have a hard time breaking his fall. Then I would either hammer fist him on the back of the neck, kick him or drop on his spine/ribs (if he is laying flattened out on the ground) with both of my knees - followed by lifting his face off the ground by his hair (if its long enough) and smashing his face repeatedly into the ground.

I might spit in his face before making the initial knee kick/push to distract him high so I can have a cleaner shot low. Or I might carry some dirt or car keys in my hand and throw it at his face just before the knee push.

If you take him down I would hesitate to grapple with him as many guys carry a knife and you are in perfect range to get cut up. I once had a guy down on the ground in a leg scissors and a front choke. Later I realized how lucky I was when I found out he had a knife in his pocket. Also even if you are on top and grappling , your knees will look like hamburger the next day from getting cut up on a parking lot. If you are on your back you can still win, but you will have a road rash thats pretty bad. If you are on top of him and punching his face, and he moves his head you can break your hand by hitting the ground - watch out.

I don't like a double leg take down on the street, because if they shift their weight back just right, you can be there on your knees while they start smashing the back of your neck. If they shift forward just right they can take you face first into the ground and be on top of you. Either way you can end up lying on the grouned with a double leg if you don't have the technique just right. The guy who recommended that is probably quite experienced in wrestling and can switch to a firemans carry in one case or a leg bar in the other - or any one of a million follow ups if the double leg take down does not work. If you have not wrestled much I would not go with it myself. But if you can pull of a double leg take down it often will end the fight as they hit the ground like a ton of bricks.

If you do use the double leg , a bouncing betty can be a decent entry. its simply a palm strike to their eye or forehead which puts their upper body momentum backwards, offbalancing them in the right way before doing the double leg.

I prefer another move to the double leg, that is grabbing under their crotch with one hand and lifting, while driving my forearm into their throat with the other hand.

But again, very little is won in a fight. You can end up in court - even if you were attacked. If you fight and win, do not brag about how you "kicked his ass" - this would look bad in court if they testify against you. Remember when talking afterwards you did not want to fight and you were scared for your life - if these people testify it will look better.
 
PolishHammer1977 said:
First thing RELAX. I am sure you have a "personal space". If this individual crosses it than you must attack. I do not know your capabilities so the point of attack relies with your strength i.e. striking/grappling. Attack and think. Use smart and effective strikes and be wary of your guard. Use your instincts.

Good comments. I like the red/yellow/green idea. Red is about 6 feet ffrom your physical body - if he comes in that far, red means run.

Yellow is about 4 feet - its a toss up of running or hitting.

Green is about 3 feet from your body - if he gets within that, hit him. Green means go. Don't let him speak, if he gets within 3 feet smack him.

One thing I have seen work with an inexperienced fighter is when the guy got within 4 feet or so, he put his hands up face high - hands open, back of the hand facing the opponant, elbows close together - sort of a pleading gesture. He said "Hey dude, why can't you be cool? I don't want to fight." As he was saying this he kicked the guy in the knee and then grabbed him by the hair and face and twisted his neck until the guy fell to the ground. His hands were up as a shield against any attack, but it looked completely non threatening - like he was begging or pleading.
 
tempest2003 said:
okay well, its going to happen, so i need to prepare my self or prety much know what to do, this guys been boxing for a few years now, and the last few days hes been chasing me around town trying to get me to fight him. now personally ive never been a fighter, but i dont really have a choice any more. hes 6' 1" 175lbs im 6' 190 lean, hes a drunko and a pot head so even what hes got is some fat but hes quick. I know if im going to fight him and win i cant let him fight a boxers fight, hes a prety dirty fighter and will do about anything he can to win. My first insticnt would probably be to go for a shot to the stomach then try and grab him by the back and throw a knee in there with all i have and knock the wind out of him, so then he has about 30seconds to 1min to be concious and throw his punches. i can throw a punch or 2 with my left but nothing i would be relying on winning a fight with, mainly im right hand dominant thats why i was thinking one throw then a knee and if that took him out go for a coupple face shots. anyways im not an experienced fighter like i said but this is somthing thats going to happened and all i can to is be ready for it, any help would be appreciated, thanks guys

Don't stand up with a boxer bro, take his ass to the ground quick. It will take away his advantage over you. When you go to tackle him, don't close your eyes or he may slip out of your grasp, then you will go the ground and he will more than likely put the boots to your ass. If you are on the ground and he is working on you, gouge his eyes with your thumbs. Make sure you dig around real good so his eyes will water up and he will have problems seeing you. Pull hair, do whatever, there are no rules in a steet fight. I don't believe in weapons unless he has one first though. Enjoy.....BamBam
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:


WRONG...If you knew anything about the skill of boxing,you would retract that statement.Anyone who has ever boxed would not dispute the fact that LEVERAGE and punching power are created by planting your feet,hip rotation,shoulder snap...All requirements of a standing base.I boxed for many years as well,and also TAUGHT the sport.You could not be more wrong in your statements.

WRONG...

yes planting your feet does help gernerate power and leverage I am not to disputing that.

BUT it is not REQUIRED(in a street fight), you as a boxer know that tremedus power comes from your midsection and upper body.

Don't tell me that just because a boxer is on the ground that he can't hit hard as a motherfucker.

And if you taught the sport without teaching your students to be able to land blows without their feet being planted you left out a big part of their punching ability.

When you are circling your opponent you're feet aren't always planted and you still have effective punches if you are trained right.
 
TC2-Do us both a favor,before arguing,please ask the question to any great boxing champion,or boxing coach,"how is punching/KO power generated?"I can promise you,the answer will be the same from all of them.Outside of VERY rare instances,the only time knockouts occur is when a fighter has both feet planted solidly,and gets maximum hip rotation.Knockout power comes from the feet up.Can I punch hard off my feet?Yes.Is it anywhere near as hard as when I'm planted?Not even close.

As another example,ask the question,how many knockouts have you seen a guy who's jumping up in the air score while his feet are off the ground?
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
TC2-Do us both a favor,before arguing,please ask the question to any great boxing champion,or boxing coach,"how is punching/KO power generated?"I can promise you,the answer will be the same from all of them.Outside of VERY rare instances,the only time knockouts occur is when a fighter has both feet planted solidly,and gets maximum hip rotation.Knockout power comes from the feet up.Can I punch hard off my feet?Yes.Is it anywhere near as hard as when I'm planted?Not even close.

As another example,ask the question,how many knockouts have you seen a guy who's jumping up in the air score while his feet are off the ground?

I see what you're saying and I agree and I am not arguing the fact that the great power punches come from the feet being firmly planted on the ground. I said that in my last post.

All Im saying is that a boxer is far from powerless when not on his feet.
 
your gonna get your ass kicked in...just post pics of your mangled body as a way to thank those giving advice
 
CCIE said:
your gonna get your ass kicked in...just post pics of your mangled body as a way to thank those giving advice

:FRlol:

TC2-Never said he was powerless,just alluded to the fact that it deminishes his GREATEST strengths/advantages.I think you could agree being a fellow boxer that if either you or I wound up on our backs,we could not be nearly as devastating as if we were going toe to toe standing,both offensively and defensively.Bobbing/slipping shots on the ground is also taken away from us.

I think it's a wise idea to be well versed in both levels of combat.
 
i agree that this needs to be video taped.... SERIOUSLY
that way if you get shot or stabbed, there won't be much of a court case... would also help if it came down to a lawsuit due to injury.
 
I can't believe some of you guy's are talking guns and weapons and shit. Some of you have obviously never been in trouble with the law on aggrevated assualt or manslaughter charged which is exactly what he is going to get if uses a weapon or gun and hurts or kills someone. It's not worth it dude, just fight him man to man. The only thing that hurts about losing a fight is the pride. Why is this guy after you anyway? Bam
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:


:FRlol:

TC2-Never said he was powerless,just alluded to the fact that it deminishes his GREATEST strengths/advantages.I think you could agree being a fellow boxer that if either you or I wound up on our backs,we could not be nearly as devastating as if we were going toe to toe standing,both offensively and defensively.Bobbing/slipping shots on the ground is also taken away from us.

I think it's a wise idea to be well versed in both levels of combat.

I wholeheartly agree.
 
Do you guys actually think hes going to remember all this when it comes down to fight time?Come on! Most likely he will be nervous and scared(no offense bro)and his Adrenaline will get flowing...Last thing he will do is remember ANYTHING you guys said....

IMO...Do what Terminator said and avoid the fight at all costs like some of the other bros said....I don't think it's impossible for you to beat him, but he definately has the edge....


Tony
 
Sounds like this guy is real loser big time in multiple ways. He is going to cross the wrong guy one day and then his whole life will be over in a blazing headline in the papers. But right now he's gunning for you so you have to deal with it.

Your best plan as I see it: I agree with Terminator avoid the fight as best you can. This is not being a coward, this is being smart. You have nothing to gain. It's a manhood thing for him that's why he wants a fight. If you were to win in a fight against him I would suspect he would come back at you with several guys or with a weapon next time. So don't fight unless you have no choice. I'm surprised no one has said this but what's your guarantee he doesn't have a weapon already and waiting to use it? Also, let's say you get game and take him to the ground and pummel him. what's to stop his friends from equalizing it while you're vulnerable? Bad news no matte how you slice it. People have said it here: no such thing as a fair fight so expect anything. So avoid this thing if you can.

I would go and get a restraining order against him. Go speak with a lawyer if you have to. Sue him if he continues to threaten you. This is 2003 and there is no sense in anyone having to put up with this kind of nonsense. But you must document everything that has happened up to this point. If you don't then it could come back to haunt you if something bad ever happened. Make sure someone knows that this is happening. Don't be a willing victim or statistic.

Probably wouldn't hur to make some new friends who know how to fight and look out for each other in the meanwhile.

Good luck.
 
Not everyone is a fighter. Has alot to do with whets in your heart. Like others have said take his skills away from him by trying to get him to the ground. And just to give my opinion on the grappler vs. boxer thing I have competed in high level submission wresting and been around alot of NHB tourneys and I will tell you right now High skilled grapplers own most High skilled strikers. Wrestling is very practical in street fights as most fights end up on the ground. Of course there are thousands of variables but if they are not well versed in MMA I would chose a Grappler any day of the week.
 
Re: Re: First few seconds street fight VS a boxer, need pointers

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CCCP said:


Buddy, I'm a boxer myself, and believe me when I tell you that: you are not going to win. Don't even try. In fact, if you want to save on doctor bills, on doctors that will be trying to fix your jaw, which will be broken, avoid the fight at all costs. The best thing you can do is either avoid the fight, OR become a boxer yourself. I'm just telling all that to you because you internet people are all kindof dear to me because you think the same way I do, and you are after the same thing I am after: strength and size. I like that. To sum it up, all you can do is to try to be enough of a challenge for this boxer bro. Hell, who knows, you might get lucky and break HIS jaw, instead of him breaking yours. ha ha ha. Just get some fighting experience before you face this man. That is my advice.

:FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol:
 
What we have here is a bunch of BULLSHIT.

Forgive me for assuming this guy is a real person, but many of you are talking out your asses and not impressing anyone by trying to sound like you know something.

Do you really think this guy can learn how to counter even a poor boxer by reading all this horse shit?

What if he gets killed, or accidentally kills the boxer? What if he gets HIV? What if he is arrested and charged with attempted murder? Why even take these risks?

If you don't give a fuck about the risks, then go ahead and throw yourself upon the mercy of chance and enjoy the ride. I've learned my lesson.
 
the fight went down about 2 and a half weeks ago, the guy didnt even touch me, got outta the car, he got outta his, he came tward me, swung at him, busted him in the side of the head cause he turned, then he ducked and i grabed him put him in a choke hold and took him down to the ground, i win, he aint got shit
 
tempest2003 said:
the fight went down about 2 and a half weeks ago, the guy didnt even touch me, got outta the car, he got outta his, he came tward me, swung at him, busted him in the side of the head cause he turned, then he ducked and i grabed him put him in a choke hold and took him down to the ground, i win, he aint got shit
LOL It was funny reading this and the different advise, then seeing what went down.

Jolly good show old man! :D
 
TC2 said:
"A boxer requires his feet to be planted on the ground to generate power"

wrong.

Why does everyone on this board assume that a Boxer doesnt stand a chance against a grappler??

99% of the time a Boxer was a street fighter long before he became a boxer.

I have trained as a boxer for 10 years, I've fought MANY juiced up assholes that thought their vanity strenght and "grappling" ability would take me down.

All it takes are some quick precise punches to their nose and they are asleep before they hit the ground.

you people are going to get this kid fucked up, Take my advice bro you're not going to win against this guy with some tips from all the "experts" on this board.

Avoid him or plan on using a weapon.

but dont you agree "if" he gets him on the ground he will stand a better chance.

and i agree, he should avoid him if possible because it sounds like a very lopsided matchup.
 
spongebob said:


but dont you agree "if" he gets him on the ground he will stand a better chance.

and i agree, he should avoid him if possible because it sounds like a very lopsided matchup.

If he gets him to the ground he'll have a "better" chance.

But what is considered better??

Bottem line is that ANYBODY who is not a trained fighter (no matter what disipline) is going to get dominated by a trained fighter.
 
SAGAT said:
dude, he's a boxer, you won't win fighting fair. so i say fight dirty. spit in his eyes, kick him in the nutsack, then pound him into the ground. or just get a nice bat and break his face. that'll make him think twice about fuckin with you again.

Doesn't necessarily mean shit. My friend beat the shit out of a golden gloves boxer.
 
TC2 said:
Bottem line is that ANYBODY who is not a trained fighter (no matter what disipline) is going to get dominated by a trained fighter.
I always say, there are no absolutes. Perhaps you didn't read the man's report of the fight that actually went down. You theorem has just been proven wrong.
 
Silent Method said:

I always say, there are no absolutes. Perhaps you didn't read the man's report of the fight that actually went down. You theorem has just been proven wrong.

Some how I don't beleive him.
 
HEADLOCK seated takedown....
Charge him and get a left arm headlock, as you are coming around his left side.
Then around behind, get him in a Sleeper type choke hold, then let your legs go out either side of his so you sit and he will come down with you.

Do this in the first 5 Seconds or you are done if he get even one head shot in as it will ruin your morale..
 
youn guys are still giving him advice?he won.
its also amazing the world class caliber of fighters we have here on elite.
 
TC2 said:
Some how I don't beleive him.
That's fine. Regardless, there are many examples of "badass" and "trained" fighters getting stomped by people with no fighting background everyday.

Is the probability in the favor of the trained fighter? Of course. But there are no absolutes.
 
biteme said:


Doesn't necessarily mean shit. My friend beat the shit out of a golden gloves boxer.

Yep,my team mate was a national boxing champ,and a seasoned wrestler gave him all he could handle in a street fight.Double legged him,dumped him on his head,etc..My team mate clobbered him with some great shots in between and rocked him,but he broke his hand and would have been in serious trouble if there weren't folks around to break it up.Boxing is a tough sport that teaches great upright fighting technique,but it does have its weaknesses that can be exploited.
 
biteme said:


Doesn't necessarily mean shit. My friend beat the shit out of a golden gloves boxer.
fair enough, but i was speaking in general. sure you can't ever precisely predict the outcome of a fight but you have to agree that the one with the fighting background will have a better chance of winning.
 
TC2 said:


If he gets him to the ground he'll have a "better" chance.

But what is considered better??

Bottem line is that ANYBODY who is not a trained fighter (no matter what disipline) is going to get dominated by a trained fighter.

lol, you dont know what a better chance is?

no that aint the bottom line. he has said this guy has a liitle boxing experience, its probable that he would not be as effective on the ground, not all boxers are trained like you describe in earlier post. since tempest doesnt have boxing experience he will probably be able to put up better resistance on the ground. hell, he may be a natural.
 
spongebob said:


lol, you dont know what a better chance is?

no that aint the bottom line. he has said this guy has a liitle boxing experience, its probable that he would not be as effective on the ground, not all boxers are trained like you describe in earlier post. since tempest doesnt have boxing experience he will probably be able to put up better resistance on the ground. hell, he may be a natural.

Better as in no real skill ver. a trained fighter.

If the boxer has even a little skill, he'll take the kids nose off before the kid can even get his hands on him.

you guys keep lookin at this like tempest2003 is a trained ground fighter, if he was I would'nt be arguing for the boxer.
 
Generally, the more aggresive individual will prevail in an even
skill matched fight if you are the agressor.

If you are attacked,
I have found being skilled defensively to be more important in the
3 fights I have been in my 41 years..
 
About Real life 'Street Grappling' (JuJutsu) not for the Ring

Hi all, this is my 1st post in here :D and i thought i might add some stuff for you all here, before I get into detail, I dont really believe the original thread starter, but anyhows, many of you have tried your best and contributed quite a lot in a seemingly genuine bid to help. Well, i do know a bit about this as i teach Law Enforcement groups amongst others (not the general public, I might add however)....

There seems to be a lot of talk about "street effective grappling" in internet forums & with the sudden wave of interest in ground grappling techniques sweeping through the Martial Arts world, it may be interesting just for a brief moment to sit back and read my post.

Hopefully I can shed some light on just where ground grappling fits into the world of Combat Martial Artists repertoire of techniques and also it's strengths and weaknesses, plus what
is essential to know if you go to the floor/paving area in a fight!

Firstly just look again at the words above, 'If you go to the floor in a fight', what I mean is a real street situation not a Judo, Wrestling or Ju-Jutsu contest or match including NHB.

Floor grappling in the street is a whole different world to any form of contest no matter how 'no holds barred' it is, it is just not the same.
Let's look at the major differences between 'street' and 'contest' floor grappling and see why some of the 'good moves' you see being executed in a ring, or contest area, will not necessarily hold up in a real situation.

Firstly let's get it straight, the floor is the last place you want to be in a 'live' street fight. It is an extremely dangerous and vulnerable position to be in, the bottom line is avoid going to the 'deck' unless you have no other choice. Why? Well look at the negatives.

Number one, ground grappling may be strong against one to one opponent but if he has a weapon, or there is more than one opponent, it could be suicidal. Number two, when two opponents are rolling around on the floor any onlookers, no matter how impartial they may be, suddenly get the urge to 'pitch in', they will start either kicking away at one or the other person on the ground (normal in this situation, either of the two will take the
damage) or they might decide to batter the 'top' man with a chair, bar stool, dustbin lid (depending on where the fight may be), even worse they may come in at an exposed back with a
knife or a broken glass or bottle.

Another scenario is for some 'hero' to rush over and proceed to pull the two combatants apart, then usually one gets a good shot at the other or we have a third person to the fight and then all hell can break loose. A crowd 'fired up' can be like a rabid pack of dogs. It is a very frightening situation and I have experienced this from being in crowds at football matches when trouble has erupted, and I tell you on the floor is not the place to be.

Thirdly think of environment (no not if the ozone layer is still deteriorating!) but where you might be if you hit the deck. Remember most grappling arts like Judo and Wrestling are
done on mats or canvas, so you have no fear of hitting the ground. Arts like the now famous Brazilian Ju-Jutsu were practised in a warm climate on country where the exponents fought on sandy beaches, lush grassland. They were not rolling round on icy, hard, cold, uneven and uncompromising pavement in the middle of January on a winter night, nor was it designed for
thrashing around on a beer soaked or glass covered bar floor or dance floor after trouble has started or neither for struggling on a urine drenched toilet floor!

Remember, if you are out for a quiet night with your 'lady', with your best 'designer' gear on, looking cool, the last thing you want to be doing is rolling about in three different kinds of dog excrement (note how I cleaned that up, I wish someone would!) in front of the local 'takeout'.

So hopefully by now you can see some of the down points to floor grappling. Also to be considered is the time factor, the longer you are on the floor the more dangerous it becomes
for you.

Wrestling and Judo pins are not much good in 'real combat' they can only serve as time buying 'manoeuvres' to get into a better finishing technique. In the street you will not be looking for a quick finish and get back onto your feet, it won't be timed bout with the 'ref' ready to step in. an opponent who may submit to a hold or a lock can and may get up and suddenly up the stake by drawing a weapon or fashioning one out of something at hand. It
really is best to make sure he doesn't get up again in a hurry so you can make your exit!

So what do I do if I go to the floor? Well there's plenty but the rule for the street is to make it quick, do not let your opponent settle into a good hold or get into a superior position.

The following techniques, concepts and theories are taken from the system of Martial Arts I teach 'Kempo Goshin Jutsu', they have worked for me in and out of the dojo, they are not by
any means unique but they are what I teach my students to do on the floor, remember 'how you train is how you react'. I believe if you don't have command of the following techniques you
will struggle badly on the floor, especially against a large and aggressive opponent. These techniques are an overview, not the whole picture, otherwise it may take a whole book to
demonstrate.

If you go to the ground and you are on top of opponent, cushion your fall by landing on them. There is a certain sickening feeling about landing on a pavement on your kneecaps or elbows. Try and drive your knee into their groin and then fall dropping the point of your elbow into the sternum (breastbone) or solar plexus. Naturally from there let your head snap forward in a butt to their face, best target the nose. Climb so you straddle their chest, consolidate your balance and bang away with fist, elbows, palm heels and butts, then get out quick.

If pulled down close by an opponent immediately bite into nose, ear, cheek or neck for a release then gouge into the windpipe with a claw hand squeezing it shut or thumb gouge into the eyes or ram finger up their nostrils and rip. Grabbing the hair or ears and banging the head on the floor has quite a 'sobering' effect on your would be attacker, so has a fast choke hold.

If you feel you are losing balance in this 'mount' position lean over and rest hands on floor put your chest into opponents face, when he pushes you off take his straight arm pivot off his chest to the side and dislocate the elbow with the famous cross armbar (Jujugatame), make sure you drive the heel of your arm locking legs into the face and body of, your opponent to prevent them attempting biting your leg.

If you go down underneath, then get opponent between your legs in 'the guard' position. If he attempts to punch you, pull him
forward in the scissors until he loses his balance, pull his head down to yours and bite into his ear, get one of your feet between his legs and flip him over and off.

If he is strangling you, push back with your legs and hips, grab his straightened arm and swing your foot over his neck and pull him over and down for the cross armbar again. If he has mounted your chest and is choking you, drive your thumbs up into his eyes, then grab the back of his head and his chin and crank his neck around in a hard twist to take him off your body.

Gouging or finger thrusting into the Jugular Notch (the indentation at the base of the windpipe) is a good move, as is ripping the side of his mouth with your thumbs or digging a
knuckle into the mastoid behind the ear. Combine these with butts, then twist the opponent off you. If opponent is on his stomach and you straddle his back, hit him with elbows and
short punches to spine and back of neck. If he attempts to push himself up, then go straight for a choke or kneel on the back and pull up on his chin to finish.

If you are lying sideways across opponent's body and he has your neck locked then grab and squeeze his testicles (this would appeal to a VTG {Virtual Tough Guy} who is typical of one of those people who goes to a Taebo aerobics class then comes into a forum to mouth off behind a screen...lol ) or pinch flesh high on his inner thigh, also push your bony forearm into his neck or up under his nose to relieve pressure then bite his body anywhere (nipples, pec's, flesh on floating ribs) until you can get out.

When you are under in the same position, hammer away at his exposed kidney's and floating ribs, get a hand under and between to squeeze his testicles and bite at any exposed target,
then twist out and get on top. The list could go on and on but hopefully this will show you the different sort of technique and mental attitude you need for 'street wrestling', these moves are equalizers especially for smaller people.

I know loads of armbars, locks, leg locks, strangles, etc, but in a street situation you will not have time to execute them, you have got to adapt.

Some say the moves are brutal, but in answer to that, unless you have experienced a situation where your strength is ebbing, your arms feel like lead, your guts feel sick and you have a larger, heavier opponent lying on you, you will have to know and use the techniques mentioned.

One of my regular training partners and fellow instructors is a 14 stone + guy in the prison service. He is a good grappler and a hard opponent, he makes me work and takes me to the limit of physical endurance, which is great because I know my techniques will get me out along with good physical conditioning (which is essential in ground grappling) and mental stamina.

How many instructors out there grapple or spar or whatever with their instructors or students? .You will learn a lot about yourself, your belt or position won't matter once it goes down. Win or lose you will learn, if you are prepared to give it a go!

In the street the attacker will not give a darn what who you are and when it goes to the floor you will have to separate contest grappling and street grappling to survive.

It isn't important to come out on top, what matters is to come out alive.

regards to all
 
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