First Cycle

[VENOM]

First Cycle

Whats up guys. I'm 22 yrs old 6'0 tall and 185 lbs. Don't know my fat % but its not much. Ok well right now I'm all natural and I've been doin that, I guess on and off for about 2-3 yrs. Now over the past 4 months its been real hard training. I've been watching my diet (3000+cals, around 300g protein w/low fat% a day) I've been reading almost everything on this site for about 2 months now but havn't really been posting much. Anyhow I really wanna do my first cycle in Dec. I don't really want it to last more then 10 weeks. I guess 8 would be perfect. I decided to go with:
week1-8 sust 500mg/week
week 1-4 dbol 25mg/day
week 1-8 deca 400mg/week
I'm also thinking of getting something to prevent gyno. I'm really scared about that. I've been hearing that Dbol and sus gives mad bitch tits. Anyhow I was thinking of taking Nolvadex or liquider. Now which one is beter for this cycle. And say I notice signs of gyno during the cycle when do I take the stuff and how much should I take. Well thats about it. Please give me some more info if you think I should change it around. Remember this is my first cycle so help me out as much as you can. If anything please e_mail me at ohh_bambino@ hotmail.com

P.S On average what gains should I expect.
Thanks

 

[manny78]

run the sust and deca for 10 weeks. Arimidex or liquidex would be perfect to prevent E-gyno.... as for pro-gyno caused by Deca run some winny for the last 6 weeks of your cycle. This should be a good one and expect a good 15-25 lbs.....

 

[mlomker]

Re: First Cycle

That's a classic mass cycle. Go with liquidex or arimidex and run it at .25 mg/day from the first day until you start clomid. Clomid would be three weeks after your last shot.

Nolvadex should be on hand but gyno is unlikely to be a problem with arimidex in use. Nolvadex is generally run at 40mg until your tits stop itching and then at 20mg for a week. Progesterone gyno is rare at the dosage you're looking at.

Judging from my gains so far, 25 lbs is quite possible....we have similar stats.

 

[SNAKE BITE]

[/QUOTE] run the sust and deca for 10 weeks. Arimidex or liquidex would be perfect to prevent E-gyno.... as for pro-gyno caused by Deca run some winny for the last 6 weeks of your cycle. This should be a good one and expect a good 15-25 lbs.....


manny78 is right on, and you should run the liquidex until clomid theropy is done.(do not stop when you start clomid)

 

[SNAKE BITE]

If you only use nolvadex that would stop when you start clomid.

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

Yeah I wished I would have used dbol... fuck.. well, next cycle will be dbol sust fina

 

[VENOM]

Thanks for all the info guys. I hope this isn't too much for my first cycle. Should I lower the dosage on anything or leave it as is. I do want the most gains out of it but I want to stay as safe as possible. I'll get back to you guys with info on what I could get. Not sure if I could get my hands on liquidex cause its very costly. And I am kinda on a tight budget. I might be able to get Nolvadex. Would that be enough in case of gyno problems. And do I really need clomid. Doesn't that just get your TEST levels back to normal. I guess thats important but should I spend $$$ on it. I dunno I guess that might be a stupid question its just I don't wanna spend too much. Originally I was gonna go with SUS and Dbol only. I still might depending on how much everything runs me. But other then that everything looks ok.
SO you guys think everything looks cool the way it is huh.

 

[VENOM]

just taking it to the top.

 

[VENOM]

common guys..any more info

 

[PHOENIX21]

VENOM THATS PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT MY FIRST CYCLE IS GOING TO BE. IM DOING 300 MG. OF DECA WEEKS 1-8 AND 20 MG. OF D-BOL WEEK 1-2 AND 15 MG. D-BOL WEEK 3-4.IM GOING TO TAKE CLOMID AT THE END AND NOLVADEX ORARMIDEX DURING.GOOD LUCK BRO

 

[DocTodd]

IMHO thats too much. Go with only 2 things and do 8 weeks. If you decide to do another cycle later on your body wont be as sensitized to the gear and you will still get good gains. Rome wasnt built in a day. Plus the sides will be less.

SO what if you only gain 15 lbs instead of 25!!!!!! The potential damage you can do wont be measured on a scale.


T

 

[VENOM]

So what should I go with.
SUS and dbol for 10 weeks
and hit Nolv with it.

SUS 1-10 weeks 500mg/week
Dbol 1-4 weeks 25mg/day

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I would do this
D-Bol at 30mg/Day for weeks 1-5
Test at 500mg/week for weeks 1-10
Eq at 400mg/week for weeks 1-10
Liquidex at .25mg/Day for weeks 1-15
Clomid 3 weeks after your last shot of Eq. Start with 300mg/Day for the first day of Clomid use then take 100mg/Day for the next 6 days of that week, the next week take 50mg/Day and the final week take 50mg/every other day. With a good diet this will pack on some good mass. E-mail or hit me up on ICQ if you have any questions

M18

 

[J-Ro]

We have the same height, weight, and age. Let's have a race to see who can look the best, the soonest!

 

[VENOM]

Thanks for all the info guys....Hey J-RO, lol...Sounds good bro. Thats one way to make me push even harder. lol.. cool keep me updated on how your improving.