First Cycle

[litre]

Hey I have been reading alot lately just not posting.
Iam looking to start my first cycle in the fall, trying to get everything in line now before I start purchasing.

1 - Age
21
2 - Lifting History
Two Years hardcore
3 - Height
5'7
4 - Weight
170
5 - Estimated BF% (Or at least, lean/think/fat etc...)
13%
6 - Diet
1.5g protein/1lb bodyweight...3g carb/1lb of bodyweight
One cheat day on weekend, Stay very strict
7 - Goals
Get stronger, bigger, and scary looking haha
8 - Proposed cycle (To show that you've at least done a little homework.)

Here is my cycle:

Testosterone Ethanate- 500mg/week for 10 weeks. (250mg on day 1...250mg on day 4)
Dianabol- 30mg/day for 4 weeks. (split up into course of day)
Nolvadex- 20mg/day during cycle….20mg/day during PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy -
Clomid- 300mg day 1/ 100mg 2-14 / 50mg 15-30

Week 1- 500mg testosterone enanthate…210mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - …140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 2- 500mg testosterone enanthate…210mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - …140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 3- 500mg Test E…210mg Dbol…140mg Nolva
Week 4- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 5- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 6- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 7- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 8- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 9- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 10- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 11- OFF
Week 12- OFF
Week 13- 140mg Nolva…900mg Clomid
Week 14- 140mg Nolva…700mg Clomid
Week 15- 140mg Nolva…350mg Clomid
Week 16- 40mg Nolva…100mg Clomid (two day week)

Totals:
Test E- 5500mg
Dbol- 900mg
Nolva- 2100mg
Clomid- 2250mg

I put this together myself based on research from websites.

Im not to sure if it is any good for a first cycle, but I think it is close.
I want to take Nolva throughout my cycle as to not get gynecomastia, I believe Iam Susceptible to it.

Anyways thanks for the help!

 

[Cal_21]

900mg Clomid for week 13...I'm no expert whatsoever but that seems like an assload...

 

[mattdan]

Wayyy too much clomid imho and I'm a big clomid fan.

Nolva I don't use so I won't comment since I don't have personal experience.

Only 4 weeks of d bol? Extend that by 2 weeks. 6 weeks is the sweet spot IMHO.

Back to the clomid - 50 mg ED is most likely enough. After a couple of weeks drop to 50 mg eod, etc. If your nuts get too big, cut back even more.

500 mg is the absolute max test for a first cycle. You'd probably do almost as well with fewer sides on a lower dose, but that's your choice bro.

good post, you did fairly well for a newbie.

good luck bro.

 

[mattdan]

900mg Clomid for week 13...I'm no expert whatsoever but that seems like an assload...

Yes, assload would be the correct medical term.

At that dose it would definately fuck up your mind a bit lol...

Could you imagine the size of his nuts after a week of 900 mg of clomid?

 

[litre]

LOL Alright, Ill back it down.

I need to know some info about size of needle I was thinking of 25 gauge 1".
Also how much weight could I expect to gain on a cycle like this?

 

[Cal_21]

LOL Alright, Ill back it down.

I need to know some info about size of needle I was thinking of 25 gauge 1".
Also how much weight could I expect to gain on a cycle like this?

I think 23' 22's the standard around here. I'll let someone more knowledgeable fill you in on that. As far as weight goes, depends mostly on your diet bro, genetics & PCT play a large role as well...at least so I hear/read *blush*

 

[mattdan]

25 ga is a bit small and difficult to use. I use a 21 ga 1.5" myself.

How much you gain is totally (well almost) dependant on how hard you work out and how disciplined your diet is.

You need LOTS of protein and extra calories. Steak is great, protein shakes, etc.

Don't worry about fat intake too much as long as it's not over done.

Don't be a fucking pussy - work out till it hurts like hell, then eat like a horse.

What about the d bol. Are you going to extend it? I would strongly recommend it. Let's face it, it's cheap as hell.

personally, I'd ditch the nolva for arimidex. a dex would help keep the bloat down. Maybe .5mg ed starting week 2.

 

[Cal_21]

Yes, assload would be the correct medical term.

At that dose it would definately fuck up your mind a bit lol...

Could you imagine the size of his nuts after a week of 900 mg of clomid?

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a377/sabbattehelp/gdpit_com_5610563_428.gif

 

[mattdan]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a377/sabbattehelp/gdpit_com_5610563_428.gif

You sick bastage. That's about right tho LOL....

 

[Cal_21]

You sick bastage. That's about right tho LOL....

lololol Just figured it'd be good for him to see what might be in store for him if he followed his planned pct haha.

 

[BigCracker]

I recommend dbol only and not working out whatsoever. Remain stationary and eat sticks of butter every 2 hours. Wash them down with a 2 liter of Fanta Strawberry per stick. Smoke Camel No Filters and huff a lot of paint. Put your dick in a shop vac every night before bed as a sleep aid/man oil change. I promise you that 6 weeks of this program you will make incredible gains and have at least 2 heart attacks. BTW-I train people for a living so don't listen to these homo pro workout guys. Abs are for fags. Die big. Die young. Dianabol.

 

[rambleon]

I recommend Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only and not working out whatsoever. Remain stationary and eat sticks of butter every 2 hours. Wash them down with a 2 liter of Fanta Strawberry per stick. Smoke Camel No Filters and huff a lot of paint. Put your dick in a shop vac every night before bed as a sleep aid/man oil change. I promise you that 6 weeks of this program you will make incredible gains and have at least 2 heart attacks. BTW-I train people for a living so don't listen to these homo pro workout guys. Abs are for fags. Die big. Die young. Dianabol.

that seems about right.

Lose the dbol man. Do ur first with test only.

 

[hyp1]

Hey I have been reading alot lately just not posting.
Iam looking to start my first cycle in the fall, trying to get everything in line now before I start purchasing.

1 - Age
21
2 - Lifting History
Two Years hardcore
3 - Height
5'7
4 - Weight
170
5 - Estimated BF% (Or at least, lean/think/fat etc...)
13%
6 - Diet
1.5g protein/1lb bodyweight...3g carb/1lb of bodyweight
One cheat day on weekend, Stay very strict
7 - Goals
Get stronger, bigger, and scary looking haha
8 - Proposed cycle (To show that you've at least done a little homework.)

Here is my cycle:

Testosterone Ethanate- 500mg/week for 10 weeks. (250mg on day 1...250mg on day 4)
Dianabol- 30mg/day for 4 weeks. (split up into course of day)
Nolvadex- 20mg/day during cycle….20mg/day during PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy -
Clomid- 300mg day 1/ 100mg 2-14 / 50mg 15-30

Week 1- 500mg testosterone enanthate…210mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - …140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 2- 500mg testosterone enanthate…210mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - …140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 3- 500mg testosterone enanthate…210mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - …140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 4- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 5- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 6- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 7- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 8- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 9- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 10- 500mg Test E…140mg Nolva
Week 11- OFF
Week 12- OFF
Week 13- 140mg Nolva…900mg Clomid
Week 14- 140mg Nolva…700mg Clomid
Week 15- 140mg Nolva…350mg Clomid
Week 16- 40mg Nolva…100mg Clomid (two day week)

Totals:
Test E- 5500mg
Dbol- 900mg
Nolva- 2100mg
Clomid- 2250mg

I put this together myself based on research from websites.

Im not to sure if it is any good for a first cycle, but I think it is close.
I want to take Nolva throughout my cycle as to not get gynecomastia, I believe Iam Susceptible to it.

Anyways thanks for the help!

you could get great results off of 250mgs of testosterone enanthate a week on a first cycle bro(for 10 weeks)your clomid doses are fucking unreal and will give you sides from fucking hell.50mgs a night imo is no more than you want to go over.if you ran the 250mgs you wouldn't need the nolvadex on cycle,and post cycle therapy would be breeze.

 

[litre]

So this would be a little closer?
Im still unsure whether or not to take Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - through cycle, and after, I hear mixed comments from everybody, not sure what to do?




Testosterone Ethanate- 500mg/week for 10 weeks. (250mg on day 1...250mg on day 4)
Dianabol- 30mg/day for 6 weeks. (split up into course of day)
Nolvadex- 20mg/day during cycle….20mg/day during PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy -
Clomid- 50mg/day 1-15...25mg/day 6-30

Week 1- 500mg testosterone enanthate…210mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - …140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 2- 500mg testosterone enanthate…210mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - …140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 3- 500mg testosterone enanthate…210mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - …140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 4- 500mg testosterone enanthate…210mg Dianabol...140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 5- 500mg testosterone enanthate…210mg Dianabol...140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 6- 500mg testosterone enanthate…210mg Dianabol...140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 7- 500mg testosterone enanthate…140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 8- 500mg testosterone enanthate…140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 9- 500mg testosterone enanthate…140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 10- 500mg testosterone enanthate…140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -
Week 11- OFF
Week 12- OFF
Week 13- 140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - …350mg Clomid
Week 14- 140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - …350mg Clomid
Week 15- 140mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - …175mg Clomid
Week 16- 40mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - …50mg Clomid (two day week)

 

[BigCracker]

More like 250mgs of Test e/wk for 10 wks. Keep it simple. Nolvadex if needed.

Your present 1st cycle and pct is overkill me thinks. Plus the dbol is likely to give you side effects you don't want-unless you find the pufferfish w/ zits look attractive???

 

[Cal_21]

I recommend Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only and not working out whatsoever. Remain stationary and eat sticks of butter every 2 hours. Wash them down with a 2 liter of Fanta Strawberry per stick. Smoke Camel No Filters and huff a lot of paint. Put your dick in a shop vac every night before bed as a sleep aid/man oil change. I promise you that 6 weeks of this program you will make incredible gains and have at least 2 heart attacks. BTW-I train people for a living so don't listen to these homo pro workout guys. Abs are for fags. Die big. Die young. Dianabol.

If I were plat I'd make this my sig lol

 

[hyp1]

More like 250mgs of testosterone enanthate/wk for 10 wks. Keep it simple. Nolvadex if needed.

Your present 1st cycle and PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - is overkill me thinks. Plus the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is likely to give you side effects you don't want-unless you find the pufferfish w/ zits look attractive???

precisely stick to ONE fucking compound your first cycle.@ a low dose so you will get less sides and post cycle therapy will be easier.you don't even know how you'll respond to gear in general.....whether or not you're prone to acne,hairloss,gynecomastia or anything else for that matter.at least with one compound you will know exactly what the fuck is causing it.you haven't even done gear yet you're jumping in over your head.

 

[ugcanada]

good luck to u bud and all that clomid lol

 

[gslben]

Who the F*** recommended 900/700 mgs of Clomid to you?

"Feel Girly?" You'd suddenly have the irresistible urge to spend 10 hours a day in rest areas being plowed, takin face shots and gettin mosquito bites on your balloon knot....Holy Shit..?

 

[BigCracker]

Who the F*** recommended 900/700 mgs of Clomid to you?

"Feel Girly?" You'd suddenly have the irresistible urge to spend 10 hours a day in rest areas being plowed, takin face shots and gettin mosquito bites on your balloon knot....Holy Shit..?

You forgot sitting down to pee and the constant urge to buy multiple pairs of high end designer shoes that probably cost more than your rent.

 

[borris]

cut and pasted str8 outta Isteroids.com.....




smh

 

[litre]

Well I did a lot of reading around, and based it off the beginner cycle recommended at getbig.com.
Unless I read wrong and made a mistake.

So the general concensus is to stick to Test only? And take along with nolva during cycle, then the nolva/clomid mix for pct?


Sorry again for sounding dumb, just wanting to get this perfected.

 

[BigCracker]

No need for the nolva during or after unless you start getting gyno-which is fairly unlikely.

Instead of that massive breakdown of each week, try this.

Test enanthate 250 mgs weeks 1-10
Nolvadex if needed.
Clomid if you wanna feel like a girl on the rag.

I really doubt you'll need some heavy duty pct after this cycle. Your test levels will drop after you go off and most likely return to normal levels in a month or two. You're really making this complicated and it doesn't need to be. I know you don't wanna fuck up. That's good. Just take it easy on your 1st run and keep training hard and eating well after you go off. The guys that shrink most after going off are the ones that quit training and eating right cuz w/o the juice they are too big of pussies to train natty. That may be easy to say for a guy like me thats used so long, but the times I would go off I always trained consistently and dieted harder to keep from getting fat. I figured even if I lost muscle I could still improve my definition through training hard and watching my diet closely.

 

[litre]

alright cool, thanks for all the help.
ill keep everyone updated when I start.
looking to start the beginning of november, or mid october.

 

[gslben]

Well I did a lot of reading around, and based it off the beginner cycle recommended at getbig.com.
Unless I read wrong and made a mistake.

So the general concensus is to stick to Test only? And take along with Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - during cycle, then the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - /clomid mix for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - ?


Sorry again for sounding dumb, just wanting to get this perfected.

Far from dumb, you did what alot of people don't do.....you asked.

 

[Tatyana]

You are too young to take steroids, your natural levels will peak at around 26.

Unless you are planning on competing, I would wait


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[BigCracker]

You are too young to take steroids, your natural levels will peak at around 26.

Unless you are planning on competing, I would wait


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Welp, there's some great advice that applies to about 60% of this message board. Will they listen? Probably not. lol