First Cycle

[FredM]

OK guys I have this gear:

30 tabs of 50mg winstrol
20 amps Test E.
300 Dbol
1 box arimidex
2 box clomid

I was gonna run for my first cycle

1-8 500mg Test
1-4 40mg DBol ED
7-10 50mg winny ED

But have been thinking of maybe lowering the Test to 250 a week and seeing how I respond to a lower dose. I only weigh in at 178 at around 8% BF (just got done cutting) and have never done a cycle. Will I be dissapointed in the 250 and is it like a really big difference in most people going from 250 to 500mg?
THANKS

 

[creep]

You have my approval

 

[guards]

I like it.....and i would go with the 500 mg IMO

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Umm..Winni ED and D-bol. If you want your liver to fall out your ass!!!

I would not take both ED in the same cycle. I would inject winni with it, that would work fine. Winni is surprising toxic on your liver almost as much as d-bol.

 

[FatFinaHead]

Umm..Winni ED and D-bol. If you want your liver to fall out your ass!!!

I would not take both ED in the same cycle. I would inject winni with it, that would work fine. Winni is surprising toxic on your liver almost as much as d-bol.

I am going to have to call wrong on this one...... Yes, both can elevate liver values, But the way he is going to run it is just fine. Dude, he is only running the winny for 3 weeks. This is a very mild cyce if you want my opinion.

 

[FredM]

So definetly go for 500mg over 250?

 

[jubei]

I think that in this specific cycle taking two 17aa steroids shouldn't be a big problem. First of all I would lower you dosage of dbol to 30mg/day and only do it for the first 3 weeks. This combined with the test should be plenty for a first cycle. Also it will give you more "time off" between dbol and winny. Other than that it looks good. I would pick up some test prop and do 100mg eod for weeks 9-10, so you can start recovery faster. Nolva would probably be better post cycle than clomid IMHO. I would also go and grab some HCG if I were you. Other than that enjoy.

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

You are right.. i read over it really quickly. It is nothing extreme..My reaction was a lil harsh.

Its just the consern of its his first cycle. You know your limits. Does he? I am very protective over things like that. Everyone is prone to different reactions.

If you go ahead and do it. Take 1000mg of milk thistle and 1000 of cranberry exract(pill form)..that will help your liver and kidneys.

 

[TheDarkSideNinja]

I.M.O....

I'm gonna have to agree with Jubei on this one. If i were you i'd drop the winny for now. Also with the test at 250 each week i'd keep it there and if your ot getting noticable results when you are supposd to then up the dose to 500. Always beter to be safe then sorry and im a big fan of living healthy with the abscense of exess harm to the body if you know what im getting at. I believe you will make better gains if you stick to one simple goal like gaining mass or ripping up. After you bulk you can always rip up and if you wanna get a good start eat as clean as you can. ~JT~

 

[sausage]

my first cycle was 500mg's of enanthate only and i goot real good gains.i have done another cycle since then 500mg's of sust and also got real good gains.I havent done anything in almost 2 years and im gonna be only taking enanthate again at 500 mg's a week,imo short simple cycles are better cause you keep most of your gains its not that harsh on your body and when your off your cycle you dont feel like you need as to have a good workout.

 

[jubei]

Sausage,
Despite the majority of the members on the board thinking sust is a waste of time, it has shown itself over and over to get good results on relatively low dosages. If I were you I would stick to sust doing 250mg e3d. Anyways, thats just my opinion, and what I have noticed from ppl that have done both.

 

[Dante666]

Since it is your first cycle start off with a smaller dose to see how it reacts. You should respond like a champ. even with smaller doses since this is your first cycle and your body hasn't experienced it before. However, since the body adapts very easily, if you start off with higher levels, you will not be able to go back without losing gains and chances are you will have to raise the levels later on in order to continue to build. Also, as mentioned earlier, "better safe than sorry."