first cycle

[cinnabar8521]

Hi all just want to run this first cycle by for advice. wk 1-10 250mg sust, 200mg deca wk13 100mg clomid wk 14-15 clomid 50mg and 1/4mg liquidex througout. just an idea still looking for the sust250 so i may have to sub. something else for that any sugestion. just like to test drive the gear. not in any hurry.
6'1 180lbs working out for 15 yrs

 

[BigAndy69]

Hi all just want to run this first cycle by for advice. wk 1-10 250mg sust, 200mg deca wk13 100mg clomid wk 14-15 clomid 50mg and 1/4mg liquidex througout. just an idea still looking for the sust250 so i may have to sub. something else for that any sugestion. just like to test drive the gear. not in any hurry.
6'1 180lbs working out for 15 yrs

Looks good, but this is my favorite newbie stack, Test only:

200-250mg of Test Enanthate/Cypionate every 5 days (300-375mg a week) for 8 weeks

Propionate: 75mg-100mg EOD for W9-W12

Clen/Clomid: W13-...

Arimidex: 0.25mg ED or 0.5mg EOD throughout the cycle and until the last day of clomid.

A little pricey but a great cycle.

 

[frorider6]

Everyone overlooks an anavar/ox first cycle. I wish I'd done 40 mg ox for 10 weeks followed by Clomid as my first cycle.

But congrats on keeping the doses low. I went way overboard on my first cycle on the advice of many of the guys on here.

 

[cinnabar8521]

just trying to keep the numbers low if its like any of the other drugs i've used the more you use the more youwill have to use

 

[frorider6]

just trying to keep the numbers low if its like any of the other drugs i've used the more you use the more youwill have to use

Any reason you're specifically using deca? If you're using it for a specific reason that I'm cool with your cycle. Good luck.

However, don't overlook anavar. It's oral only and a lot of guys, even guys who have done lots of cycles, have good gains from it. Increase in strength, vascularity, and around 10-15 lbs (assuming your training and diet are right) with very little side effects.

It could be expensive depending on what kind you get, but you don't have to hassles with needles.

 

[Realgains]

Hi all just want to run this first cycle by for advice. wk 1-10 250mg sust, 200mg deca wk13 100mg clomid wk 14-15 clomid 50mg and 1/4mg liquidex througout. just an idea still looking for the sust250 so i may have to sub. something else for that any sugestion. just like to test drive the gear. not in any hurry.
6'1 180lbs working out for 15 yrs

I am all for getting the most out of as little gear as possible BUT your doses are a little light IMO. Also you don't need to stack either on your first cycle especially since you want to do test.

Try this.........front load the sust at 600 on day one. From then on inject 250 of sust biweekly with the first dose three days after the front load. You need to front load slow acting etsers like sust as it takes a couple weeks to reach optimum blood levels otherwise, and you also need to inject at least biweekly as sust has the prop ester in it and this ester clears in three or four days.

Run for 8-10 weeks max then hit the clomid hard three weeks after the last shot. Do 300mg on day one followed by 50-100mg per day for 10 days and then 50 per day for 10 more days.

Keep your caloric intake high and eat at least 300 mg of protein per day.

 

[cinnabar8521]

No real reason for the deca just alot of reading sounded good. don't know if i want to go with orals heard there are hard on the liver. but the results you say from anavar sound good enough to consider. any cheaper in price than the deca. don't have a sorce on anaver

 

[frorider6]

No real reason for the deca just alot of reading sounded good. don't know if i want to go with orals heard there are hard on the liver. but the results you say from anavar sound good enough to consider. any cheaper in price than the deca. don't have a sorce on anaver

I can't help you with a source. Anavar has been kinda sketchy lately. You might get contacted by "sources" trying to sell you some. Always check with several mods before ordering anything.

Anyway, I've never used the stuff but I hear really great things about it, especially for a first timer. Like I said, I wish it was my first cycle. It WILL be one of my future cycles, I just want to run deca next for my joints.

Oh yeah, while it is liver toxic, it's still very mild as far as that goes. Just don't stack it with any other orals.

 

[cinnabar8521]

Hey fro what levels wound you sugest on anavar with sust

 

[frorider6]

Hey fro what levels wound you sugest on anavar with sust

DISCLAIMER!!! I am no expert. These are just my opinions based on things I've read and experienced. I AM NO EXPERT.

Personally, I hate sust. The injections hurt like gunshot wounds for like 5 days. But that varies with different people and different manufacturers. IF I went with a test, I'd choose a single ester test. Read about the different kinds and ask the mods.

However, if I was going to run anavar as my first cycle, I wouldn't run test with it. That would defeat half the benefit of it, which is no needles. Do a search on anavar or ox* and see what people have to say about anavar only cycles. Most are very happy with them. Follow up with Clomid therapy. It's come to light recently that anavar does suppress your wee little apple bag.

Anavar will stack well with test though if you're set on using it but my personal recomendation is to run anavar alone.

 

[Realgains]

No real reason for the deca just alot of reading sounded good. don't know if i want to go with orals heard there are hard on the liver. but the results you say from anavar sound good enough to consider. any cheaper in price than the deca. don't have a sorce on anaver

I do not recommend orals really as there is no need to use them with test and tren around. BTW anavar is 17aa and not just d-bol and anadrol. Also tren is NOT hard not the kidneys...that was a myth that was started years ago by the late Dan Duchaine.
Myths die hard.
Anavar is faked a lot and is expensive!

Try this for a second idea........
Go to yahoo shopping and buy some Finaplix H.
Go to www.animalkits.be and buy a conversion kit.
Make your own tren for cheap!!
Testosterone is pretty cheap and not toxic even in pretty hard doses. A Test/ tren stack is great. You can start light........try test cyp 500 per week and tren 50 per day. Run the cyp for 6 weeks then stop but continue with the tren at 50 per day until the end of week 8 then stop the tren.......three days after the last shot of tren start clomid like I suggested in my earlier reply. I would front load the test at about 600 on day one and then inject biweekly at 250 with the first 250 three days after the front load.

Tren is okay to use as a newbie if you don't mind injecting every day. It really is no big deal with a 27 pin and an insulin syringe...no pain at all.
This is a safe, sane yet very productive stack bro.
Inregard to the injections.......get someone to show you how if ya can but it is no big deal really. Remember to alternate sites daily....upper outer glutes with mid outer thigh. You can use a 27 pin for the cyp too it just takes a little longer to inject.

 

[jc21]

hey cinnabar8521...i would change a thing. i think your cycle looks great. if you cant find sust then go with cyp or enanthate. which will be better for a first cycle. i am against the idea for anavar for a first cycle.

 

[genarr3]

No real reason for the deca just alot of reading sounded good. don't know if i want to go with orals heard there are hard on the liver. but the results you say from anavar sound good enough to consider. any cheaper in price than the deca. don't have a sorce on anaver

I'm going to disagree with the suggestion you use Anavar. Not because I dont think it's a good drug, it is, it's just too fucking expensive. I'll give an example, and keep in mind I'm talking about getting good gear, not IP crap, or the Spanish stuff where you send your money and all that comes is excuses.

SPA, BTG or PaperVar - Only good ones I know of.

SPA 2.5 mg, 30 tabs-----$40 - I know there will be dozens of posts from people that get these for 10 cents apiece, but this price is off a real list from a real source. You might be able to find it alittle cheaper, but not by much.

2.5 mg, 30 tabs-----$40 = $1.30 a tab
A modest dose of the good stuff would be minimum 25mgs/ED

So it's $13.00/ED

Seven days in the week = $91.00

Six week cycle = $546.00

Do you have any idea how much injectable gear you can get for $546? Enough for several cycles.

Stick with your original plan, it's the perfect newbie cycle. You'll do fine on it.

 

[Realgains]

In spite of all my blathering I would have to agree that your original idea is okay.

 

[G ChildlihC G]

I do not recommend orals really as there is no need to use them with test and tren around. BTW anavar is 17aa and not just d-bol and anadrol. Also tren is NOT hard not the kidneys...that was a myth that was started years ago by the late Dan Duchaine.
Myths die hard.
Anavar is faked a lot and is expensive!

Try this for a second idea........
Go to yahoo shopping and buy some Finaplix H.
Go to www.animalkits.be and buy a conversion kit.
Make your own tren for cheap!!
Testosterone is pretty cheap and not toxic even in pretty hard doses. A Test/ tren stack is great. You can start light........try test cyp 500 per week and tren 50 per day. Run the cyp for 6 weeks then stop but continue with the tren at 50 per day until the end of week 8 then stop the tren.......three days after the last shot of tren start clomid like I suggested in my earlier reply. I would front load the test at about 600 on day one and then inject biweekly at 250 with the first 250 three days after the front load.

Tren is okay to use as a newbie if you don't mind injecting every day. It really is no big deal with a 27 pin and an insulin syringe...no pain at all.
This is a safe, sane yet very productive stack bro.
Inregard to the injections.......get someone to show you how if ya can but it is no big deal really. Remember to alternate sites daily....upper outer glutes with mid outer thigh. You can use a 27 pin for the cyp too it just takes a little longer to inject.

Tren is a little harsh, but a good substance besides. I don't really recommend it for a newbie simply because of the frequency of injections.

 

[frorider6]

After finishing my Tren cycle, I can honestly say I wouldn't recommend that to ANY person new to this. TONS of injections, no real way to control the sides (you just have to spin the wheel and see what happens).

I do think his first cycle, at those doses, is a great cycle for someone new. I just think everyone overlooks a very safe and easy first time steroid too quickly. Yes, it can get expensive, but the accessories you have to buy with injectables can add up too. Anti-e's, 18 gauge pins for drawing, pins and syringes for injecting, alcohol pads, plus the pain of hiding everything.

Basically, you'll get a whole spectrum of opinions, as we've seen here. Everything from front loading massive amounts of test stacked with Tran to my suggestion of anavar only. You have to weigh the options, educate yourself, and decide on your own.

Good luck.

 

[MadCow1]

Hi all just want to run this first cycle by for advice. wk 1-10 250mg sust, 200mg deca wk13 100mg clomid wk 14-15 clomid 50mg and 1/4mg liquidex througout. just an idea still looking for the sust250 so i may have to sub. something else for that any sugestion. just like to test drive the gear. not in any hurry.
6'1 180lbs working out for 15 yrs

Assuming you know how to train and eat well you will make solid gains with this cycle and experience minimal sides if any. By week 10 you will be a happy man results wise. Make sure your protein intake is high for deca to work properly.

Clomid - 1st day start with 300mg
Lix - run it through the clomid therapy