first cycle

[olympia4ever]

hi people, ive just decided to register after reading quite a lot of the threads, this place seems really appealing cos its where like minded people can freely chat and help one another or whatever, cool.
Im taking my first cycle in july (cant bloody wait) ive been training 3 years and in july ill be 20 which is the age i said that i would contemplate taking roids...so in july ill be jaking up for the first time.

Ive thought hard and done numerous calculations about 4 cycles i intend to take before being able to enter the u21 british title (im from england), ive come up with what i think are some real good cycles (and a pro that helped me work them out). Im 190 @10% at the moment and hope to get up to 230-235@ 10% after the 4 cycles, i think that is a realistic target...the 4th cycle will be a cutting cycle... so ill keep posting up pictures of progress (when i finally take the plunge). My first cycle is...
deca 200 mg week 1
deca 400 mg week2-week7
deca 200 mg week 8
sust 250 mg every 5 days (about 375 mg a week)
clomid 1 tab a day starting week 11-week 13
proviron 1 tab a day each week but every other week
nolvadex on hand...although i doubt gyno will be a problem.

Ill be eating 7 meals a day, i know about food...all i eat is tuna and pasta or tuna and bread with butter 6 times a day, make real good gains but the food tastes like crap...im low on money being a student, but cant complain cos muscles keep growing on this diet, cant afford any protien shakes.

Whislt on the cycle i will have saved up enough money to have 7 meals a day (3 being n large2) and the rest tuna and pasta or tuna and bread. with training 6 days a week...normally i train 4-5 days a week but as its my first cycle i really want to hurt those muscles...just wanted to ask if anyone has any comments really or advice to give me, appreciate it guys, train hard and i look forward to reading some more cool threads on anything related to bodybuilding...one more thing lol...brad pitt looks crap and is tiny, ive read threads saying he may have used winny to get that cut, lol...are you sure guys? lol he is tiny and about 8% bodyfat...anyone (with in reason) can get like that with about 1 years training in my opinion. flex wheeler, now he does look good, so did arnold...but im sure youve heard this so many times before, bye people train hard.

 

[1Banshee]

Welcome bro!!!!
Test and Deca are a great first cycle!!!
There is no need to taper the deca as you have listed.. Pick a dosage (I would recommend 300mg's pw) and stick with it.
The test dosage looks good!!
With 375mg's test and 300mg's deca pw on your first cycle, your results should be outstanding!!
What is your reasoning for using Proviron one week on and on off?? Maybe I read that part of your post wrong??
You may want to up the dosage of Clomid for the first week post cycle. The usual amount is 300mg's day one followed by100mg's pd for the next week to 10 days, followed by 50mg's pd for the last week to 10 days.
Eat clean (high protein), train hard, and of course gets lots of sleep.

 

[genarr3]

Cycle looks good. I personally don't think there's a need to taper the doses. Tapering down at the end may have some merit, but tapering up as far as I'm concerned isn't needed. However I don't think it can hurt.

Bread and butter as far as I know isn't a staple in any bodybuilder's diet, you might want to re-think that part.

Read my post in this thread about Clomid:
http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=129870

 

[olympia4ever]

thanx guys, infact i might not bother tapering...it was just that on the first week i think id grow on any roids in me really no matter what dosage...as for the clomid thanx for the advice, lol...what i meant was (regarding the bread and butter)...im piss poor at the moment cos of being a student at uni...so all i can really afford is 6 cans of tuna a day as a protien source and a loaf of bread...butter lasts ages...its real cheap and means i get 240 grams of protien from the tuna alone and about 60 from the whole loaf of bread a day (4 grams of protien per slice) and the butter is just there for some fat, i also drink about 2 litres of milk which is another 35 grams of protien...its a real dull diet but gives me around 330 grams of protien and 400 grams carbs with 60 grams fat...and has worked well...of course when i start my cycle ill dig into my savings and eat some real carbs, mainly pasta...the diet im on with the tuna is so dull...but it enlightens my face to see it working esspecially when a lot of the juice heads at my gym ask if im on gear cos they say ive improved so much in the last 6 months...so i tell them...mate youll know when i go on gear, trust me lol

 

[olympia4ever]

thought id use the proviron just to make sure no gyno occurs, as i thought that it is an anti e, also thought it keeps you hard, ill have nolvadex at hand aswell. thought id take it for a week on then week off, cos i dont feel ill need that much of it, infact perhaps i should take it eod, thats probably a better idea, as i said its just to make sure i dont get any signs of gyno...which i doubt, but really desperate to compete at the british u21...so i have to fit in my 4 cycles, i cant f***ing wait...thanx

 

[1Banshee]

Proviron is in and out of the system fairly rapidly... I am not sure there would be a benefit from taking one tablet for a week and then not the next week..?? If you are limited as it sounds like you may be. I would recommend keeping the Proviron for post cycle. Taken at the end of you cycle and through clomid therapy the Proviron will help mitigate alot of the post cycle androgen crash type symptoms...
Also you are probably aware only take the Nolva if you develop signs of e-related sides..

 

[olympia4ever]

thats what my intention would be...id only take the nolva if i started to see any gyno...anyway i doubt ill need the stuff, i wasnt worried about it at all until i started reading some of these threads, everyone seems to be so worried about gyno...i thought on dosages of 400 deca and 375 sust gyno would definately be a problem, but people on here have started making me paranoid about it

 

[1Banshee]

Unfortunately there really is no good way to predict if you are going to suffer from gyno or not... At the dosages you are proposing though, I would not stress. Good luck bro!!!

 

[wizardnor]

Welcome bro!!!!

 

[RussianBro]

Unfortunately there really is no good way to predict if you are going to suffer from gyno or not... At the dosages you are proposing though, I would not stress. Good luck bro!!!

Karma for you, 1Banshee... You are cool... And responds are cool... Always have something to learn from you... Peace out...

 

[RussianBro]

Welcome, man...

 

[Silent Method]

Welcome. Looks as if we have an intelligent new member. (But Olympia, we bloody well know your from England, no need to tell us bro. Just using the word "bloody" gives it away!)

Good luck with your cycle and keep us posted.

 

[olympia4ever]

lol silent...ill cut out the 'bloody', one good thing about england is 'dorian yates' and of course ernie taylor...but our weather is crap and everyone in england hates bodybuilders almost...it is treated as something that stupid people get into cos they cant do anything else, etc and if anyone remotely buff walks around he is ussually frowned upon and the word spreads that he is on... wait for it...'steroids'...oh no, shock horror...hes on 'steroids'. its so funny to get the reaction from some of the girls at uni...'are you on steroids' they ask, almost every girl i meet and get chatting to, pretty funny really...the next thing is...'you do know that they make your dik shrink', so i go...oh, of course, you must be right, no, id never take them (obviously lying), they are very bad for you...(cassually twist the subject round for my benifit)...so do you work out?...lol you can guess where the convo will lead...thanx a lot guys for teh nice welcome, i hope i can have many intresting discussions in the future, bye

 

[Silent Method]

everyone in england hates bodybuilders almost...it is treated as something that stupid people get into cos they cant do anything else, etc and if anyone remotely buff walks around he is ussually frowned upon and the word spreads that he is on...

They fear you. Your bigger and more powerful than all the pasty skined bloody wankers (spell?) you run into! Sorry, thats my attempt at english lingo. Did I get it right?

BTW, no need to cut out the "bloody" thing. Talk however you like. While were on the subject, just curious, what are some of the sayings we Americans say that you guys get a kick out of?

(My all time favorite english saying, not sure how common it is, was a lady who told me to "go out and about and around yourself" when I asked for directions. I was thinking "yeah, same to you lady." Took me about an hour to figure out she simply meant turn aroung and go the other way!

 

[olympia4ever]

only american saying that i can think is different is the phrase 'jerk off'...in england we say 'gonna have a wank'...rather than 'gonna jerk off'... but ill try keep my language clean cos some members might get offended by my usage of rude words...when im older i want to move to cali thats if all my plans go to plan and i enter the u21 british...my honest opinion is i think ill walk the qualifiers (my regional competition) but cant really say how well ill do in the title, it all depends how my receptors are, if they are good then i should be able to do some damage i think. If i remain the same as i am now after my 4 cycles...190 against someone that is 200 and 4-5%...id get blown off stage...( id also be really pissed off if after 4 cycles and some gut busting hard work and eating and sleeping that i turned out the same as i am now) but i have a good feeling. Infact to be honest i have some regrets about using the roids in the summer but i know i have to use them if i have any hope of doing well at the juniors...i think i could get up to 205 around 10% though without the roids.but cant wait that much time. Just before my cycle ill post my pic, then ill post it after aswell.

 

[Trueman]

Hey man, what uni are you at in the UK? I study in the UK aswell although i have been in the USA since August doing my second year, but im coming home in May, YEAH! Cant fucking wait, juice is so hard to get and so much more expensive here in the US than it's back in the UK. Peace!

 

[olympia4ever]

im studying at leeds uni in england...it doesnt have a good gym (well, a good weights gym), its very small and has a poor atmosphere, but the fitness gym is nice (so i hear) although i dont go in there, when i have to do cardio work for contest prep i will just go for a run in the morning on an empty stomach rather than use the cardio in the fitness room...besides in my opinion you burn more calories whilst running in the cold. (lol...i couldnt afford the fitness gym prices either- although it would be nice to show off to some sexy ladies in the fitness gym). In my experience when running outside your body experiences more endorphin rush, rather than running on a treadmill in an air conditioned sweaty white room looking at the tv.

 

[1Banshee]

Karma for you, 1Banshee... You are cool... And responds are cool... Always have something to learn from you... Peace out...

Thanks bro!!

 

[olympia4ever]

i hope to get at least 20 lbs of quality, if i dont get 20lbs of quality then i will be very dissapointed, a friend of mine, who previously competed at u21 level and won regional competitions, started roids a while back for his cycle he took 200 deca for 6 weeks and put on about 18lbs of quality and kept almost all of it (so he told me)...im just intrigued on here why so many threads saying 'first cycle' are around and people plan on taking 30mg dbol ed for first 5 weeks, with 400 deca and 500 sust, aswell as arimidex and tons of nolvadex...although i havent taken my first cycle yet, i have spoken to some people at my gym including a pro bodybuilder and they say that no one would need to take that for a first cycle, also...non of these guys fuss about gyno all the time...
Its just interesting to see some of the first cycles that people want to take when i thought that my one would be quite a heavy going first cycle.

 

[Hengst]

Hey guy, you may want to consider adding some vegetables to your diet.

 

[olympia4ever]

your right mate, sorry i forgot to say, i eat about 3 fruits a day and sometimes vegetables, although mainly fruit. I just eat them on there own or with a meal, its just they dont contain protien fats or carbs so as far as calories are concerned they arent particularly relevant...despite being an abundant source of vitimins and nutrients.

 

[Silent Method]

I was just thinking that. I'd be paying very close attention to my vitamin and mineral intake, especially on gear. You can almost think of them as the "nuts and bolts" for your body.

Also, I'm no expert, and I'm not one to proclaim to everyone that they need to up their dosages. I think your on track. However, considering your goal, I may bump up the test a bit, maybe 500mg per week. On the other hand, I've only got one cycle under my belt, never used deca, and am sure you've done your homework on this. Also, have you considered liquidex?

 

[olympia4ever]

would like to use liquidex if i could get hold of some.

reason for doing sust 375 and not 500 in first cycle is cos in my next cycle i will do 500 ... for a first cycle i just think that 400 deca and 500 sust is too much...id rather start off slightly lower and build up...i think i can make just as good gains on it anyway otherwise i would be taking sust 500. sometimes people use cycles and stack in the dbol with 500 sust for a first cycle and after ive seen them they look like fat bags of water. from the first cycle it would be nice to get about 25 lbs of pure quality durable and lasting muscle, i think i will achieve this from this cycle and of course 7 meals a day and 10 - 11 hours sleep every night...thanx for all your replies, train hard, thanx for the advice...bye everyone