First cycle with my stats

[khavanin]

Folks,
Long time reader, first time poster. On to my question;
I'm planning to use a cycle for the first time(like a virgin). I was 178 lb with 13% BF (all natural) and now down to 150 lb with around 6% BF. I want to add around 20 lb of muscle while keeping my body fat around 6%. What type of juice/cycle can i use to acheive my goal without the least amount of side effects( I would like to have the simplest cycle). Please advise.

 

[Diabolical]

A test only cycle at 400-500 mg per week will give you a good 20-30 if you eat right and train properly and get good rest.

I always recommend test only as a first cycle, you will gain off of it about the same as if you added something else in their.
You react really well to gear on a first cycle.

Id go with test enenthate or cyp JMO

 

[chanmanfoo]

to add 20lbs you have to add some fat, with that said 150lbs i would run test cyp or enan at 250mg per week for eight weeks. eat six or seven times per day lots of protein and train hard. good luck
foo

 

[shrek1971]

Hey Chanmanfoo, you are a dumbass, you dont even know how to give positive advise. I would stack that with winny, eq, or primo. 8 weeks is long enough to shut down natural test, make sure you have clomid post cycle and hcg. Not to mention nolvadex if you are sensitive.

 

[TECH ONE]

This is what i would do:

Week 1-10 Test @ 250-500mg/week
Week 7-13 Winny @ 25mg ED
Then get on clomid

Just train hard, eat as clean as possible and make sure you protein intake is high!! Good luck bro!!

 

[novice22]

i like tech one's idea plus maybe 25mg dbol for weeks 1-8

 

[JoBu]

Hey Chanmanfoo, you are a dumbass, you dont even know how to give positive advise. I would stack that with winny, eq, or primo. 8 weeks is long enough to shut down natural test, make sure you have clomid post cycle and hcg. Not to mention nolvadex if you are sensitive.

Are you being serious? What was wrong with Foo's advice? For maximum muscle gain from a cycle you have to accept some temporary fat as well...that's reasonable. He suggested a simple conservative cycle for a 150lb newbie, plus good basic diet guidlines. Don't see anything negative about his advice...

JoBu

 

[khavanin]

Thank you all very much for your feedback. I'm a little confused now due to few different responce. May be , i should have been more specific about my condition and goal; my goal, as i mentioned, was to gain 20lb of solid muscle with minimum fat. I can gaing muscle naturally but will gain fat as well ( going from 6% to around 13% BF) which i'm trying to avoid. I have been working out for 10 yrs now and am 38yrs old. So i do not want something that put a lot of stress on my organs. May be i'm asking too much ( minimum fat gain and side effects with lots of muscle with simple cycle....). So please keep giving me your feedbacks and then i will make my decision.

 

[jubei]

Minimum risk to maximum benifit is never asking too much. In fact more people should be so inclined. Here you go.

Week 1-2 800mg eq
Week 3-10 400mg eq
Week 1-2 500 mg sustanon
Week 3-9 250mg sustanon
Week 10-12 100mg prop eod

Instead of front loading the cycle (double dosage sust/eq for weeks 1-2) you can opt to kickstart with either:

Week 1-4 25mg dbol ed
Week 1-6 50mg winstrol ed

Hope this helps.

 

[Diabolical]

Hey Chanmanfoo, you are a dumbass, you dont even know how to give positive advise. I would stack that with winny, eq, or primo. 8 weeks is long enough to shut down natural test, make sure you have clomid post cycle and hcg. Not to mention nolvadex if you are sensitive.

I have seen Foo give positive advise to many bros out there.
I hope this is a joke.

 

[Dante666]

Foo's not a dumbass. I would take his advice over the advice of Shrek, not because Shrek is wrong, but because I come from a similar school of thought when it comes to your chemicals. It is better to be too conservative than too hasty. By the way, adding d-bol week 1-8 is assinine in my opinion. I don't mean to be flaming novice22 because he might know I don't, but the longest I'd ever take it is five weeks, preferrably 4, longer and I'd be afraid of shitting out pieces of my liver, even with the detox.

 

[jubei]

Seems like everyone is in a fighting mood tonight. Foo is usually a little too conservative for me at times but never a dumbass. I think dbol for 8 weeks is too much, but many ppl disagree with my even my close friends. I have to admit that I am generally overly cautious. You will not shit out pieces of your liver...this is not 150mg/day of anadrol were talking about here. Anyways my idea was the best so don't worry about all that other stuff...J/K bros.

 

[Dante666]

I'm not fighting jubei, I see too much of that. I agree Jubei though, everyone has different schools of thought. You have to decide which one your going to subscribe too and leave the rest to how your body responds, and even a little bit to chance. D-bol can be done eight weeks, I just have wonder because he said he didnt' want to mess up his organs and that is always a risk in my opinion, especially with duration of use. I love you all, you are my brothers in iron. I mean no insult to anyone. " Nothin but love."

 

[poantrex]

Minimum risk to maximum benifit is never asking too much. In fact more people should be so inclined. Here you go.

Week 1-2 800mg eq
Week 3-10 400mg eq
Week 1-2 500 mg sustanon
Week 3-9 250mg sustanon
Week 10-12 100mg prop eod

Instead of front loading the cycle (double dosage sust/eq for weeks 1-2) you can opt to kickstart with either:

Week 1-4 25mg dbol ed
Week 1-6 50mg winstrol ed

Hope this helps.

This is absolutely ridiculous for a first cycle. There is no reason to use more than one substance...if his training and diet is in check, he could easily gain 20 lbs.

 

[brotheriron]

Try a small amount of test, maybe 250mg a week, along with a clean anabolic, like primo or decca, at about 2-300mg a week.
20lbs with no fat is a bit optimistic, be grateful if you get 10lbs. Personally id stay on for 6 weeks.
Bro

 

[chanmanfoo]

Hey Chanmanfoo, you are a dumbass, you dont even know how to give positive advise. I would stack that with winny, eq, or primo. 8 weeks is long enough to shut down natural test, make sure you have clomid post cycle and hcg. Not to mention nolvadex if you are sensitive.

sorry to tell you this shrek my friend but i have the feeling that not only are you the dumbass, but likely a prepubescent in search of his first pubic hair. i dont give negative advise on this board. with that said i advise you to stop acting like a jerkoff.
foo

 

[shrek1971]

Chanmanfoo, no prob, but you were the one who pissed me off. I was just stirring up some shit. Too bad you couldnt call me a jerk off to my face. Then you would be respecting me. I guess that is why computer chat boards are safe so guys like you can spout off and call someone ignorant for what they believe in. And no I did not get gyno from weed, nor do I have gyno. I hope this is the last time I talk to you. If it means anything............ I am sorry I hurt your ego.

 

[jubei]

you think 250mg of sustanon a week and 400mg of eq is an absurd amount? Eq is a rather mild androgen and only aromatises at about half the rate of testosterone. Using these long chain estered drugs properly means frontloading them for maximum blood levels to be obtained quickly. You are being shut down for the same amount of time but are getting a better anabolic/androgenic effect.

Using propionate at the end only serves to help with recovery. True you will be using a large amount for the first 2 weeks 800 and 500 mg respectively however this is 2 weeks and we are talking about injectibles, and as already stated Eq is not known for terrible androgenic side effects. Also eq stacks well with tesosterone, I have seen many people go on with excellent results. This above mentioned cycle is very safe when the proper ancillaries are used, but I assume that is a given with any cycle. "Absolutely Ridiculous"... I thought I was conservative.