First Cycle: Var only

[scorpion_xxx]

Hi everyone,

I've been reading this board for a while now trying to decide how to best start out.

Stats:
age: 32 (been lifting for almost 20 years)
H: 5' 7"
W: 155
BF: ~6% (very cut)
Goal: small to moderate lean body mass gain, increase hardness + vascularity +minimal sides

I'm considering a var only first cycle:
- 25 mg ED
(for recommended dose @ .125 mg/kg - works out to ~20 mg ED)
This would work out to ~1500 mg for 8 week cycle ($ - ?)
-creatine: 20+ mg/day
-proviron: 25 mg/day

I'm guessing clomid would not be needed post cycle.
Would clen post cycle be of any benefit (30 days - 40 mcg/day)?

Is George's ebook the best way to start?

Thanks for any input!

 

[Mavy]

Hey bro,

Even know you are kinda a little bro (i mean hieight and weight) ... I would bump the var dosage up a bit. I would go with at least 35mgs/day. Probably 40 if you were going to use it alone. I think that to best meet your goals, it wouldnt hurt you to stack it with an injectible, maybe EQ or primo. EQ + Var are a nice cycle which will produce some nice lean gains with minimal sides. There are a few people stacking these 2 compounds right now with beatiful results, maybe they will post up here. This is what I am going to be running on my next cycle also. For you I would try something like this if you still want to go 8 weeks.

Wk1-8
EQ: 400 mgs/wk
Var: 35mgs/wk

Wk9-10
Var 35mgs/day
Proviron: 20mgs/day
Creatine: 15g/day

Wk11-12
Postcycle regimen (dosent have to be clomid)
Proviron: 20mgs/day
Creatine: 15g/day

...Continue with creatine for 1 month. Can still continue using some post cycle products such as Avena Sativa or Trib etc etc...

As far as prices go (which are not allowed to be discussed in detail anymore) ... Lets just say that this is not a cheap cycle. Thr EQ costs basically next to nothing compared to running the var for that long. VAR and Primo will greatly increase the cost of any cycle. Hang around for a little bit bro and contribute a little bit to the boards and someone will more than likely point you in the right direction, but be carefull. Dont be blatently asking for a hookup like that or you are going to have all kinds of scammers knocking at your door.

Take Care, and be wise,
Mavy

 

[manny78]

the E-books are a must have. Secrets of mail Order and CME

Var only is a good cycle, but expensive. But assuming you can afford it this would be the perfect product for your goals.

 

[scorpion_xxx]

Thanks guys!

I've been reading that the primo is hard to come by.

Thanks for the info on the EQ, I will definitely consider this option!
400 mg/week sounds like a lot especially given my size and this being my first cycle.

 

[Nelson Montana]

At first I thought; okay, this guys been around, earned it, and is playing it safe. But then you said you wanted to add clomid, and in spite of my opinion of Clomid, there would be absolutely no reason to use it after a var only cycle.

Then you said you wanted to do clen, which also serves no purpose. (Unless you believe the myth about it being anti-ctabolic).

Clen is far more dangerous than most steroids, and hardly a good choice for a guy 155 pounds. I think you need to do a little more thinking and a little more homework.

 

[scorpion_xxx]

Nelson,

Please reread the original post, I said I do not believe the clomid is necessary either...

There seems to be differences of opinions on the subject in past threads on var cycles and post cycle recovery. I thought I would ask to be on the safe side.

I was looking for more info on the clen as there have been suggestions on using with var in other threads post cycle. From your opinion it sounds like something to be avoided.

Thanks.

 

[nadr7891]

Clen is for leaning out and you don't need to. i don't know how dangerous it is but it's definitely unnecessary in your case.

if the proviron is for libido you'll prolly need 50mg ED. i tell you one thing, i wish i could start from <10% body fat.

Nadr

 

[T2O]

I would bump the var up to 25 but no more. I hit 40mgs and didn't like it. Got strange aches and pains in my lower back (kidney region) no I am not saying it was my kidney (s) just saying it seemed to be in the area......, but each to their own. I def. wouldn't worry about clomid. no need with var alone. I love var makes you hard as a rock. If I had the money I would run a very, very, very long cycle of var only..

 

[scorpion_xxx]

T2O:

What was your lean body mass for the 40 mg dose?
What type of var was it?
From reading several posts on this board some are more potent than others.

I've been lifting naturally for many years and already have very good definition + low body fat level. My problem is gaining lean body mass - used to be easier in my 20's, not so easy past 30 and trying to maintain a low body fat level.

I really want that super hard + vascular look at low body fat levels and not risk any major side effects. I'm hoping the combination of var + proviron will accomplish this (maybe add EQ down the road).

 

[smb_69]

Mavy - you meant,

Wk1-8
EQ: 400 mgs/wk
Var: 35mgs/DAY

right?