First Cycle: Test E + Oral Dianabol + Aromasin

[Mike1979]

Hi Guys,


I have just joined and looking to start my first cycle soon.


I am 37 and been working out hard for the last 3.5yrs and on/off for the 10yrs before that. I have a trainer and my diet is covered so just wondering how my cycle looks.


Its a twelve week cycle including the PCT:


Week 1: TESOSTERONE ENANTHATE 3ml (once)/ Oral DIANABOL 20mg (Everyday)/ AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday)


Week2: TESOSTERONE ENANTHATE 3ml (once)/ Oral DIANABOL 30mg (Everyday)/ AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday)


Week 3: TESOSTERONE ENANTHATE 3ml (once)/ Oral DIANABOL 30mg (Everyday)/ AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday)


Week 4: TESOSTERONE ENANTHATE 3ml (once)/ Oral DIANABOL 40mg (Everyday)/ AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday)


Week 5: TESOSTERONE ENANTHATE 3ml (once)/ Oral DIANABOL 30mg (Everyday)/ AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday)


Week 6: TESOSTERONE ENANTHATE 2ml (once)/ Oral DIANABOL 30mg (Everyday)/ AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday)


Week 7: TESOSTERONE ENANTHATE 2ml (once)/ AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday)


Week 8: TESOSTERONE ENANTHATE 2ml (once)/ AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday)

Week 9: Nothing

Week 10: Nothing

PCT
Week 11: Nolvadex 20mg + Clomid 100mg + AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday)


Week 12: Nolvadex 20mg + Clomid 100mg + AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday).

Week 13: Nolvadex 20mg + Clomid 50mg + AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday)

Week 14: Nolvadex 20mg + Clomid 50mg + AROMASIN 12.5mg (Everyday)


Questions:


- How does this look?


- Is it ok to do Nolvadex + Clomid + Aromasin like this? I am trying to stay clear of Gynecomastia.


- The Oral Dianabol I will split into two doses and take with food. Once in the morning and once at night. When should I take the Aromasin?

Thanks guys,
Mike

 

[simon.sfeir]

It looks good i wouldnt go 100mg clomid keep it 50 . Aromasin u can take it anytime during the day

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[Mike1979]

Hi

I just checked my notes and I was meant say Clomid 50/50/25/25 not 100/100/50/50 - thanks for highliting it bud!

I'm also thinking of just fixing the Test E at 2 x 250mg. First one Monday and 2nd Friday or 100mg EOD. I am not starting this for a couple of weeks so still got time to decide/hear thoughts

 

[simon.sfeir]

Test e twice a week would be more than enough .if ur doin test p ull do 100mg e.o.d

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[simon.sfeir]

And it doesnt have to be exact ont mondsy and friday .as long as u have 500mg a week will be ok

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[Mike1979]

Nice one, thanks mate

Do I need the Dianabol?

What if I just did:

weeks 1-10 Test E 500mg single dose
weeks 11-12 nothing
weeks 13-16 Nolvadex 20mg/clomid 50mg (both everyday)
and run Aromasin 12.5mg (everday) except weeks 11 & 12

 

[simon.sfeir]

U can go for dianabol but ull get watercretention 40 50% of ur gain .although turinabol ull enjoy lean muscle gain no water retention and u can keep them for longer if u keep on workinout and eating properly

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[crazyeyes6679]

I did Dbol along with test E on my first cycle at last year at 37 years old. Got great gains from it. I would keep the Dbol!

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[crazyeyes6679]

Oh and the Test I also did 3ml but I split it into 2 jabs a week.

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[Mike1979]

Thank you both - I continue to hear good reviews about Dbol! ��

Crazyeyes, was you cycle very different to mine? how long did u do the dbol for and did you get any of the side effects? Last one, did you run Aromasin or Arimidex along side it like I'm planning to.



This video looks like great info:

 

[crazyeyes6679]

Hi mate. Similar cycle by the sound of it . I did test e 500mg (2 jabs pw) for 6 weeks then upped it to 750mg for 6 weeks. Ran Dbol 50mg/day for the first 5 weeks. Didn't run any ancillaries and experienced no major side effects apart from mildly sore nipples the first couple of weeks. Took milk thistle 350mg/day for liver support for first 7 weeks. Similar to you I'd also been training properly for around 3 years with decent nutrition after 10ish years of messing around at the gym not knowing what I was really doing. I put on 14kg in 12 weeks, cruised for 8 weeks on 250mg test e and know onto a cutting cycle and feeling good. Will be in the best shape of my life in 6 months at 38 lol

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[muskate]

Save the dbol for a second cycle brother. A simple testosterone cycle of 10-12 weeks at 400-500mg/week is your best option for a first cycle. Being new to steroids, your body will hyper respond and you don't need a very aggressive cycle. It's very similar to an 18 year old having their first drink. A single drink really hits them because they have never drank before. However, a more experienced drinker would need much more alcohol to get the same effect.
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This sport is all about progression. It's a marathon. You want to start slowly and work your way up. For a second cycle you can do testosterone + an oral as a kick start. For a third cycle you can do testosterone + an anabolic + an oral as a kick start, etc. If you start with a very aggressive cycle right off the bat, where will you go from there when you plateau? By starting slow you leave 'all your aces in the hole' and will be able to make progressive gains for a long time.


Here's what I recommend:


Weeks 1 - 10
testosterone 500mg/week <- inject 250mg twice per week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day


After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

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^The old school 2 SERM PCT is not optimal at all. Run the perfect PCT protocol after your cycle brother. It'll ensure you keep all the gains you made on your cycle and your natural testosterone production full recovers.

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

I have no issue with the doses you are running even though I prefer to keep test the same throughout the cycle. There is no need to taper. With test E being a long ester, I would run it 10-12 weeks if you can. 8 weeks is just a bit short. The main issues I see are that you are missing a liver support with the dbol, and the PCT is very poor. I would recommend 7 caps per day of N2Guard for the liver and follow this for PCT - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html

 

[Mike1979]

Sounds good - I am not sure that I'm as brave as you.

I think I'll chicken out and drop the oral in the first cycle. Like muskate says I can do testosterone + oral like Dbol for the second cycle ... Actually it will be good to see what testosterone does by itself .... I'm looking forward to comparing the two cycles to see how I get with each

 

[Mike1979]

That comment above was a reply to crazyeyes6679

sorry guys .. I'm learning slowly

 

[Mike1979]

Thanks muskate this is really helpful and totally makes sense and I'll just got with testosterone for the first cycle.

The perfect cycle looks very intense!!! maybe cause I'm new to this so everything looks a little intense
Also I'm in the UK and already found that N2Build and HCgeberate are sold out. I tried predatornutrition and they said they might not be getting them back.

 

[Jay Scott]

Smart choice. Just stick to test only and then you will see how your body responds.

You will have plenty of time in the future to add other compounds and see how they work with you - maybe some orals, maybe some other injectables.

There is no need to rush. And of course - good luck and have fun on your cycle!

 

[Mike1979]

Save the dbol for a second cycle brother. A simple testosterone cycle of 10-12 weeks at 400-500mg/week is your best option for a first cycle. Being new to steroids, your body will hyper respond and you don't need a very aggressive cycle. It's very similar to an 18 year old having their first drink. A single drink really hits them because they have never drank before. However, a more experienced drinker would need much more alcohol to get the same effect.
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This sport is all about progression. It's a marathon. You want to start slowly and work your way up. For a second cycle you can do testosterone + an oral as a kick start. For a third cycle you can do testosterone + an anabolic + an oral as a kick start, etc. If you start with a very aggressive cycle right off the bat, where will you go from there when you plateau? By starting slow you leave 'all your aces in the hole' and will be able to make progressive gains for a long time.


Here's what I recommend:


Weeks 1 - 10
testosterone 500mg/week <- inject 250mg twice per week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day


After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

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^The old school 2 SERM PCT is not optimal at all. Run the perfect PCT protocol after your cycle brother. It'll ensure you keep all the gains you made on your cycle and your natural testosterone production full recovers.

Thaks mate - is this perfect PCT still necessary considering that I am only on a 10 week 500mg test e only cycle?

This perfect PCT has a lot of stuff that we don't get in the UK and importing it (and the tax!) would cost a fortune. Should I try to get HCG to inject instead of HCGenerate ES?

Also, I've been reading that cardarine has only been tested on rats and causes cancer? Should I be worried?

 

[Mike1979]

I been reading more about Cardarine and the cancer link and it was based on a experiment on rats to which they gave a huge amount, like 10% of their body weight(!) which for me would be 9.3kg and im
only gonna be taking 20mg on the perfect pct. In fact, Cardarine and Ostarine sound amazing and I could see myself doing a cycle with just these.

The only things I'm missing for the perfect pct are the hcgenerate and n2guard. I may have to go for cheaper alternative makes. Theyre both sold out here and the supplier says they're not sure if we're getting them back again in the UK

Cheers buds!

 

[muskate]

Thaks mate - is this perfect PCT still necessary considering that I am only on a 10 week 500mg test e only cycle?

This perfect PCT has a lot of stuff that we don't get in the UK and importing it (and the tax!) would cost a fortune. Should I try to get HCG to inject instead of HCGenerate ES?

Also, I've been reading that cardarine has only been tested on rats and causes cancer? Should I be worried?

HCG and HCGenerate ES are completely different things. You can order HCGenerate ES directly from n2bm.com. They ship to the UK.

The rats who developed cancer when taking cardarine were using 10,000x the recommended dosage. Take 10,000x the recommended dosage of anything and you will get cancer. Cardarine is perfectly safe in my opinion.

 

[Mike1979]

Thanks buddy - my body fat is currently at 19% is it worth doing some Clenbuterol (I will also do cardio + more diet) before staring my Test E cycle in two weeks? I wanna get my bf as low as possible before starting. I've always had a bit of belly fat even when I have dieted hard and got my bf lower so just wanna see if I could get shot of it before starting.

Do I need to leave a gap between stopping the clennuterol and starting the Test E?

 

[muskate]

Thanks buddy - my body fat is currently at 19% is it worth doing some Clenbuterol (I will also do cardio + more diet) before staring my Test E cycle in two weeks? I wanna get my bf as low as possible before starting. I've always had a bit of belly fat even when I have dieted hard and got my bf lower so just wanna see if I could get shot of it before starting.

Do I need to leave a gap between stopping the clennuterol and starting the Test E?

[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]I personally am not a big fan of clenbuterol. [/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Clenbuterol is very over rated. Here's why -[/FONT]
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Clen simply raises metabolism. It does not differentiate between muscle or fat. Clen might raise your metabolism an additional 100-200 calories per day. You could just easily do an extra 15 minutes of cardio. I have used clen in the past and I always felt it did more harm then good. It caused muscle cramps when I was training and it really negatively impacted my sleep. [/FONT]
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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]There are better alternatives that directly increase fat loss, with no risk of loosing muscle mass and no side effects like insomnia or muscle cramps. Cardarine gw is going to be your best option. It directly increases fat loss, endurance and recovery. It is not a stimulant or a hormone and is pretty much void of side effects. [/FONT]
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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]I haven't used clen myself in years and don't recommend it to my clients at all anymore. If they are trying to burn fat, I recommend cardarine and maybe a good nutrient partitioning supplement like n2slin from n2bm.com.[/FONT]

 

[Mike1979]

Thanks bud
i used the Cardarine for ten days and it worked a treat! I started my cycle this week and just took my second shot of test e.
Thanks for your help