first cycle..please help

[eeyore]

Hi,

I'm about to start my first cycle and was wondering if I could get some critiques.....I have read numerous posts on this board and have done a decent amount of research...so..here goes...

I am about 180 lbs @ less than 10% BF. Been lifting for about 8 years.....(34 years old). I would like to gain about 20 lbs, and keep it , if possible....

Dbol=> 15-20 mg/d weeks 1-3

Deca and Enanthate=> 100mg/w each, weeks 1-2
Deca and Enanthate=> 200mg/w each, weeks 3-11

(these doses are somewhat in line with realgains posts)

Refraction :

I have read many things regarding refraction guidelines. The first is from "Built to Survive":

HCG=> 5000 iu/w for four weeks followed by ..
Clomid=> 100mg/d weeks 5-8

the second is taken from lawnsaver posts..

HCG=> 500 iu ed for 2 weeks..
Clomid=> 300mg day one; 100mg/d, day 2-11; 50mg/d, day12-21

I have read many contradicting post some stating clomid will make you lose gains, some saying the oppisite. I have also read that HCG should be used with Deca, and I have also read some that state that HCG, or any post therapy for that matter, is a waste of time.

I'm confused..can somebody please help.????

 

[Johnny Cut]

Hey bro

Just run the same amount of gear the whole way through

1-11 Deca 200-400mgs
1-11 Test Enanth 200-250mgs
1-4 dbol 25mg/day

HCG 500 iu days 2 and 5 for 2 weeks..
Clomid 300mg day one; 100mg/d, day 2-11; 50mg/d, day12-21

 

[MikeyG]

I'm with Jonny cut on this one.

Another thing you gotta change your name bro. Eeyore ain't a good name on a anabolic board you might be eaten.

 

[TECH ONE]

Johnny C is right on the money!! I would follow the cycle he laid out for you!! My only other advice is to eat like a mofo and continue to do so after your cycle so that you can maintain your new muscle mass!! Good luck with the cycle and do your self a favor and change your name dude!!!

 

[FatChops]

enanth @500mg/wk 1-10
deca @ 400mg/wk 1-10
dbol 25mg/ed 1-5

You'll be very happy with this one bro. Have fun and good luck.

 

[eeyore]

Thanks for all the info. everybody. It helped me a lot.

Guess I'll have to change my name though.........

 

[MASKEDMAN]

YEah what everyone else said, but I would run the Deca and test on a 2:1 ratio. I did that for my first cycle with 30mg of dbol a day taken every four hours. I saw very good results. Good luck and keep us posted on your results. Masked

 

[brotheriron]

You guys slate me for using over a gram of test per week, but no-one bothers when a "novice" is talkin bout doing 5000iu HCG a week post cycle?
Even I dont do more than about 3500 a week after doing a 2g test course.
Just a thought!?!!
Bro

 

[JayBro]

Fatchops has the good mass cycle...I would up the d-bol to 35mg's a day for 5 weeks.

 

[eeyore]

I never had any intention of doing 5000iu's of HCG....I was merely pointing out the contradiction of information I have found out there.

I will follow Johnny Cut's advice as written......

 

[eeyore]

By the way...I forgot to ask, can I change my name under my current account or do I have to re-register under a different name?

 

[02gixxersix]

Ive said it a thousand times. I still dont understand why people add d-bol to their first or even second or third or more cycles. Its harsh on your liver and its just not necessary. I know there are a lot of good bros on here, very knowledgeable ones too that agree with me. I personally dont know when i will ever use d-bol. I know it has its place but its not in a first cycle. test and deca will make u you grow and you could easily reach your gains without spending the extra money and doing damage to your liver, not to mention bloating up and shit. well watever to each his own. If I was to add anything it would be fine and thats also not necessary. That is only because im on fina for the first time and its just kicking in and im fuckin in luv with it. I feel great all the time and I've been an anmal in the gym. anyways test at 200 and deca at 400 is a good first cycle imo, but I personally would drop the deca too and run th test at 400 mg/wk. its cheaper and just as effective, and done correctly you can keep all your gains. I will never do deca bc i hear so many horror stories and therer are better alternatives. Eq sounds like the shit but I havent used that yet either. Def gonna be added to my next bulking cycle though. Well whatever you do good luck bro, welcome to the darkside, and just make sure you drink plenty of water, eat like a fuckin pig, and get lots of rest. Oh do some searhces on liver detox if you havent already.

 

[Johnny Cut]

Dbol is good for beginers because it gives them some immediate strength, as far as it bloating u up, well i think test does a pretty good job of bloating u up, thats why u take liquidex...Fina does a number on your body too, i agree with most by saying that alot of information out there is more to scare people about fina, but te fact is it shuts u down pretty hard.....def a 2nd or 3rd cycle thing, thats whats good about dbol, u dont have to inject and i really dont see any newbies wanting to turn themselves into pin cusions,......and BTW, fina does turn u into an animal...lol

Ive said it a thousand times. I still dont understand why people add d-bol to their first or even second or third or more cycles.,.... Its