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Tmedlin

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I am going to start my cycle the third week in march and here is what I am going to run. My cycle will be oral only. I refuse to ever stick myself with anything so don't even mention it.

Weeks 1-8 50 mg GP Methan50 (Dbol) per day
Weeks 1-8 25 mg GP Proviron per day
Weeks 1-8 3 Liv-52(Liver support) taken twice per day.
Nolvadex for roughly three weeks to a month after the cycle. When should I start my nolva exactly?

For my first cycle will this work? I am think of starting around 10mg per day on the dbol and working up to roughly 50mg a day and then back down to 10mg to finish off... What do you guys think? Should I just run 50mg the entire time or what?
I know I have a good starter stack I just need any advice and guidance that I can get. I appreciate any info or opinions that you have for me!
 
Don't taper and 4-6 weeks max for dbol you won't gain anything beyond that, proviron at 25 mgs does jack sh*t and will only cause even more uneven spikes in estro from the dbol bump it up to 50 mgs 25 am 25 pm same time and dose with your dbol
 
you refuse to stick yourself with anything then im sorry but i think your an idiot, if this is a one of cycle then by all means go for it, if your planing on a few cycles then you might aswell order a new liver while your at it, id get your tests done every few weeks, your missing out on the injects tho!!
 
I wouldn't run dbol 50mg the whole time for 8 weeks! That will be too much for 1st cycle.
Like you mentioned start off of maybe like 25mg for first week see how your body react. I wouldn't run more than 40mg ed for myself but that's just me.
8 weeks might be ok, but I would run something like wk 1-5 dbol then 5-10 var just because dbol is wears off after so many weeks.
For your pct, read the sticky in pct forum because nolva alone pct might not be effective enough.
 
Thanks for your help guys. I have a buddy that bought some anavar so I think were gonna run around 3 weeks or so of dbol to start then anavar for the last 3 weeks. This is like his 4th steroid cycle so he will most likely take the 50mg of dbol for the first 3 weeks.
My other friend ordered just some turnabol so i might try to trade him some of my dbol. Would 3 weeks dbol 1 week turnabol and 2-3 weeks of anavar work as a great starter cycle. All along the way I would be on proviron.
I also have a ton of Liv-52 to take all along the way as well.
 
pick one or the other or just 2 4 weeks each orals take about 2 weeks to kick in and switching them like that won't give them enough time to build up in your system
 
C.K. said:
pick one or the other or just 2 4 weeks each orals take about 2 weeks to kick in and switching them like that won't give them enough time to build up in your system
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My buddy says anavar for a couple days would be a great starter? But since I am taking oral only and it's Dbol do i really need any anavar?
 
orals are usually ran 4-6 weeks you're not gonna get anything outta 1 week of var or tbol
 
C.K. said:
pick one or the other or just 2 4 weeks each orals take about 2 weeks to kick in and switching them like that won't give them enough time to build up in your system
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But will 8 weeks work if I do it properly and take all the necessary precautions regarding estrogen and my liver?
 
Tmedlin said:
Would 3 weeks dbol 1 week turnabol and 2-3 weeks of anavar work as a great starter cycle. All along the way I would be on proviron.
I also have a ton of Liv-52 to take all along the way as well.
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Honestly that's the worst thing i've ever read lol. Switchin up compounds like that won't do shit for u. Stick to one oral and for no longer than 6 weeks. I suggest Beastrol or Tbol, nice lean gains...
A much more sensible idea would be to just get over the fear of needles and add some Test, Now ur cycling! Test is the "base" of a cycle bro. It's almost a must, so most of us will just shake our heads at a cycle without it.

Test Enanthate weeks 1 - 8
Beast or Tbol 1- 6

U'll need an ai. U'll need a pct. Nolva doesn't pass a pct around here..

Do that and ur doing things properly. Injecting is the only way to really enjoy cycling my friend. Oral only cycles is the beginning for most, but eventually one way or another everyone gets fed up, so do urself a favour an quit while ur ahead.
 
i can vouch for beast it is great as a stand alone cylce or as a kickstart my body looked totally different in four weeks
 
So what should I do and for how long? My buddy and I have anavar and dbol coming, plus some Proviron, clomid, and nolvadex
Thanks!
 
Deltoid_87 said:
Honestly that's the worst thing i've ever read lol. Switchin up compounds like that won't do shit for u. Stick to one oral and for no longer than 6 weeks. I suggest Beastrol or Tbol, nice lean gains...
A much more sensible idea would be to just get over the fear of needles and add some Test, Now ur cycling! Test is the "base" of a cycle bro. It's almost a must, so most of us will just shake our heads at a cycle without it.

Test Enanthate weeks 1 - 8
Beast or Tbol 1- 6

U'll need an ai. U'll need a pct. Nolva doesn't pass a pct around here..

Do that and ur doing things properly. Injecting is the only way to really enjoy cycling my friend. Oral only cycles is the beginning for most, but eventually one way or another everyone gets fed up, so do urself a favour an quit while ur ahead.
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agreed^^^. But if you still insist on oral only outta what you have got with the var imo. Will give you the most keepable gains
 
My stuff came in the mail today.
dbol - forty 50mg tablets
Proviron - forty 25mg tablets
nolva - thirty 20mg tablets
and Liv 52 Liver support which contains 100 capsules.
What would you guys recommend I should do as far as dosage and cycle length go? I have a friend with some anadrol that wants to trade me some for my dbol to jumpstart my cycle but I am skeptical. Need opinions on this.
Keep in mind this is my first ever cycle which is the reason it is oral only, so don't bother mentioning injectables just yet...
Appreciate the help!
 
1-7 liv 52 2 a day
2-5 25mgs dbol
2-5 25mgs proviron
6-9 20/20/10/10 nolva

Go buy some cycle support too and take 2 scoops (1 morning and 1 evening) for weeks 1-9

Thats a side free safe first cycle. 50mgs is way overkill for dbol, dont use another oral with it. Dont use the anadrol. Just stick with the dbol and prov as laid out above and youll see results and recover.
 
Dogfox said:
1-7 liv 52 2 a day
2-5 25mgs dbol
2-5 25mgs proviron
6-9 20/20/10/10 nolva

Go buy some cycle support too and take 2 scoops (1 morning and 1 evening) for weeks 1-9

Thats a side free safe first cycle. 50mgs is way overkill for dbol, dont use another oral with it. Dont use the anadrol. Just stick with the dbol and prov as laid out above and youll see results and recover.
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At what times during the day should I take my dbol, proviron, and liv 52.
Cycle support? What will that do for me that liv 52 isn't already?
Is the product called cycle support or do you recommend a certain one?

At 25mgs a day I'll have 80 pills of dbol. You recommend me taking 28 days worth so I'll have 52 tablets left. Can I run dbol longer than just 4 weeks? Same applies to proviron. I have forty pills of that and you only have me using 28.
Should I start at lower than 25mg per day of dbol and taper up or just 25 straight through?

Since I will have so much dbol left over, could I trade my friend some of my dbol for some clomid and turnabol? Could I then use nolva and/or clomid after one month of dbol and then take turnabol for to 2-3 weeks to finish everything off while taking my nolva and/or clomid?
 
Tmedlin said:
At what times during the day should I take my dbol, proviron, and liv 52.
Cycle support? What will that do for me that liv 52 isn't already?
Is the product called cycle support or do you recommend a certain one?

At 25mgs a day I'll have 80 pills of dbol. You recommend me taking 28 days worth so I'll have 52 tablets left. Can I run dbol longer than just 4 weeks? Same applies to proviron. I have forty pills of that and you only have me using 28.
Should I start at lower than 25mg per day of dbol and taper up or just 25 straight through?

Since I will have so much dbol left over, could I trade my friend some of my dbol for some clomid and turnabol? Could I then use nolva and/or clomid after one month of dbol and then take turnabol for to 2-3 weeks to finish everything off while taking my nolva and/or clomid?
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Liv 52 is for your liver. BP, cholesterol, kidneys etc are taken care of by anabolic innovations cycle support. If you can afford it take a dose in the morning with breakfast, and a dose in the evening with dinner.

I am fully aware you have more dbol but to use more than suggested or for longer is not necessarily better. If you can get your hands on tbol in place of the dbol then that is a much better choice for an oral only first cycle. If you can get tbol run that at 30-40mgs for 5 weeks and you wont need the proviron.

No you should not use other steroids i your pct while taking nolva and clomid. They help you recover so dont interfere with that. As a rule of thumb you will be able to use steroids again 2 months after you finish your pct: time on plus time off equals time inbetween cycles. That is a general rule however for some it can be longer.

Oh and if you do run your dbol/proviron try and take them twice a day morning and evening. Get a pill cutter and split them up.
Liv 52 taken morning and evening two.

Again tbol > dbol for your type of cycle so if you can get that then use it instead.
 
Dogfox said:
Liv 52 is for your liver. BP, cholesterol, kidneys etc are taken care of by anabolic innovations cycle support. If you can afford it take a dose in the morning with breakfast, and a dose in the evening with dinner.

I am fully aware you have more dbol but to use more than suggested or for longer is not necessarily better. If you can get your hands on tbol in place of the dbol then that is a much better choice for an oral only first cycle. If you can get tbol run that at 30-40mgs for 5 weeks and you wont need the proviron.

No you should not use other steroids i your pct while taking nolva and clomid. They help you recover so dont interfere with that. As a rule of thumb you will be able to use steroids again 2 months after you finish your pct: time on plus time off equals time inbetween cycles. That is a general rule however for some it can be longer.

Oh and if you do run your dbol/proviron try and take them twice a day morning and evening. Get a pill cutter and split them up.
Liv 52 taken morning and evening two.

Again tbol > dbol for your type of cycle so if you can get that then use it instead.
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I am going to purchase cycle support. Will the post cycle support be a worth while purchase for PCT to run with my nolvadex?
What is wrong with running 4 weeks of dbol if I take all the necessary precautions and do everything perfectly? I have read that turnabol is a fairly mild oral steroid and when ran alone I won't see much results from it. This will likely be my first and last steroid cycle that I ever do. I am near where I want to be physically I just want to push my size up another 12 pounds or so after pct and all water weight is gone. My friend also doesn't want to give up his turnabol and has taken dbol and he says it is perfect for my situation.
I am 6'2 183lbs 6% body fat and I can bench around 265. My goal is ultimately 195 with 5-6% body fat and benching 315. I am absolutely a hardgainer and I look semi shredded all the time, which I like. My body fat goes up 1-2 percent when I bulk in the winter, but I really want to do one last bulk before summer. Will I be able to achieve these goals from this cycle?

How long should I run the dbol and proviron to see maximum gains for a one of cycle. Also will N2guard be necessary or will the cycle support take care of me on this cycle? Also would anyone recommend some sort of body cleanser or liver detoxer for pre or post cycle to flush out anything in there to prepare for my cycle or get rid of any crap in there for post cycle?
Will a natural test booster be necessary to go along with the nolvadex?

Thanks
 
you can use test booster if you want, i personally really like sustain alpha - lots of people here like HCGenerate. Goals are not that realistic, will depend on your diet and sleep. By now you should have planned the exact macronutrient breakdown of your diet - ie cals from fat, percentage of sat fats, cals from carbs, percentage of those carbs that are sugars, and amount of protein (2g per lb of BW will be needed for max gains) and also how much sleep you can get/what you can do to maximize the amount you get. So if you havent already start mapping out a diet plan and the times you will eat.
the liv 52 and cycle support will protect you well enough - you should probably look into getting fish oils and a good multi vit tho as well as eat alot of green veg - by doing this you can minimize the negative impact on your body that the steroids will have. If you havent fully achieved your results you could go an extra week on the cycle above, yes i am aware youll still have some dbol left over.
 
Dogfox said:
you can use test booster if you want, i personally really like sustain alpha - lots of people here like HCGenerate. Goals are not that realistic, will depend on your diet and sleep. By now you should have planned the exact macronutrient breakdown of your diet - ie cals from fat, percentage of sat fats, cals from carbs, percentage of those carbs that are sugars, and amount of protein (2g per lb of BW will be needed for max gains) and also how much sleep you can get/what you can do to maximize the amount you get. So if you havent already start mapping out a diet plan and the times you will eat.
the liv 52 and cycle support will protect you well enough - you should probably look into getting fish oils and a good multi vit tho as well as eat alot of green veg - by doing this you can minimize the negative impact on your body that the steroids will have. If you havent fully achieved your results you could go an extra week on the cycle above, yes i am aware youll still have some dbol left over.
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I ordered a tub of cycle support today. Thanks for the recommendation. I will look into sustain alpha and hcgenerate and make my decision by next week. My diet is planned. I am ready to roll. Two more weeks until I start my dbol. I will start my liv 52 march 10th and dbol the follow week.
I plan to run dbol starting at 25mgs and then work from there. Probably around 4-6 weeks depending on the dosage I end up with and how my body reacts. I am going to start running proviron at 25mgs for the first week then bump it up to 50mgs for the rest of the cycle because I have a short supple of it. Liv 52 will be ran throughout until the cycle finishes as will cycle support. I will start that when I start the dbol and run until I run out of the cycle support, which will be slightly after I finish my dbol. I will be taking ZMA in the evenings, C4 preworkout from Cellucor, 1 gallon+ of water per day, optimum nutrition serious mass protein (i'm a hardddd gainer), optimum nutrition multivitamin, and fish oil that has omega 3 in it.
How does this all sound to you guys? Thanks so much for the advice and helpful guidance thus far.
 
ishaq said:
you refuse to stick yourself with anything then im sorry but i think your an idiot, if this is a one of cycle then by all means go for it, if your planing on a few cycles then you might aswell order a new liver while your at it, id get your tests done every few weeks, your missing out on the injects tho!!
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keep the name calling to your self bro. We dont act like little kids around here. THANK YOU :heart:
 
Could I stack a 10mg dose of anavar with my 25mg of dbol for the first 5-7 days of my cycle? I am going to have a good bit of dbol left over after my cycle is over and my buddy wants some and is willing to trade some anavar. He says anavar is a very quick acting oral steroid for strength gains and he claims that it will skyrocket my strength in the first few days. Would I see any benefit of adding 10mg of it per day for 5-7 days?
Thanks
 
Im highly doubtful anything good will come from 5-7 days of especially at a dose that low the regular dose is about 50 mg a day and thats on the low side
 
i cant advise that you cant jumpstart an oral with another oral. You can run anavar solo and then use dbol in pct if you want but if you dont have 6 or 7 weeks of var id just run dbol
 
TheN1ghtmare21 said:
i cant advise that you cant jumpstart an oral with another oral. You can run anavar solo and then use dbol in pct if you want but if you dont have 6 or 7 weeks of var id just run dbol
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How does my dosage of dbol sound? Would I benefit from a heavier dosage for 5ish weeks or a lighter dosage for 7-8?
 
My cycle started on the 13th and I have definitely put on some water weight, but at the 25mg dosage of dbol (12.5mg morning and night) and with 25mg proviron (12.5mg morning and night) the water seems to be somewhat controlled. Haven't noticed any strength gains quite yet but I have only been through my entire workout once so far.
Would sitting in the sauna or increasing my cardio be smart on a bulk? What about a hot tub?
Also I am thinking of going to give plasma this saturday for fundraising, but I have never done it before... Will these supplements have any affect on the plasma in my blood or the results the clinic will see? I will be going with some buddies and I don't want them to know that I have abnormal test levels.
 
Today was a loooong off day. Had headaches all day. I think partially that it could be a side effect and partially because I didn't take a preworkout at my normal time like my body is use to so no caffeine in my system :/
Tomorrow is my second chest/tri day so I am anxious to kill the weights!
 
digit0x said:
You're lifts will explode at day 10. 30 mgs dbol does wonders for me but some do use higher.
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Good to hear! The weight is packing on nicely, but the strength hasn't shown up quite yet!
I am taking 25mgs for 8 days then bumping it up to 40mg for 8 days. If my body reacts well to the 40mg I will then take 50mg for 30 more days until my cycle is over, but that is if and only if my body reacts well and I see great results without too much bloating and water retention.
 
Today was day 7 of my cycle. I was dumb and went to bed at 5 am last night and slept until 2 today... I still managed to have an omelette before bed and when I went to pee around 10:30am I got up, took my dbol, proviron, and liver support, then drank about 12 ounces of water with around 7g of protein worth of peanuts, haha... Typical saturday, but I made up for it by working extremely hard in the gym today. Back/biceps/abs was today and my buddy and I cranked it... Afterwards it was tons of spaghetti and breadsticks! Man I love bulking!!
I was down a little in weight today, but I know that is only due to not having any food or water in me, so I am not worried too much about it.
Tonight is my final dosage of 25mg and tomorrow I start 40mg! Woo!

On a different note I am really short on funds right now but I need a good product for pct that is very cost effective. I have been looking around on NTBM.com. Is the HCGenerate or the N2Guard worth the 70 or 60 bucks respectively? I already plan to take nolva for pct but I definitely want something to supplement that.
 
I recently got paid so I want a sick PCT.
What about post cycle and unleashed from NTBM.com? I also see where some people even stack that with HCGenerate? Is that really necessary? Thats a 110 dollar pct not counting the nolva!! Is the HCGenerate or the N2Guard worth the 70 or 60 bucks respectively? I already plan to take nolva for PCT but I definitely want something to supplement that.
Can I take HcGenerate stand alone with the nolva and be set?
I only have experience with PCTs coming off of a prohormone so I need some guidance!
 
an advil a day takes my blood pressure headaches away
 
Tmedlin said:
I recently got paid so I want a sick PCT.
What about post cycle and unleashed from NTBM.com? I also see where some people even stack that with HCGenerate? Is that really necessary? Thats a 110 dollar pct not counting the nolva!! Is the HCGenerate or the N2Guard worth the 70 or 60 bucks respectively? I already plan to take nolva for PCT but I definitely want something to supplement that.
Can I take HcGenerate stand alone with the nolva and be set?
I only have experience with PCTs coming off of a prohormone so I need some guidance!
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BUMP
Anyone?
 
6'2" and 183 = skinny...and your ultimate goal is to be 195 (still skinny)? 12 lbs? You want to gain 12 lbs? Fuckin A, you just need to eat (no, I mean REALLY eat), and most likely change your training too. God damn.
 
ceo said:
6'2" and 183 = skinny...and your ultimate goal is to be 195 (still skinny)? 12 lbs? You want to gain 12 lbs? Fuckin A, you just need to eat (no, I mean REALLY eat), and most likely change your training too. God damn.
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I started last January at 140. I know I know but that's my body's natural set point. I have gained 40 pounds naturally and have not seen much gain in the last 3-4 months. I have a great diet as well. I genetically have
6% bodyfat. I take 3 weight gainer shakes with 900-1100 calories apiece on top of 4 meals per day to total 6 meals per day and between 5000 and 6000 calories per day. Even after that I can't put on any fat (thank god) but I'm 186 now with 6% body fat. That's allot of lean mass man compared to a 200 pounder with 11-12% body fat. My goal is 195-200 with 6% body fat. That's huge for me. I'm not trying to compete just be healthy and extremely fit looking...
 
Tmedlin said:
I recently got paid so I want a sick PCT.
What about post cycle and unleashed from NTBM.com? I also see where some people even stack that with HCGenerate? Is that really necessary? Thats a 110 dollar pct not counting the nolva!! Is the HCGenerate or the N2Guard worth the 70 or 60 bucks respectively? I already plan to take nolva for PCT but I definitely want something to supplement that.
Can I take HcGenerate stand alone with the nolva and be set?
I only have experience with PCTs coming off of a prohormone so I need some guidance!
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First if your really a hard gainer you need to up your calories even more add another 1000 find a way, get up earlier do whatever you got to do. N2Gaurd is great I run it on every cycle now 1 of my favorite supplements. Post Cycle + Unleashed combo is great I have run it before and I am running HCGenerate now. HCGenerate can be run alone but stack with Unleashed + Post Cycle and see even better results. But I would be running HCGenerate with Unleashed and Froma on cycle with Phytoserms, Forma and Post cycle included in your PCT. I am using Phytoserms now with HCGenerate and love it. Unfortunately both are out of stock, even at RLS phyto is out of stock lol. You can get Unleashed + Post cycle at Needto's site here use Gamer15 for 15% off if you don't use the 25% off for march code. Unleashed/Post Cycle Combo Also a way to substitute for HCGenerate is take Bridge at double doses, I am using it as well with HCGenerate but anyways it costs a little less when you buy 2 bottles because your running at double dose and works almost the same as HCGenerate, its on same site as unleashed post cycle combo here http://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Cycle-Support/Bridge--p56.html. Check this link out on Post Cycle + Unleashed can be used as a sub for Nolva or run both for better effect. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...anzol-unleashed-post-cycle-advice-740719.html Here is a link to Forma read on it you'll see how it will help you on cycle and during pct https://www.mrsupps.com/Products/18/Forma+Stanzol So really only things you can buy now are bridge, N2Gaurd, post cycle + unleashed and forma. everything else out of stock with that sweet deal going on. It may be expensive but HCGenerate and N2Gaurd and the others are worth the money a proper PCT will help you keep your gains it is not something you wanna take lightly. If it was cheap then everyone would do it.
 
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Lancer55 said:
First if your really a hard gainer you need to up your calories even more add another 1000 find a way, get up earlier do whatever you got to do. N2Gaurd is great I run it on every cycle now 1 of my favorite supplements. Post Cycle + Unleashed combo is great I have run it before and I am running HCGenerate now. HCGenerate can be run alone but stack with Unleashed + Post Cycle and see even better results. But I would be running HCGenerate with Unleashed and Froma on cycle with Phytoserms, Forma and Post cycle included in your PCT. I am using Phytoserms now with HCGenerate and love it. Unfortunately both are out of stock, even at RLS phyto is out of stock lol. You can get Unleashed + Post cycle at Needto's site here use Gamer15 for 15% off if you don't use the 25% off for march code. Unleashed/Post Cycle Combo Also a way to substitute for HCGenerate is take Bridge at double doses, I am using it as well with HCGenerate but anyways it costs a little less when you buy 2 bottles because your running at double dose and works almost the same as HCGenerate, its on same site as unleashed post cycle combo here Bridge. Check this link out on Post Cycle + Unleashed can be used as a sub for Nolva or run both for better effect. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...anzol-unleashed-post-cycle-advice-740719.html Here is a link to Forma read on it you'll see how it will help you on cycle and during pct https://www.mrsupps.com/Products/18/Forma+Stanzol So really only things you can buy now are bridge, N2Gaurd, post cycle + unleashed and forma. everything else out of stock with that sweet deal going on. It may be expensive but HCGenerate and N2Gaurd and the others are worth the money a proper PCT will help you keep your gains it is not something you wanna take lightly. If it was cheap then everyone would do it.
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I am going to order today to get the march discount. Will I have a great PCT if I buy the unleashed + post cycle, use nolva, and what else to add with it?
I appreciate the detail of your post! Helps so much. How essential is the two bottles of bridge? I have roughly 30 days left of my cycle so I wanna go ahead and get this stuff in. (wish I could have purchased it all at the same time with my cycle stuff, but funds wouldn't allow :/)
Also could u recommend any dosaging and when to start the different things I am taking?
Thanks
I was planning on this for Nolva
April 28- May 26 4 weeks Nolvadex
April 28-May11th 20mg (14 pills)
May 12th -26th 10mg (16 days, 8 pills)
Total = 22 pills
 
Tmedlin said:
I am going to order today to get the march discount. Will I have a great PCT if I buy the unleashed + post cycle, use nolva, and what else to add with it?
I appreciate the detail of your post! Helps so much. How essential is the two bottles of bridge? I have roughly 30 days left of my cycle so I wanna go ahead and get this stuff in. (wish I could have purchased it all at the same time with my cycle stuff, but funds wouldn't allow :/)
Also could u recommend any dosaging and when to start the different things I am taking?
Thanks
I was planning on this for Nolva
April 28- May 26 4 weeks Nolvadex
April 28-May11th 20mg (14 pills)
May 12th -26th 10mg (16 days, 8 pills)
Total = 22 pills
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Your pct will be great if you use with nolva. The 2 bottles of bridge IMO would definately be worth it, it is great for pct it will help you keep your gains on cycle and keep making gains during pct. "Unleashed increases free testosterone without suppressing HPTA by lowering SHBG so even if you are suppressed after your cycle you can have higher testosterone levels than most normal guys. This is an amazing advantage when trying to recover" so that pretty much explains itself stacked with bridge which also increases free test. And as for post cycle, "It lowers estrogen, detoxifies the liver, reduces bloat caused by estrogen, and promotes erectile strength – all things of a major concern in post cycle therapy" running dbol this will be a nice thing to use.

As for the forma it is a great supplement "It increases IGF-1 levels by an amazing 26%. It also increases HPTA activity and testicular activity similar to a combination of HCG and Clomid"

FORMA-STANZOL decreases SHBG 34% thus increasing androgen activity, which basically makes androgens/steroids in your systems MORE effective WITHOUT any increase in dosage.

FORMA-STANZOL increases IGF-1 levels by a whopping 26%, doing so creates the perfect anabolic muscle building environment on cycle, off cycle and during pct.

So forma with unleashed will lower SHBG levels and it explains why thats good above then unleashed with bridge increases free test levels. with a low SHBG and more free test that will help you keep making gains in your pct. then forma with post cycle will help any estrogen problems. So they all compliment eachother and work well together I would be lying if I said I didn't think you should get them all. IF money is an issue and I could only get 1 of these I would get bridge. You have nolva to help with estrogen it just wouldn't work as well compared to running forma and post cycle on top of it. Then bridge does help increase free test levels but they would be even higher and more effective with forma lowering SHBG and unleashed which would make more free test and lower SHGB. As for dosages I would take two Unleashed and two Post Cycle 1 in am 1 in pm and Forma 10 pumps a day 5 in am 5 in pm. Bridge this is my first time running it so I am splitting dosages every 4-6 hours 3 a day. If you meant Nolva dosages I am unsure I have never used nolva.
 
If you order forma from mrsupps use needto10 for 10% off
If you order from N2BM use needto25 for 25% off
 
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Newest update I have been in the gym for a week now and I'm getting pretty solid workouts in. I have had to switch everything to 10-15 reps though for my neck and back. I can't bench much, so I have been doing allot of dumbbells which I am enjoying.
My diet is pretty stout and I am drinking more and more water everyday, but the problem is I went from 178-186 in a week and then I have stopped. I have been on 50mgs of dbol a day (25mg at around 8:30-9:30 every morning) and around 12-1 every night but from 25 to 50 mg I have not seen anymore gains and its been almost three weeks on this cycle. I still am at the 25mg proviron per day with liv 52 morning and night with AI's cycle support am and pm as well. I seem to almost be getting more shredded. I got the initial bloat when I first started the cycle, but that has all but gone away. You wouldn't think I am on dbol by the look of me this week compared to the first week on the cycle. Should I up the dosage to maybe 75mg per day? How would by body react to 25mg am, 25mg at lunch, then 25mg before bed? I heard the shelf life of dbol is 3-6 hours? Is my separating 25mg twice per day not the most affective way to take the dbol?
Let me know I am confused by the whole thing. I have bumped up to 4 protein shakes a day in desperation for more weight... I'm not really seeing any Strength gains either as I thought I would.
 
You need to up your calories more to feed those new muscles, some people take all their dbol pre workout for an extra boost giving you a better workout and making more muscle gains.
 
Lancer55 said:
You need to up your calories more to feed those new muscles, some people take all their dbol pre workout for an extra boost giving you a better workout and making more muscle gains.
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Should i take the entire 50mg preworkout? Also how long before I workout should I take the dbol?
 
Tmedlin said:
Should i take the entire 50mg preworkout? Also how long before I workout should I take the dbol?
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you could but im not a dbol expert, when you don't spread a steroid or hormone out your blood levels aren't as stable and if I remember right could lead to increased side effects, if you go that route I would imagine 30 min to one hour tops. I would gladly search for you but I cannot use my right hand it took me forever to type this with left only, I got in a fight yesterday and its swollen cannot extend middle finger or grip anything. :p
 
Lancer55 said:
you could but im not a dbol expert, when you don't spread a steroid or hormone out your blood levels aren't as stable and if I remember right could lead to increased side effects, if you go that route I would imagine 30 min to one hour tops. I would gladly search for you but I cannot use my right hand it took me forever to type this with left only, I got in a fight yesterday and its swollen cannot extend middle finger or grip anything. :p
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haha ok i'll do that then...
I'm sorry bro... who started the fight and who ended it? :D
 
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