First Cycle-need assistance

[Hungrt]

Hello,
I've been researching cycling for quite a while now so I am thinking of starting my first cycle real soon. Here are the basics:


Liquid dbol- 30mg ED / week 1-3
Test Prop- 500mg per week/ 175mg EOD/ week 1-6

PCT- start 3 days after last pin
Nolva- not sure quantity and length 40mg/ED for 5 weeks?
HCG- 500 ui per week during cycle

Depending on how well the Dbol works I might just do it for 2 weeks.

Is this going to be enough PCT for such a cycle?
I don't understand how gyno works, basically is it something that is reversible at the start? Is that why you need an AI? I want to make sure I don't fuck up my body or get gyno.

Stats are 21 years old, 5'10, around 155 pounds(have no weighed myself recently). Ive been working out on/off for a while and was a lot bigger about a year ago but due to drug abuse lost a lot of gains and now I am getting back on track. I put hard drugs behind me but smoke weed regularly.I think this cycle will get me where i want to be looks/weight wise. I can post pictures if anyone is interested. Advice and opinions are welcome. Thank you.

 

[Redfield11]

1. You are very young. I'd urge to wait until you are a bit older to start using steroids.

2. Steroids should only be used once you've achieved a solid foundation of muscle. This is achieved through hard work and discipline.

3. First cycles should consist of one and only one compound. You do not know how you're going to react to different compounds. So if things go wrong on-cycle, how are you going to know what's causing you the issues when you're taking multiple compounds at once for the first time.

I do NOT recommend that you use steroids. But no one here is going to be able to stop you. I therefore urge you to do this cycle if you do anything at all.

Week 1-12 Test E 500mgs/week
Week 1-12 Aromasin 25mgs/ED
Week 1-12 N2Guard 2 caps AM/2 caps post-workout/3 PM
Week 10-12 HCGenerate 3 caps AM/2 caps/pre-workout

PCT
Week 14-19 N2Guard 2 caps AM/2 caps post-workout/3 PM
Week 14-16 HCGenerate 3 caps AM/2 caps/pre-workout
Week 14-19 Nolvadex 40mg/20mg/20mg/10mg/10mg/ED
Week 14-18 Clomid 50mg/50mg/25mg/25mg/ED
Week 14-17 Aromasin 25mg/12.5mg/7.5mg/ED

PS: Cut the regular weed out. Steroids are not a joke, training is not a joke. It is a lifestyle and you need to respect it and show discipline. Smoking weed all of the time and lifting weights don't mix.

 

[Hungrt]

Hey redfield thanks for chiming in! The reason I want to do it now vs in a few years is because I know a couple of friends younger than me who have already completed cycles and everything went smoothly for them. I am not looking to do a 12 week cycle since it seems too long for me.

If I do just test prop 1-6 weeks do you think nolva and HCG will be a good pct?
I thought Dbol 30mg is a low dose, that is why i thought about incorporating it in my cycle for 2-3 weeks, thus avoiding serious sides.
Also, do those supplements work or are you being paid to include them in your reviews, they are really expensive that's why I am asking.

I am open to discussing things more if that is ok with you.

 

[Redfield11]

Hey redfield thanks for chiming in! The reason I want to do it now vs in a few years is because I know a couple of friends younger than me who have already completed cycles and everything went smoothly for them. I am not looking to do a 12 week cycle since it seems too long for me.

If I do just test prop 1-6 weeks do you think nolva and HCG will be a good pct?
I thought Dbol 30mg is a low dose, that is why i thought about incorporating it in my cycle for 2-3 weeks, thus avoiding serious sides.
Also, do those supplements work or are you being paid to include them in your reviews, they are really expensive that's why I am asking.

I am open to discussing things more if that is ok with you.

HCGenerate and N2Guard are strongly promoted on this forum. This is because they work. If you look at the nutritional information of those products then you'll see that they will do exactly what they're supposed to. And no. I am not paid for recommending them. They might be expensive, but I wouldn't wanted to put cheap sh** into my body. The most I have spent on a complete cycle is over £1,000 - that is just for the steroids, the supplements and the PCT - you get what you pay for. You pay for rubbish, you get rubbish and if you can't afford the good stuff, save your money and train naturally.

I have no idea what you expect to achieve during a 6 week cycle given your stats. I've already said that you should not be taking steroids. They're not going to do what you want them to do. You're not going to turn into Arnie after a six week cycle. You're not going to turn into Arnie after 5 year cycle. Steroids assist you in achieving your goals. They don't do it for you.

If you're not willing to put the time and effort into doing things the right way i.e. building a solid foundation of muscle naturally. Then you're doing it wrong. If you're not willing to buy everything that you need to run a proper cycle safely, then you're doing it wrong. If you're not willing to take on board the advice of people who know what they're talking about, then you're doing it wrong.

I'm not going into any more detail. I've told you my thoughts and I've got nothing else to say. You're wanting to use steroids for all the wrong reasons. You're not ready to use steroids and if you're not willing to listen to the advice, you're evidently not mature enough to use them either. Steroids aren't toys.

Train and eat religiously and you'll grow. It won't happen over night but it's worth the effort you put in - not just in the physique you'll achieve but in the discipline you'll develop.

 

[EZ_E]

Hello,
I've been researching cycling for quite a while now so I am thinking of starting my first cycle real soon. Here are the basics:


Liquid dbol- 30mg ED / week 1-3
Test Prop- 500mg per week/ 175mg EOD/ week 1-6

PCT- start 3 days after last pin
Nolva- not sure quantity and length 40mg/ED for 5 weeks?
HCG- 500 ui per week during cycle

Depending on how well the Dbol works I might just do it for 2 weeks.

Is this going to be enough PCT for such a cycle?
I don't understand how gyno works, basically is it something that is reversible at the start? Is that why you need an AI? I want to make sure I don't fuck up my body or get gyno.

Stats are 21 years old, 5'10, around 155 pounds(have no weighed myself recently). Ive been working out on/off for a while and was a lot bigger about a year ago but due to drug abuse lost a lot of gains and now I am getting back on track. I put hard drugs behind me but smoke weed regularly.I think this cycle will get me where i want to be looks/weight wise. I can post pictures if anyone is interested. Advice and opinions are welcome. Thank you.

Welcome to EF.

You say you're open to listening, please listen to this;

You are 5'10 and weigh 155 pounds. Say that out loud. Seriously say that and then ask yourself if you think you have any kind of base. AAS is not going to do shit for you @ that height & weight.

Training on and off? When this says "training hard for 2 years, then you can consider juice"

Just because "your friends" do something doesn't mean shit. If your friend got wasted and drove home but just so happened to make it without getting nailed for DUI or hitting something or somebody, would you do it?

I'm not even going to comment about the weed. C'mon dude.

Sound harsh? Years from now you will thank us.

 

[alcatraz1662]

Just trying to talk you off the ledge. I know it looks appetizing down there but hold off buddy. Try running 5-10g of creatine/day for a couple months with weight gainer powder. It's what I did in high school, holy shit. No steroid cycle has made me stronger and bigger than that did at a young age. Despite me really liking your 6 week mini cycle, not gonna recommend you to do it.

 

[Hungrt]

THank you for the advice. I never looked at it the way you put it "They might be expensive, but I wouldn't wanted to put cheap sh** into my body". I feel like you are telling me off a little bit which I understand but don't appreciate. I didnt mean to offend when I said are you getting paid to write those reviews. I believe a short cycle will help me achieve my goal, which is to get a boost and put on a extra weight+muscle. I am asking you if nolva and hcg will be enough for pct for a short cycle. I am willing to take your advice. I told my friend my cycle (test prop+dbol) and he said nolva and hcg should be enough for a short cycle. I am also lowering the amount of weed I smoke. Don't know what else to say without sounding like I am trying to explain myself cuz I'm not.

 

[EZ_E]

Nobody gets paid to post here dude. You got your advice. It's your choice if you wanna take it or run this train wreck of a cycle and damage your body.

 

[Hungrt]

Welcome to EF.

You say you're open to listening, please listen to this;

You are 5'10 and weigh 155 pounds. Say that out loud. Seriously say that and then ask yourself if you think you have any kind of base. AAS is not going to do shit for you @ that height & weight.

Training on and off? When this says "training hard for 2 years, then you can consider juice"

Just because "your friends" do something doesn't mean shit. If your friend got wasted and drove home but just so happened to make it without getting nailed for DUI or hitting something or somebody, would you do it?

I'm not even going to comment about the weed. C'mon dude.

Sound harsh? Years from now you will thank us.

You got a point with the DUI comment but thats why im on here trying to be reasonable. Im happy with my weight, my weight fluctuated a lot in the past year but i used to be a lot skinnier when i was younger and have put on a lot of weight just this past summer. probably around 25 pounds since the summer. I want the boost from AAS and Ive been reading a lot, a lot so its gonna take a while to get it out of my head. I love working out and training its just that i was doing a lot of stupid things at one point and I drifted away from what i loved.

 

[EZ_E]

You got a point with the DUI comment but thats why im on here trying to be reasonable. Im happy with my weight, my weight fluctuated a lot in the past year but i used to be a lot skinnier when i was younger and have put on a lot of weight just this past summer. probably around 25 pounds since the summer. I want the boost from AAS and Ive been reading a lot, a lot so its gonna take a while to get it out of my head. I love working out and training its just that i was doing a lot of stupid things at one point and I drifted away from what i loved.

That's all the more reason to hold off on the juice.

You're making TREMENDOUS progress on your current path. We all did stupid tings when we were young. Don't do another stupid thing now

Nice job on the weight gain, keep hitting the gym hard. Keep a strict diet, get the right amount of rest, Drop the drugs. DROP THE DRUGS.

The anabolics will be there down the road.

 

[Hungrt]

Just trying to talk you off the ledge. I know it looks appetizing down there but hold off buddy. Try running 5-10g of creatine/day for a couple months with weight gainer powder. It's what I did in high school, holy shit. No steroid cycle has made me stronger and bigger than that did at a young age. Despite me really liking your 6 week mini cycle, not gonna recommend you to do it.

Hey man thanks for the input. I am currently running creatine but I am mostly focusing on gaining strength not really trying to bulk. I am technically trying to bulk but slowly vs actively. I hope i don't sound like an idiot lol

 

[Hungrt]

Do you guys think doing a cycle of ostarine is good enough to give me the boost I am looking for?

 

[EZ_E]

Hey man thanks for the input. I am currently running creatine but I am mostly focusing on gaining strength not really trying to bulk. I am technically trying to bulk but slowly vs actively. I hope i don't sound like an idiot lol

It's all good, we were all new once. You're keeping an open mind and that's a good, smart move.

 

[gymrat827]

too young, n too skinny.


read, learn, eat & eat. than run this cycle. give it at least 15wks.

 

[Hungrt]

Decided to listen to you guys and postpone the cycle. I might give Sarms a try though. If I do i'll post my cycle and results.

 

[hurricane]

With those numbers at 21.You have so much room for natural growth.Get a proper diet and traning scedule down .You will will grow like a week.Its a marathon, not a sprint

 

[stevesmi]

bro you got to build a base before using steroids. at 155 pounds you are just too skinny. you are making a huge mistake here .. I've been helping a guy your age who fucked himself up from steroids and who can't get it up anymore and the sad thing you both could have had just as good results training natty

you have SO MUCH room to grow

go to the training and diet sections. read the stickies and get on a proper diet and workout schedule.

 

[Hungrt]

thanks for the advice steve and hurricane. you guys are right, i might be happy with my weight but i should gain a lot more weight before jumping on a cycle. I did order Ostarine and S4 though so I will give them a shot, hopefully they can help me bulk faster.

 

[Shrine1]

Since your not listening to the advice above, by continuing training and eating correctly, just make sure you have everything you need before you just start taking PEDs. you have allot of time to grow.

HCGenerate
N2Guard

 

[25homes]

Go basic test e 500mg 12 weeks jump start with dianabulk and run s4 and gw from sarms 1

 

[Hungrt]

Since your not listening to the advice above, by continuing training and eating correctly, just make sure you have everything you need before you just start taking PEDs. you have allot of time to grow.

HCGenerate
N2Guard

I am listening to the advice, i don't get what you mean... I'll definitely get some pct for the PEDs though.

 

[Hungrt]

Go basic test e 500mg 12 weeks jump start with dianabulk and run s4 and gw from sarms 1

decided to give it some time before i jump on real gear. i think after gaining at least 20 more pounds i might reconsider. regardless, i would still do my original cycle of 1-6 weeks test prop and 1-3 week dbol.

 

[RickRock13]

Just to mimic what others have said, you really shouldn't be using any AAS at this point. You really need to build a much better natural foundation and be quite a few years older before considering it. Get down a good diet and training routine, and add in the right supplements like whey protein and creatine, and you can make a dramatic difference in yourself. This is a marathon and not a sprint, and you have your whole life ahead of you

 

[Hungrt]

Just to mimic what others have said, you really shouldn't be using any AAS at this point. You really need to build a much better natural foundation and be quite a few years older before considering it. Get down a good diet and training routine, and add in the right supplements like whey protein and creatine, and you can make a dramatic difference in yourself. This is a marathon and not a sprint, and you have your whole life ahead of you

got you. the marathon not a sprint thing really had me thinking, never really looked at it that way.

 

[dylangemelli]

That's all the more reason to hold off on the juice.

You're making TREMENDOUS progress on your current path. We all did stupid tings when we were young. Don't do another stupid thing now

Nice job on the weight gain, keep hitting the gym hard. Keep a strict diet, get the right amount of rest, Drop the drugs. DROP THE DRUGS.

The anabolics will be there down the road.

very well said brother...

listen to ez on this man... not only are you so young, but your very undersized and you have no idea the capabilities you have of natural gains... there are so many natural supplements you can take to help growth etc... i can help you with all of this, you just let me know... i would MUCH prefer to see you safe and do things right and ensure health and longevity man

 

[meathead96]

Stay natty and train hard and consistently for a few years with a solid diet, acquire a good base and then think about cycling. These other guys are giving you good advice. Look into creatine, n2slin, whey, n2bm GEAR, and some things like that in the meantime but make sure your diet is number one.