first cycle.....need anti-e's & pct.

[ElMatador]

DO NOT wait 15 days to start Clomid coming off of a Dbol only cycle. Start Clomid about half a day after your last dose of Dbol.

Bro...it is to short period... he should wait 7 days at least...

 

[pentatonic]

Bro...it is to short period... he should wait 7 days at least...

Please explain why he should wait that long before using Clomid when using a short half life drug such as Dbol. It will be completely out of his system within the first day, that's why I say start taking it about a half a day after last dose. If he waited 15 days, or even 7, that's how long his body is going to be trying to recover from the shutdown on it's own.

 

[ElMatador]

Please explain why he should wait that long before using Clomid when using a short half life drug such as Dbol. It will be completely out of his system within the first day, that's why I say start taking it about a half a day after last dose. If he waited 15 days, or even 7, that's how long his body is going to be trying to recover from the shutdown on it's own.

I agrre with you that D-bol is a short half life drug, but he has to wait until his testosterone levels gained by D-bol decrease a little,and after that Clomid is used. And, D-bol remains in blood system even 3 weeks after the cycle with D-bol is ended.

 

[pentatonic]

I guess we just disagree.

 

[ReAlLiFe]

Thanks for all your comments.

ReAlLiFe.

 

[lefler]

I agrre with you that D-bol is a short half life drug, but he has to wait until his testosterone levels gained by D-bol decrease a little,and after that Clomid is used. And, D-bol remains in blood system even 3 weeks after the cycle with D-bol is ended.

Bro, you should NOT be giving advice! you do not know what you are talking about...lol

go to this:

http://elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327882

this is a highlight of the above:
Steroid Time after
last administration Length of
Clomid Cycle
Anadrol50/Anapolan50: 8 - 12 hours 3 weeks
Deca durabolan: 3 weeks 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours 3 weeks
Equipoise: 17 - 21 days 3 weeks
Finajet/Trenbolone: 3 days 3 weeks
Primabolan depot: 10 - 14 days 2 weeks
Sustanon: 3 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days 3 weeks
Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours 2-3 weeks
Winstrol 8 - 12 hours 2-3 weeks


please ElMatador, do not give false advice cause you might fuck someone up!

 

[lefler]

Bro,you should use some nolvadex during your cycle (anti e's) and clomid after your cycle...
So,after the 2nd week of dbol cycle you should add nolva (1-3 tabas - 10-30mg) depends on dbol quantity...when you finish your cycle,just wait 15 days and start with clomid..

oh and for your information nolva can and is used in place of clomid for pct. nolva does almost the same exact thing as clomid but is stronger mg for mg. I only use hcg and nolva pct, as do many others.

 

[Popeye1]

I can't resist......first of all, you're probably going to blow up like a balloon....with or w/o Clomid or Nolvadex during this cycle. As said above, they are estrogen antagonists...they don't prevent estrogen from being created. The estrogen will cause bloat and water retention and a host of other bad sides. IMO you're wasting your time with a Dbol only cycle. I see this all the time. Sure, you'll appear to make some gains, mostly due to water retentention. Unfortunately, you'll lose almost everything you thought you gained after the cycle...even with proper PCT. Which BTW, should be started a day after your last dose of Dbol. Dbol is not known for retaining gains post cycle. You didn't mention any doses, but Dbol for 8 weeks at any kind of an effective dose will be extermely hard on your liver.....I try to limit dbol to 6 weeks. Bottom line, again this is just my opinion, you need to eat more and more often...no cycles for now. However, if you choose to cycle, don't screw up your first cycle by doing a dbol only cycle. First cycles have the highest potential for gains if done properly. By doing a dbol only first cycle, you limit your gains on future cycles. Get some test, suck it up and do it right! You'll be glad you did.

 

[Neo22]

who eat more?

and Bluesman, what do you mean the first 7-10 days were 'ugly'?

thanks everyone for the comments, i'll be printing this out and taking it home.

ReAlLiFe.

You need to eat more. You have a ton more ability to gain naturally. YOu should not be doing any cycle being that tall and weighing 174. How long have you been training? What does your diet consist of?

 

[carapace2]

Bro, you should NOT be giving advice! you do not know what you are talking about...lol

go to this:

http://elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327882

this is a highlight of the above:
Steroid Time after
last administration Length of
Clomid Cycle
Anadrol50/Anapolan50: 8 - 12 hours 3 weeks
Deca durabolan: 3 weeks 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours 3 weeks
Equipoise: 17 - 21 days 3 weeks
Finajet/Trenbolone: 3 days 3 weeks
Primabolan depot: 10 - 14 days 2 weeks
Sustanon: 3 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days 3 weeks
Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours 2-3 weeks
Winstrol 8 - 12 hours 2-3 weeks


please ElMatador, do not give false advice cause you might fuck someone up!

This is the same guide that i have used twice....it worked great. after last cycle i only lost about 6lbs of what i gained....probably just water weight.
I like proviron when doing anything that makes me take on water....D-bol will make you fill up with water in nothing flat.
You may notice that you gain 10 lbs the first week or so...Water.
Proviron will give you a dry look. It will not only combat any aromitization, but will make your muscles rock hard and you won't look all that bloated.
One thing that you need to watch out for using clomid and nolva durring the cycle is that those compounds can limit your results while "on".
Proviron will cost you between 1 and 3 dollars a day. i take between 25 and 50 mg daily. they come in 25mg tabs.