first cycle.....need anti-e's & pct.

[ReAlLiFe]

getting some clomid for anti-e's from the sponsors here so i can start my first d-bol cycle, should i start taking after the first week even if i dont see sides or should i wait untill sides happen (if they do that is), how much per day/week?. Also need some milk thistle. What would you guys recommend for PCT and how much per day/week considering im doing d-bol only.

Thanks very much guys, and i know, embrace the needle, but im going to do an 8 week course of d-bol only, then i might consider the pin. I've stopped smoking and im eating much better, no more macdonalds (well not as often anyway).

by the way im: 6' 0", 23 years old and 12 stone 6lbs (176lbs).

Thanks for any help in advance,

ReAlLiFe.

 

[ReAlLiFe]

would noladex be ideal for PCT?

 

[ElMatador]

Bro,you should use some nolvadex during your cycle (anti e's) and clomid after your cycle...
So,after the 2nd week of dbol cycle you should add nolva (1-3 tabas - 10-30mg) depends on dbol quantity...when you finish your cycle,just wait 15 days and start with clomid..

 

[ReAlLiFe]

NICE ONE, thanks very much.............thats all i wanted to know.

ReAlLiFe.

 

[Qphoton]

you chose the red pill.....welcome to the real world.....steroid world i call it " the truth behind the truth world "..hi bro
You didn't tell what is your d-bol cycle looks like. Anyhow I have it my own way, I am always using proviron during my cycles instead of nolva as an anti-e's but in rare cycles I combine both becouse of :

Proviron is an estrogen antagonist which prevents the aromatization of steroids
Unlike the antiestrogen Nolva which only blocks the estrogen receptors

Proviron strongly suppresses the forming of estrogens so no rebound effect may occur after discontinuation of use of the compound as is the case with, for example, Nolva where an aromatization of the steroids is not prevented. One can say that Proviron cures the problem of aromatization at its root while Nolva simply cures the symptoms

so to guarantee there is no bad effect could happen you may combine Proviron with Nolva 25 mg Proviron/day and 10 mg Nolva/day) this will lead to an almost complete suppression of estrogen but in your case i would use just proviron from the beginning without waiting to see the sides and keeping Nolva with Clomid for the PCT, which I guess is enough for your PCT

* only in cases of Oral AAS usage, you can start your PCT directly after ending your cycles rather than injectables so, why he have to wait for two weeks....To elmatador

* Dosage for PCT elements may vary depends on your AAS cycle dosage/contents

good luck to all.......By the way I am still learning

 

[ReAlLiFe]

nice info, thanks.

My d-bol cycle will be 20mg - 25mg per day. The d-bols are thai pinkys. (hexagon shape).

thanks again, and i'll look up proviron.

ReAlLiFe.

 

[pentatonic]

Bro,you should use some nolvadex during your cycle (anti e's) and clomid after your cycle...
So,after the 2nd week of dbol cycle you should add nolva (1-3 tabas - 10-30mg) depends on dbol quantity...when you finish your cycle,just wait 15 days and start with clomid..

DO NOT wait 15 days to start Clomid coming off of a Dbol only cycle. Start Clomid about half a day after your last dose of Dbol.

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

I used Proviron mid-cycle (I really don't think it did much) and Nolva only for PCT - I bounced back in about 7-10 days (But it was an ugly 7-10 days, espcially the first few) and held 12 of 15 pounds gained one month after the end of the cycle. (so far).

Good luck,


Bluesman

 

[Neo22]

If I were you I would eat more before I decided to do anything. Good luck though.

 

[ReAlLiFe]

who eat more?

and Bluesman, what do you mean the first 7-10 days were 'ugly'?

thanks everyone for the comments, i'll be printing this out and taking it home.

ReAlLiFe.

 

[ElMatador]

DO NOT wait 15 days to start Clomid coming off of a Dbol only cycle. Start Clomid about half a day after your last dose of Dbol.

Bro...it is to short period... he should wait 7 days at least...

 

[pentatonic]

Bro...it is to short period... he should wait 7 days at least...

Please explain why he should wait that long before using Clomid when using a short half life drug such as Dbol. It will be completely out of his system within the first day, that's why I say start taking it about a half a day after last dose. If he waited 15 days, or even 7, that's how long his body is going to be trying to recover from the shutdown on it's own.

 

[ElMatador]

Please explain why he should wait that long before using Clomid when using a short half life drug such as Dbol. It will be completely out of his system within the first day, that's why I say start taking it about a half a day after last dose. If he waited 15 days, or even 7, that's how long his body is going to be trying to recover from the shutdown on it's own.

I agrre with you that D-bol is a short half life drug, but he has to wait until his testosterone levels gained by D-bol decrease a little,and after that Clomid is used. And, D-bol remains in blood system even 3 weeks after the cycle with D-bol is ended.

 

[pentatonic]

I guess we just disagree.

 

[ReAlLiFe]

Thanks for all your comments.

ReAlLiFe.

 

[lefler]

I agrre with you that D-bol is a short half life drug, but he has to wait until his testosterone levels gained by D-bol decrease a little,and after that Clomid is used. And, D-bol remains in blood system even 3 weeks after the cycle with D-bol is ended.

Bro, you should NOT be giving advice! you do not know what you are talking about...lol

go to this:

http://elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327882

this is a highlight of the above:
Steroid Time after
last administration Length of
Clomid Cycle
Anadrol50/Anapolan50: 8 - 12 hours 3 weeks
Deca durabolan: 3 weeks 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours 3 weeks
Equipoise: 17 - 21 days 3 weeks
Finajet/Trenbolone: 3 days 3 weeks
Primabolan depot: 10 - 14 days 2 weeks
Sustanon: 3 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days 3 weeks
Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours 2-3 weeks
Winstrol 8 - 12 hours 2-3 weeks


please ElMatador, do not give false advice cause you might fuck someone up!

 

[lefler]

Bro,you should use some nolvadex during your cycle (anti e's) and clomid after your cycle...
So,after the 2nd week of dbol cycle you should add nolva (1-3 tabas - 10-30mg) depends on dbol quantity...when you finish your cycle,just wait 15 days and start with clomid..

oh and for your information nolva can and is used in place of clomid for pct. nolva does almost the same exact thing as clomid but is stronger mg for mg. I only use hcg and nolva pct, as do many others.

 

[Popeye1]

I can't resist......first of all, you're probably going to blow up like a balloon....with or w/o Clomid or Nolvadex during this cycle. As said above, they are estrogen antagonists...they don't prevent estrogen from being created. The estrogen will cause bloat and water retention and a host of other bad sides. IMO you're wasting your time with a Dbol only cycle. I see this all the time. Sure, you'll appear to make some gains, mostly due to water retentention. Unfortunately, you'll lose almost everything you thought you gained after the cycle...even with proper PCT. Which BTW, should be started a day after your last dose of Dbol. Dbol is not known for retaining gains post cycle. You didn't mention any doses, but Dbol for 8 weeks at any kind of an effective dose will be extermely hard on your liver.....I try to limit dbol to 6 weeks. Bottom line, again this is just my opinion, you need to eat more and more often...no cycles for now. However, if you choose to cycle, don't screw up your first cycle by doing a dbol only cycle. First cycles have the highest potential for gains if done properly. By doing a dbol only first cycle, you limit your gains on future cycles. Get some test, suck it up and do it right! You'll be glad you did.

 

[Neo22]

who eat more?

and Bluesman, what do you mean the first 7-10 days were 'ugly'?

thanks everyone for the comments, i'll be printing this out and taking it home.

ReAlLiFe.

You need to eat more. You have a ton more ability to gain naturally. YOu should not be doing any cycle being that tall and weighing 174. How long have you been training? What does your diet consist of?

 

[carapace2]

Bro, you should NOT be giving advice! you do not know what you are talking about...lol

go to this:

http://elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327882

this is a highlight of the above:
Steroid Time after
last administration Length of
Clomid Cycle
Anadrol50/Anapolan50: 8 - 12 hours 3 weeks
Deca durabolan: 3 weeks 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours 3 weeks
Equipoise: 17 - 21 days 3 weeks
Finajet/Trenbolone: 3 days 3 weeks
Primabolan depot: 10 - 14 days 2 weeks
Sustanon: 3 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days 3 weeks
Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours 2-3 weeks
Winstrol 8 - 12 hours 2-3 weeks


please ElMatador, do not give false advice cause you might fuck someone up!

This is the same guide that i have used twice....it worked great. after last cycle i only lost about 6lbs of what i gained....probably just water weight.
I like proviron when doing anything that makes me take on water....D-bol will make you fill up with water in nothing flat.
You may notice that you gain 10 lbs the first week or so...Water.
Proviron will give you a dry look. It will not only combat any aromitization, but will make your muscles rock hard and you won't look all that bloated.
One thing that you need to watch out for using clomid and nolva durring the cycle is that those compounds can limit your results while "on".
Proviron will cost you between 1 and 3 dollars a day. i take between 25 and 50 mg daily. they come in 25mg tabs.

 

[galawman]

I would start the pct.clomid the night after your last dose of bol,also you should or could run nolva during your cycle to help with gyno,water gains etc,so listen to established bros like lefler and dont take advise from just anyone but first off you should be the one doing the research on what to take,The internet is a worldwind of info on PCT>,clomid,nolva,adex.femara and each and every other drug you could think about,expecially dbol,Just get on some boards and read,reading is knowlwdge,so you can make your own determination on what and how to take AAS.